IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-15

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  3. [00:22:10] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  12. [01:10:18] <mfbot> [[greasemonkey]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey&diff=0&oldid=5399 * DrErnie * (+47) Setup -
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  14. [01:12:41] <mfbot> [[greasemonkey]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=greasemonkey&diff=0&oldid=5401 * DrErnie * (+0) Posts and Articles - crud
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  17. [01:30:18] <karlUshi> slightly related to this community - http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-rdfa-primer-20060310/
  18. [01:30:28] <karlUshi> as I believe in cross-polinization
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  21. [01:37:04] <C9> you know, its a sad thought when I think about all my sexual-eske content in writing about Isaac hayes quitting SP and think of how much porn traffic might get diverted to me.
  22. [01:38:22] * karlUshi is still trying to get the meaning of the sentence :)))
  23. [01:38:38] <C9> ;_; *cackle*
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  35. [03:11:25] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5402 * GlennTwiggs * (+41) Add myself (Glenn Twiggs) to attendee list.
  36. [03:11:51] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5403 * GlennTwiggs * (-5)
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  43. [03:46:21] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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  72. [09:11:46] <jibot> limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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  74. [09:27:28] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5404 * Eeee * (+189865)
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  84. [11:15:02] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  105. [15:08:10] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  118. [16:26:17] <Atamido> How was SXSW Interactive?
  119. [16:34:43] <DanC_lap> awesome.
  120. [16:34:58] <DanC_lap> have you seen http://austin.adactio.com/ ? pretty cool.
  121. [16:35:08] <DanC_lap> see also http://del.icio.us/connolly/sxsw
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  124. [16:39:56] * Atamido waves to dbaron from #css. :)
  125. [16:41:31] * dbaron remembers what workshop that is
  126. [16:41:38] <Atamido> DanC_lap: Thanks.
  127. [16:41:38] * dbaron waves back
  128. [16:41:59] <Atamido> It's all about the irc://moznet/css
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  130. [16:48:52] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
  131. [16:51:17] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Eeee" with an expiry time of infinite: vandal
  132. [16:51:43] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5405 * Tantek * (-189865) revert
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  134. [16:52:47] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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  139. [17:28:22] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  152. [18:32:29] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
  153. [18:35:33] <amanuel> in xoxo the class="xoxo" is optional?
  154. [18:36:09] <amanuel> xoxo then is what? ordered and unordered lists?
  155. [18:36:22] <amanuel> why bother?
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  158. [18:37:32] <amanuel> I am finding xoxo a little too...uhmm free lovin'
  159. [18:37:39] <amanuel> no rules
  160. [18:38:02] <TantekC> not quite
  161. [18:38:21] <amanuel> if class="xoxo" is optional then all ul and ol are xoxo
  162. [18:38:23] <TantekC> e.g. only the first <dl> inside a <li> sets the properties for that <li>
  163. [18:38:34] <TantekC> amanuel, exactly!
  164. [18:38:41] <TantekC> all ul/ol can be treated as XOXO
  165. [18:38:44] <TantekC> that's the point!
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  167. [18:38:47] <factoryjoe> exactly
  168. [18:38:53] <amanuel> too free lovin'
  169. [18:38:54] <factoryjoe> which is why theres so much more xoxo than opml
  170. [18:38:56] <amanuel> :)
  171. [18:39:43] <amanuel> so the tails extension can't really ever detect xoxo cause any list could be xoxo
  172. [18:40:56] <amanuel> xfolkentry makes it clear that that link has something special about it.
  173. [18:41:23] <amanuel> if all lists are xoxo then why bother calling them xoxo?
  174. [18:42:09] <amanuel> hence microformatted content. am I missing something?
  175. [18:43:38] <amanuel> in the brainstorming the idea of having class="xoxo blogroll" opens an endless set of sub rules that could be created...true, but at least parsers have something to chew on.
  176. [18:44:03] <amanuel> http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-brainstorming
  177. [18:47:18] <amanuel> TantekC: from parsing and extracting view point, isn't the idea of microformatting a way of embedding additional info that allows parsers to learn something more about the content? I can't see how that can happen if any list can be xoxo.
  178. [18:49:41] <amanuel> hi factoryjoe you at sxsw?
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  180. [18:49:58] <amanuel> :(
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  182. [18:58:55] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  190. [19:13:57] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: 01:00)
  191. [19:25:57] <dglazkov> amanuel, think of XOXO as flour, not cake.
  192. [19:26:43] <amanuel> hmm some cakes have no flour ;)
  193. [19:26:57] <dglazkov> and that's ok.
  194. [19:27:24] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5406 * Aspendos@msn.com * (+43743)
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  196. [19:28:23] <amanuel> in the end one just is left with making simple properly formatted ul ol's that technically can be seen as xoxo
  197. [19:28:26] <dglazkov> ayiee!! RobertBachmann -- quick, the wiki's being spammed
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  199. [19:28:55] <amanuel> LOL
  200. [19:28:56] <dglazkov> amanuel: you got it!
  201. [19:30:12] <amanuel> I was hoping for xoxo to be like xfolk
  202. [19:30:28] <amanuel> I wanted to use xoxo to organize xfolkentries
  203. [19:30:57] <amanuel> but I guess I already am doing that since they are in a ol
  204. [19:31:09] <dglazkov> yup.
  205. [19:31:27] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=5408 * RobertBachmann * (-43743) Reverted edit of Aspendos@msn.com, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  207. [19:31:33] <amanuel> well check that puppy off the to do list.
  208. [19:31:59] <amanuel> I'll use class="xoxo" for others benefit.
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  224. [20:43:55] <Atamido> amanuel: I'm with you on this one.
  225. [20:45:13] <Atamido> One of the primary benefits of microformats is machine parsability, and if it can't be detected, then it can't be parsed.
  226. [20:46:02] <Atamido> Only a small portion of OL and UL can be considered XOXO.
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  263. [23:34:54] <amanuel> Atamido: thanks for agreeing I am scratching my head why they bothered to define xoxo. We should have said "BTW: use ol and ul for making lists"
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  268. [23:41:28] <KevinMarks> well, there is the <dl> aspect too
  269. [23:42:10] <bewest> <dl> doesn't get the respect it should, methinks
  270. [23:42:16] <bewest> always left out in the cold, seemingly
  271. [23:43:46] <amanuel> KevinMarks: the issue I am having with xoxo is in a world where ul are being used from menus to layout parsers are left with more work
  272. [23:44:01] <amanuel> if class=xoxo is required problem is solved
  273. [23:44:12] <KevinMarks> well, evangelise that then...
  274. [23:44:24] <KevinMarks> depends how postelian you are feeling in your parser
  275. [23:45:38] <amanuel> I was hoping to have the same feel to xoxo as we do with xfolk
  276. [23:46:42] <amanuel> you know a link is xfolk with no room for gray areas.
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  278. [23:52:18] <KevinMarks> so should I add an 'only if class is xoxo' option to the xoxo parsers?
  279. [23:52:40] <KevinMarks> AFAIK the generator code puts that in
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