IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-05-12
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- [00:08:06] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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- [00:24:14] <briansuda>
anyone around want to talk FAQs? and/or design patterns?
- [00:24:56] <briansuda>
I've been going through the mailing list archives and attempting to bring the Wiki up to par.
- [00:25:12] <briansuda>
i think i have found 3 candidates for Design patterns.
- [00:25:45] <briansuda>
1) Table Axis/Id pattern - it is pretty similar to the object include pattern, but with tables instead of the object element
- [00:26:24] <briansuda>
2) ID attribute as an anchor selector. hCard and hCalendar both allow you to specify a URL fragment to extract foo.htm#bar
- [00:26:48] <briansuda>
3) xml:lang="" attribute for specifying the language of the content
- [00:27:40] <briansuda>
any thoughts? #1 i certainly think should be, #2-3 are seeking some affermation
- [00:29:06] <pnhChris>
i have a question on how well 2 actually works in the real world ... see my rambling post on hatom earlier this week
- [00:30:21] <briansuda>
pnhChris, i think i missed it? was it on the mailing list or a blog post?
- [00:30:26] <pnhChris>
list
- [00:30:33] <pnhChris>
re: multiple feeds in a page
- [00:30:42] * briansuda is looking
- [00:31:13] <pnhChris>
though hatom may be a bit different the hcard and haclendar where existing consuming apps tend to deal with feeds on a 1:1 basis
- [00:31:22] <tantek>
briansuda, on Table/Axis/id - I don't think that is a pattern, as much as just another parsing rule for microformats.
- [00:31:40] <briansuda>
is it any different than include?
- [00:31:43] <tantek>
feel free to add a to-do for me to add that to hcard-parsing to start with
- [00:31:44] <tantek>
yes
- [00:31:57] <tantek>
include is a whole new construct that is *adding* new semantics to XHTML
- [00:32:16] <tantek>
whereas Table/Axis/Headers/ID is imply using XHTML the way it is supposed to be used
- [00:32:24] <tantek>
so it is not a new pattern at all
- [00:32:28] <briansuda>
i'll agree to that.
- [00:32:40] <briansuda>
So then xml:lang isn't really a pattern then either.
- [00:32:45] <tantek>
thus it really should just be documented as part of hcard-parsing (and later abstracted to generic microformat-parsing)
- [00:32:48] <tantek>
correct
- [00:32:53] <tantek>
nevermind xml:lang
- [00:32:58] <tantek>
just use "lang" attribute
- [00:33:07] <tantek>
which is valid HTML4, valid XHTML 1.0 and maximally compatible
- [00:33:13] <briansuda>
i think that is depricated in XHTML
- [00:33:17] <tantek>
no
- [00:33:40] <tantek>
only XHTML 1.1 - which no one can practically correctly use anyway due to its requirement of application/xhtml+xml
- [00:33:47] <tantek>
nevermind XHTML 1.1
- [00:34:36] <briansuda>
OK, well do you have a sec for a couple of FAQs that were never resolved?
- [00:35:23] <tantek>
briansuda, regarding 2), ID attribute, it is already documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#URL_handling
- [00:36:17] <briansuda>
yes, but i was wondering if it should be extracted to a more general case (i was thinking design pattern, but that is incorrect)
- [00:36:18] <tantek>
go ahead with the FAQs to resolve...
- [00:36:39] <tantek>
there are a *ton* of things in hcard-parsing that i need to extract to a more general case
- [00:37:06] <briansuda>
there as never a long thread about deceased date in hCard - there was never a good answer
- [00:37:21] <tantek>
my plan there is to write hcalendar-parsing to describe what we figured out for x2v, and then abstract common aspects between that and hcard-parsing into a microformats-parsing document
- [00:37:33] <briansuda>
some though vevent, others dtend, etc... nothing clear was decieded except it was not a good idea.
- [00:37:49] <tantek>
the answer to the deceased date problem lies in the space of biography and genealogy formats
- [00:38:07] <briansuda>
ok.... IM accounts in hCards
- [00:38:59] <tantek>
mostly solved. see: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#New_Types_of_Contact_Info
- [00:39:50] <briansuda>
should i include those two FAQs with links? or just skip some/all
- [00:39:56] <tantek>
yes
- [00:40:06] <tantek>
include with links
- [00:40:33] <tantek>
part of the problem a lot of us have realized with the wiki is that the answers are there, but sometimes they are hard to find, thus more places to find the stuff that link to the answer is better
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- [00:40:50] <briansuda>
ok. Those were the big two, the others all had some sort of answer. i'll start adding them to the faq-pages
- [00:41:19] <tantek>
awesome. i look forward to seeing the diffs.
- [00:42:10] <briansuda>
tonight won't be the final round... i keep finding MORE and MORE!
- [00:44:36] <briansuda>
pnhChris, i see no one responded to your thread. I don't use hAtom as much as i should so i can't really help with all the possible issues. I do know hCalendar potentially suffers from the same thing, except i think a single .ics file with multiple calendars is valid, whereas i don't think that is the case with .atom
- [00:45:27] <tantek>
MORE and MORE is fine ... incremental iteration is the way to be constantly productive
- [00:46:19] <tantek>
pnhChris, you may want to include an ID attribute on each hfeed element so that you can individually target them for transformation, just like X2V works with hCards and hCalendar events with IDs
- [00:46:43] <briansuda>
agreed tantek, i just thought i would have gotten futher than i did, but there were alot more emails to wade through than suspected...
- [00:46:53] <pnhChris>
yeah.. i didn't hit any snags with stuff i'm doing.. nor really have a case for a page with more then 1 feed right now.. just sort of a wandering question on my mind... particularly as the ability to consume moves out into more and more apps
- [00:47:26] <pnhChris>
right.. i dont' see it as much as a matter of being able to do it in the markup
- [00:47:47] <tantek>
the point is, that putting in those IDs may help the consumers and apps
- [00:47:52] <pnhChris>
just that i don't see any apps built to allow you to select from multiple items at a given URL
- [00:48:14] <pnhChris>
... both desktop apps and non
- [00:48:19] <tantek>
not yet
- [00:48:30] <tantek>
but the ids will enable those apps to be built
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- [00:50:45] <pnhChris>
maybe, just wondering if its asking too much of apps that could otherwise be easily retrofitted if there was only 1 feed per page.. or if to avoid those problems ids and class="hfeed" need to be looked at as required
- [00:53:08] <pnhChris>
but as i posted maybe its just my lack of imagination getting in the way.. I can see how one might consume multiple hcards and import them all at once.. but I can't see how NNW might consume a url with 3 hfeeds in it
- [00:55:25] <pnhChris>
or consume a url with a document wide hfeed (no id or class) and then one day the feed HTML changes and there feed now has an explicit fragment.. is that the same feed? should it just assume it is? what if instead of 1 it jumps to 2?
- [00:55:56] <pnhChris>
doesn't seem as easy as hcards or hcalendar which get consumed once.. not without any rules worked out ahead of time
- [00:57:17] <pnhChris>
its probably worth slapping together some simple test cases.. .though I won't have time until at least the middle of next week
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- [00:57:54] <pnhChris>
work them into a test suite, or otherwise use to clear up anything in question
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- [01:00:40] <mfbot>
[[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=6328 * Brian * (+830) added a few more FAQs
- [01:00:57] <tantek>
pnhChris, yes, test cases for hAtom would be excelllent
- [01:01:13] <tantek>
probably want to start by just documenting a few you think of at http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom-examples
- [01:01:14] <briansuda>
i'm not pleased with #26, it was a question from the list and i can't seem to find an answer for anywhere that is already documented. I also don't think that list is complete
- [01:04:21] <pnhChris>
i'll look that page over again, but I think its fairly complete in terms of the content of the feeds
- [01:05:37] <pnhChris>
its the defining where a feed is / choosing between part that I'd be looking to address
- [01:05:56] <mfbot>
[[press]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=6329 * Tantek * (+406) added Phil Haack's article on DevSource
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[[press]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=6330 * Tantek * (+17)
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- [01:09:57] <tantek>
brian, #26 is answered by the spec
- [01:10:57] <tantek>
hmmm... thought it was
- [01:11:09] <tantek>
the short answer is, if multiple values aren't explicitly forbidden, then they are allowed
- [01:11:20] <briansuda>
there was a discussion about 'can there be multiple photos' which was never really settled
- [01:11:26] <tantek>
the answer is yes
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- [01:11:53] <tantek>
the only challenge is how many of the multiple properties do vcard implementations properly support - but that is a different question
- [01:13:14] <briansuda>
so should i replace my list with your short answer, would that be better?
- [01:14:49] <mfbot>
[[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=6331 * Tantek * (+85)
- [01:15:00] <tantek>
i took a shot at iterating
- [01:16:11] <briansuda>
not a prob, i am getting some hCalendar ones in right now.
- [01:16:37] <tantek>
awesome
- [01:19:10] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=6332 * Brian * (-312) Added 20-23 FAQs
- [01:20:22] <briansuda>
OK, i have a few general FAQs as well, but i'm not sure they should go in the /wiki/faq page?
- [01:20:36] <briansuda>
#1, How do i Validate Microformats?
- [01:21:09] <briansuda>
#2 class="url fn" breaks CSS formating: FALSE... multple values ok answer here
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- [01:21:54] <briansuda>
#3 CSS selectors can't select rel-tag: FALSE a[rel~="tag"] answer here
- [01:22:07] <briansuda>
what is the best FAQ for these?
- [01:22:15] <briansuda>
or multiple FAQ pages
- [01:23:00] <briansuda>
#4 How do i localize/format my dates: A: You don't...
- [01:23:39] <briansuda>
#4 how do i display the localized format of my dates for each region/TZ: A: you don't ...
- [01:25:51] <mfbot>
[[hresume-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-feedback&diff=0&oldid=6333 * AlexanderMuse * (+185)
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[[hresume-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-feedback&diff=0&oldid=6334 * AlexanderMuse * (+90)
- [01:31:08] <tantek>
brian, regarding validation - that's a "working on it" item. see /wiki/to-do
- [01:31:28] <tantek>
one can use the XMDPs for various microformats to at least verify that the right class names are being used
- [01:31:41] <tantek>
#2? could you provide more context for it
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- [01:32:15] <tantek>
#3 should be reworded as "How do you write a CSS selector for rel-tag?"
- [01:33:33] <briansuda>
#2, let me try and find the exact email it came from....
- [01:34:02] <tantek>
you can put #3 in the rel-tag-faq
- [01:34:05] <briansuda>
my question is where should those FAQs go, i was planning on putting them on the wiki/faq, but they don't seem to sit well with the current ones.
- [01:34:30] <tantek>
#2, if we even bother, sounds like it should be on hcard-faq
- [01:34:45] <tantek>
need more detail on #4 also
- [01:35:27] <tantek>
i'm going to tweak hcalendar-faq a bit
- [01:36:01] <briansuda>
#4 someone was worried about DD-MM-YY vs. YYYY-MM-DD vs. MM/DD/YYYY, and all this can be handled by CSS NOT microformats, out-of-scope answer all mf cares about is ISO
- [01:39:52] <briansuda>
#2 http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-April/003696.html
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- [01:42:25] <jibot>
Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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- [01:45:09] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=6335 * Tantek * (+119) tweaked a few answers, added links
- [01:46:02] <tantek>
#4 sounds like it needs some rephrasing / rethinking... it is about the human-friendly display of the date
- [01:46:39] <tantek>
Microformats enable folks to write Greasemonkey javascripts for example to take the ISO date from the 'title' and replace the human readable date with a version that is localized.
- [01:47:32] <briansuda>
it's not really an issue, per se, but date formats keep poping up. It would be nice to have a reference
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- [01:51:15] <tantek>
yes, go ahead and add that one to the general faq
- [01:52:26] <briansuda>
OK, so #4 and #1 to general, #3 to rel-tag-faq and #2 to hcard-faq?
- [01:53:27] <tantek>
#2 OTOH does not qualify as a FAQ IMHO - if we see it again, then we can add it
- [01:53:54] <briansuda>
OK, i'll add the others in a bit.
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- [01:55:09] <briansuda>
tantek, nice to see that you are speaking at An Event Apart
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- [02:05:18] <tantek>
yes, i'm very much looking forward to AEA http://www.aneventapart.com/
- [02:06:34] <PhilipAshlock>
i'm glad to see you'll be there to evangelize, or whatever your presence may bring
- [02:06:55] <pnhChris>
hmmm
- [02:07:39] <pnhChris>
july, huh
- [02:08:16] <PhilipAshlock>
please excuse my ignorance, but can i have jibot introduce myself when i join the channel?
- [02:08:27] <PhilipAshlock>
i'd be happy to add it to the irc wiki page if needed
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=6336 * Tantek * (+184)
- [02:10:15] <tantek>
Philip, where are you from?
- [02:10:24] <tantek>
and do you have a blog?
- [02:10:29] <PhilipAshlock>
i'm in Bellingham WA
- [02:11:03] <PhilipAshlock>
just a list of sites at the moment, but should be relaunching the site with full blog and portfolio within the next week or so - http://www.philaestheta.com
- [02:11:54] <PhilipAshlock>
with this design: (a bit heavy on file size at the moment) - http://dropbox.philitopia.com/philaestheta/dev/
- [02:12:12] <tantek>
?def PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
- [02:12:12] <jibot>
PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
- [02:12:19] <PhilipAshlock>
thanks!
- [02:14:00] <PhilipAshlock>
I'm a web developer and undergrad student at Western Washington University and currently in a position to coordinate the use of microformats for contact information and events on all university web pages
- [02:14:45] <PhilipAshlock>
i'm also working with George Dyson to develop his website, you might be more familiar with his sister Esther Dyson. George lives near me
- [02:17:29] <PhilipAshlock>
tantek: can anyone use the ?def command? Should i add that to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc ?
- [02:17:53] <tantek>
yes, anyone can use the ?def command
- [02:19:49] <tantek>
you should feel free to improve the wiki in general, and if you have questions about anything in particular, you can ask here (like you did). if you think the information would help someone go for it. note that jibot has some good online documentation that a search will reveal.
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i did see that, but felt there was a little lack of clarity in being greeted with " Initial topic: add yourself to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc" upon joining the channel and making the association that I could provide my little introduction/definition by going there.
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- [02:52:19] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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- [03:11:43] <mfbot>
[[rel-tag-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-faq&diff=0&oldid=6337 * Brian * (+85) added FAQ for CSS selector for Rel-Tag
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[[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=6338 * Brian * (+246) Added Q & A about Microformat validators, iterate/update as needed
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[[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=6339 * Tantek * (+7) minor tweaks
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[[rel-tag-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-faq&diff=0&oldid=6340 * Tantek * (+14) fixed CSS, added code markup
- [03:37:06] <briansuda>
general XFN question? can you use rel="me" for other protocols besides HTTP? such as mailto: or aim:?
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[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=6341 * PhilipAshlock * (+463) People on irc -
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- [03:53:37] <tantek>
brian, yes
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Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=6342 * Brian * (+68) Brian Suda -
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=6343 * 5homfray * (+199) Examples in the wild -
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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http://www.gr0w.com/articles/design/microformats_logo_design_using_scalable_css_and_html/ heh, seen this?
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looks like a lot of code to me... but fun none the less
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evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
- [13:54:20] <Atamido>
Has anyone ever seen -k-border-radius or -o-border-radius work?
- [13:54:31] <trovster>
Do they exist?
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I know -m-border-radius do.
- [13:54:45] <Atamido>
Google says they do.
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URL?
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=o-border-radius
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Heh, no. Which ones say they work.,
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http://www.google.com/search?q=khtml-border-radius
- [14:01:21] <Atamido>
No, Google says they exist.
- [14:02:16] <trovster>
Well -x-css exist, as -x- is vender specific.
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- [14:03:23] <Atamido>
Right.
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But my question was, do they "work"?
- [14:03:45] <Atamido>
I already know they exist.
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Atamido, -k- might work in KHTML/KDE based engines, -o- might apply to Opera.
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rather, -khtml- for khtml based engines. -k- doesn't affect anything AFAIK
- [15:29:01] <Atamido>
Right.
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But has anyone actually /seen/ it work?
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Atamido, Safari uses the KHTML engine
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as does Konqueror
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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tantek: Got some suggestions on the repeating vevent?
- [16:00:01] <tantek>
let's take a look at it again
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URL?
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pm?
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[[book-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=book-examples&diff=0&oldid=6344 * Tantek * (+11)
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
- [16:40:20] <Atamido>
tantek: Perhaps, but I am on Windows. :)
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I thought there was a Windows port of Konqueror but I could be mistaken.
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- [16:57:08] * DanC wishes for hCalendar/hCard drag-n-drop for filling out http://www.valleytransporter.com/resform.html
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I'm making travel arrangements for a meeting in Amherst, MA; how many times am I going to type in the same info? sigh.
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http://forum.multipack.co.uk/viewtopic.php?id=62 - what do people think of this idea?
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DanC, i think that is the whole point of Live Clipboard!
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yes, can I have one, please? ;-)
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what's Odeon? I suggest making that a link
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It's a huge cinema chain in the UK.
- [17:00:41] <DanC>
title of id=62 is "Odeon iCal + RSS" for those that haven't followed the link
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And the Multipack is a Midlands, UK based group, so it is perfectly adequate for the group ;)
- [17:01:02] <DanC>
but you dropped the URI in this channel
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anyway, yes, cinema times in hCalendar is a natural
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hCard too, cuz the location of the cinema matters.
- [17:02:02] <trovster>
Meh, the semantics of this channel really annoys me some tims.
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I'm always trying to write Microformats into projects, and get slammed down most of the time.
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suggesting a link is slamming?
- [17:03:18] <trovster>
It was unrequired pedantic nonsense.
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Being a human you're able to read in context, and it mentions cinemas.
- [17:06:00] <Atamido>
tantek: I don't see any Win32 ports of KHTML, although there is some stuff for viewing X windows sessions in Windows.
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DanC: It took me longer to figure out what "id=62" was. :P
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I thought to myself, "Wait a minute, id's can't start with a number."
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- [17:12:58] <Atamido>
Well, not unless it is escaped. ;)
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- [17:18:25] <Atamido>
Hmmmm, or not.
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That part of the spec isn't very clear.
- [17:18:36] <tantek>
trovster, FWIW, it makes a lot of sense to publish cinema schedules with hCalendar
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Aye, but they're not doing it ;) I've contacted them, saying I can help, if not get the MP to hack it on
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i wouldn't bother to go to all the work of building their own cross-platform, cross-calendar-program iCalendar .ics feed though, because it is a huge pain, and they can save a bunch of time by simply using X2V or the Technorati Events Feed service to provide a synthetic .ics feed from the hCalendar
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there have been a few blog posts about this
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about how it is MUCH easier to just use hCalendar and a converter, rather than building iCalendar feeds
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Yeh, the job will be to make hCalendar / hCard for that information
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Would it really be that hard?
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How do you represent multiple possible start times for an event in hCal?
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- [17:43:11] <DanC>
at least I didn't have to re-key my flight itinerary; http://www.w3.org/2006/05dc-edi/itin-enrich.xsl worked again on my AA itinerary, so I've got the http://www.w3.org/2006/06dc-bdl/aa-bdl-uf.ics
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Atamido, if by multiple possible start times, you mean multiple occurrences, then RDATE
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anyone around want to discuss a few remaining FAQ questions that could use some better answers
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1# "URI schemes vs. visible data" class="tel" vs href="tel://"
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#2 The question of 'When we say "XHTML" do we mean...' is something that I've often heard.
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#3 language mappings for property names, Why are all microformat properties in english, etc.
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brian, I think #1 is already answered somewhere, probably in hCard-brainstorming
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visible data wins
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#2 is When we say "XHTML" we mean backward compatible XHTML 1.0, per Appendix C
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#3 is answered in http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-lists#bad_topics_for_discussion
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[[hcalendar-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=6345 * ScottReynen * (+30) 4.6.1 Event Component -
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[[hcalendar-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=6346 * RyanKing * (-30) Reverted edit of ScottReynen, changed back to last version by Mark Mansour
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[[hcalendar-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=6347 * ScottReynen * (+15)
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[[hcalendar-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=6348 * ScottReynen * (+30) changes first example to use timezone with DST
- [18:48:38] <tantek>
what's going on with hcalendar-examples folks?
- [18:49:53] <kingryan>
those examples were strict copy-paste from the rfcs
- [18:49:56] <kingryan>
but he's modifying them
- [18:50:27] <tantek>
ah
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and no sign of him on the channel
- [18:51:00] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=6349 * RyanKing * (-45) Reverted edit of ScottReynen, changed back to last version by RyanKing
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I think he'll figure it out :D
- [18:51:21] <tantek>
perhaps adding a bit more to the preamble might help
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http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples#RFC_2445_examples_in_hCalendar
- [18:52:10] <tantek>
I think he is just trying to "improve" the examples, without realizing that they are not supposed to improved since they are taken directly from RFC2445.
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[[hcalendar-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples&diff=0&oldid=6350 * RyanKing * (-227) added a note about RFC examples
- [18:52:26] <kingryan>
yeah
- [18:52:33] <kingryan>
they're supposed to be crappy examples
- [18:53:06] <tantek>
since he's not on the channel, consider sending a gentle note to the discuss list
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[[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=6351 * ScottReynen * (+124) changed timezone answer to focus on what people are most often doing (using offsets), add warning about DST, and remove irrelevant spec-talk ("MUST")
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[[htodo]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/htodo * Smackman * (+1550)
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[[htodo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=htodo&diff=0&oldid=6352 * Smackman * (+273)
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[[htodo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=htodo&diff=0&oldid=6353 * Smackman * (+13)
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