IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-02-27
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[[irc]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=5196 * Steve Ganz * (+41) People on irc -
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hello!
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=5197 * Tantek * (+436) added lazyweb request to add microformats to Yahoo Web Libraries
- [01:42:59] <imajes>
hey tantek
- [01:43:02] <imajes>
\you about?
- [01:44:00] <tantek>
hey imajes
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how are you doing
- [01:44:11] <tantek>
welcome to #microformats :)
- [01:44:27] * tantek is cramming superbusy for W3C, ETech, SXSW, Mix06
- [01:44:36] <imajes>
sounds familiar
- [01:44:40] <tantek>
and can use some help with adding hCard and other microformats to some conference pages
- [01:45:22] <imajes>
oh?
- [01:45:53] <tantek>
yes, see http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats#To_Do
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats * Tantek * (+7004) created / drafted from my plain text notes
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=5198 * Tantek * (+87) add link to Microformats SXSW interactive event page.
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- [04:43:06] <tantek>
good evening folks
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how many here have tried marking up existing content in hCard or hCalendar and found themselves stumped with what pieces of information to markup as what properties?
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=5199 * Tantek * (-2) hCalendar/hCard/hReview editor -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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kingryan is ryan king
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- [06:02:40] <tantek>
welcome back kingryan!
- [06:28:09] <kingryan>
hey tantek
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[[hcard-authoring]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring * Tantek * (+5706) first draft from plain text notes taken while marking up W3C and ETech event related pages.
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[[use]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=use&diff=0&oldid=5200 * Tantek * (+154) added link to hcard-authoring
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=5201 * Tantek * (+14) minor tweaks
- [06:41:34] <tantek>
Ryan, the experience of marking up W3C TP Agenda and some ETech pages with hCard/hCalendar, and iterating with RobertBachmann made me realize how much of the "rules of thumb" of marking things up as hCards and hCalendar events are not well documented. So I took some notes and wrote up the first draft of hcard-authoring. Take a look, and see if you can add any additional tips/guidelines you've learned from experience: http
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[[hcard-authoring]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=5202 * Tantek * (+223)
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waglo is a supybot - ~[list|help] for more info. and also belong to oqp
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[[hcard-authoring]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=5203 * Tantek * (+1830) duh. add tips for names and urls. how easy it is to forget the obvious.
- [07:28:42] * tantek wonders what kingryan's most recent two blog posts would have looked like as reviews. 1 out of 5 perhaps? ;)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [07:32:45] <kingryan>
tantek, didn't really think of them as reviews
- [07:35:43] <tantek>
certainly read like good critical reviews to me, but perhaps that's just the headspace i'm in
- [07:36:12] <kingryan>
well, the iTMS one wasn't really about iTMS, it was about how I prefer to buy music
- [07:36:22] <kingryan>
no objective statements about iTMS
- [07:38:00] <tantek>
true. that was more of a criticism/comparative review of the packaging/distribution mechanisms.
- [07:38:10] <tantek>
one which I happen to strongly agree with.
- [07:38:55] <tantek>
knowing how easily bits rot and computers break, i have pretty much zero confidence in any kind of DRM'd media/content, even as "lightweight" the DRM is of iTMS music
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karlUshi is karlcow
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rav- is Serdar Kilic and blogging at http://weblog.kilic.net/
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[[events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5204 * Tantek * (+225) added attending section
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5205 * Tantek * (+26) add some more known SXSW attending folks
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[[events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5206 * Tantek * (+14)
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[[events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5207 * Tantek * (+172)
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[[events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-01-w3c-plenary-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5208 * Tantek * (+140)
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5209 * Tantek * (+49)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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- [09:40:48] <DanC_lap>
er... help?! I installed the update to http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html that tantek sent me, but it doesn't seem to to work with the technorati event feed service
- [09:41:13] <tantek>
hi DanC
- [09:41:24] <DanC_lap>
hi
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- [09:41:48] <DanC_lap>
$ wget -O - http://feeds.technorati.com/events/http%2f//www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html
- [09:41:48] <DanC_lap>
shows no events
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- [09:42:22] * DanC_lap tries grddl service...
- [09:42:25] <tantek>
hmm...
- [09:42:36] <tantek>
DanC, try X2V hosted a suda.co.uk
- [09:44:29] <DanC_lap>
rohit just arrived...
- [09:44:48] <DanC_lap>
rohit says "go to the airport"
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- [09:58:47] <jibot>
andyhume is Andrew D. Hume and blogs at http://thedredge.org/ and has a wonderful use of hCards for commenters (see http://thedredge.org/2005/06/using-hcards-in-your-blog/ for details)
- [09:59:23] <DanC_lap>
yes, tantek, X2V works. I wonder what's up with the technorati service
- [09:59:42] <tantek>
X2V contains a bunch of relatively new fixes and updates
- [09:59:59] <DanC_lap>
I wonder which one is relevant here.
- [10:00:01] <tantek>
it's more of a "latest build" sort of thing
- [10:00:24] <tantek>
we'll be updating the feeds.technorati.com deploy shortly (sometime in the next 24 hours)
- [10:00:52] <tantek>
oh wait, what calendar program are you consuming the .ics with?
- [10:01:16] <tantek>
n.m. i just saw you ref to wget
- [10:01:22] * DanC_lap is always thinking about a test suite
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- [10:06:38] <tantek>
DanC, I just tried http://feeds.technorati.com/events/http://tantek.com/microformats/2006/03-01-TechPlenAgenda.html and it worked *no problem*
- [10:09:35] <tantek>
and now I just tried http://feeds.technorati.com/events/http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html and it worked just fine
- [10:09:35] <DanC_lap>
er... it could be w3.org mirror wierdness... er... no, I checked, and all the mirrors are in sync on this page
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- [10:09:54] <DanC_lap>
ok, must have been a slowly-committing-transaction issue
- [10:10:07] <tantek>
can you retry?
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- [10:10:34] <tantek>
(and don't forget to try the hCards as well :) )
- [10:11:36] <DanC_lap>
retrying... still losing.
- [10:11:45] <DanC_lap>
$ wget -O - http://feeds.technorati.com/events/http://www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.html
- [10:11:55] <DanC_lap>
er... maybe I need to %xxlify the colon...
- [10:12:41] <DanC_lap>
that doesn't work either. maybe the address I'm using is just bogus; it's not the one you get from the form; it's something I got from your weblog
- [10:13:25] <tantek>
perhaps your wget is mishandling the headers that are returned?
- [10:13:38] <tantek>
try it from a browser, like Safari or Firefox
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- [10:14:33] <DanC_lap>
I don't think it's anything like that. I get icalendar back; it just doesn't have any events in it.
- [10:14:33] <DanC_lap>
BEGIN:VCALENDARPRODID:-//suda.co.uk//X2V 0.7.1 (BETA)//ENX-ORIGINAL-URL: http//www.w3.org/2006/03/01-TechPlenAgenda.htmlX-WR-CALNAME: VERSION:2.0END:VCALENDAR
- [10:14:47] <DanC_lap>
your weblog points to webcal://feeds.technorati.com/events/http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2Flog%2F
- [10:16:08] <DanC_lap>
ah... I was doing the %xlifying wrong. this works:
- [10:16:08] <DanC_lap>
$ wget -O - http://feeds.technorati.com/events/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F03%2F01-TechPlenAgenda.html
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- [10:24:22] <tantek>
good to hear DanC
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ping
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DanC, did you get that?
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karlUshi is karlcow
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DanC, note
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assuming Steve Bratt's edits are already live on the site, both hCards and hCalendar events are still fine
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yes, it looks like the hCard stuff survived steve's edits. whew.
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[hcalendar-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=5213 * Tantek * (+2314) resolved a *ton* of hCalendar issues, including recent crop from Mansour.
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5218 * Brian * (+33) Attending -
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
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greetings
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good morning robert
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morning tantek, evening in my case ;-)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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indeed ;)
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I've just posted to uf-discuss regarding hAtom 0.1
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5219 * RyanKing * (+12) Attending -
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bewest is a student and has nebulous employment and owns siliconllama.com
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[[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5220 * RyanKing * (-12) Attending -
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hey Robert, do you have some time to add more hCards to the ETech pages?
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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bewest is a student and has nebulous employment and owns siliconllama.com
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Tantek, <http://rbach.priv.at/repos/misc/microformatting/ETech2006/hotel.html>. I need to add "USA" to Vivian V. Russell Travel Services
- [21:27:37] <RobertBachmann>
needed*
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- [22:04:26] <tantek>
Robert, when you've hCarded one of the pages, go ahead and move it to the section below with the other hCarded pages on the ETech event wiki page, and paste in the link to your version (similar to the first two we did). I'm going to be offline for a bit, so I won't be able to monitor IRC, but I'll check the wiki when I get back on to see which pages you've marked up, and which remain to be. http://microformats.org/wiki/ev
- [22:04:59] <RobertBachmann>
ok
- [22:05:44] <RobertBachmann>
one question ... <a href="http://www.adobe.com/" class="url fn org"><img src="http://conferences.oreillynet.com/images/logos/adobe_logo.gif" alt="Adobe Systems, Inc." width="65" height="75" vspace="8" border="0" /></a>
- [22:05:44] <RobertBachmann>
should work?
- [22:06:05] <kingryan>
should
- [22:06:12] <tantek>
yes, as long as there is a <span class="vcard"> around it
- [22:06:14] <kingryan>
you could also put the fn on the img
- [22:06:32] <tantek>
yeah, put the fn and org on the <img/> that should work better
- [22:06:50] <tantek>
plus, might as well put class name "logo" on the <img/> as well
- [22:06:59] <tantek>
it is adobe_logo.gif after all. ;)
- [22:08:58] <RobertBachmann>
yes. The problem is ... it doesn't work with x2v
- [22:10:46] <tantek>
what doesn't work?
- [22:12:43] <RobertBachmann>
the extraction of FN and ORG
- [22:13:16] <RobertBachmann>
http://rbach.priv.at/repos/misc/microformatting/ETech2006/x2v-bug-2006-02-27.html and http://rbach.priv.at/repos/misc/microformatting/ETech2006/x2v-bug-2006-02-27.vcard
- [22:16:44] <tantek>
so <img class="fn org" alt="Adobe" /> doesn't work?
- [22:20:47] <tantek>
Robert, I have to run, could you please email Brian Suda about that? I'm sure he can fix it in like 5 seconds.
- [22:21:13] <tantek>
feel free to send the email to microformats-dev if you want to archive it, he'll get it there too
- [22:21:51] <RobertBachmann>
doesn't work either, http://rbach.priv.at/repos/misc/microformatting/ETech2006/x2v-bug-2006-02-27-a.html and http://rbach.priv.at/repos/misc/microformatting/ETech2006/x2v-bug-2006-02-27-a.vcard
- [22:22:19] <RobertBachmann>
I'll contact Brian Suda.
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5227 * RobertBachmann * (+225) To Do -
- [22:40:22] <tantek>
Robert, keep marking up the hCards with the assumption that such bugs will get fixed.
- [22:40:27] <tantek>
thanks.
- [22:41:30] <tantek>
ok, kids, see you when I get to +0100.
- [22:42:56] <RobertBachmann>
goodspeed
- [22:43:03] <RobertBachmann>
godspeed
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- [22:48:51] <kingryan>
see ya in a couple weeks, tantek :D
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