IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-22

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  2. [00:07:19] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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  8. [00:20:25] <veeliam> ?karma
  9. [00:20:25] <jibot> Karma Dump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
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  11. [00:34:50] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  14. [00:53:33] <veeliam> Howdy folks! I'm looking for that feeds.technorati thing that you put on your site and it goes to technorati and it downloads/converts hCard to vCard onto your personal computer.
  15. [00:53:44] <veeliam> where did i see that...?
  16. [00:54:31] <KevinMarks> lots of places you might have seen it
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  18. [00:55:25] <veeliam> yea! i know. i went to technorati's site and found the form where you input a url and it'll just do it for you.
  19. [00:55:34] <KevinMarks> cool
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  21. [01:04:46] <veeliam> But, i'm trying to figure out how to put that link in the site without the visitor going to technorati's site
  22. [01:05:25] <KevinMarks> well, a direct link works
  23. [01:05:40] <KevinMarks> webcal://feeds.technorati.com/events/http://epeus.blogspot.com is what I use to get an iCal subscription on mine
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  25. [01:09:01] <veeliam> so in your case it's important to put the webcal instead of http, right?
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  27. [01:12:41] <veeliam> so does this look good: http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/http://yadda.yadda
  28. [01:13:18] <veeliam> what i'm asking is, is this the "standard way" of doing this?
  29. [01:13:39] <KevinMarks> yes
  30. [01:16:00] <veeliam> thank you kevin
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  36. [02:08:46] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  38. [02:15:48] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  39. [02:40:44] <mfbot> [[currency-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-formats * ScottReynen * (+289) Created with ISO 4217
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  64. [06:26:25] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  72. [07:07:16] <Whiskey_M> 'lo
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  76. [07:51:56] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  78. [07:52:47] <Whiskey_M> morning tantek :)
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  80. [08:01:42] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  82. [08:01:44] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  83. [08:02:31] <tantek> morning Whiskey_M
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  85. [08:03:57] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  86. [08:05:11] <Whiskey_M> the UK is waking up ;-) morning all - how goes?
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  88. [08:13:04] <mfbot> [[currency-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-formats&diff=0&oldid=8747 * AndyMabbett * (-2) ]
  89. [08:14:05] <mfbot> [[currency-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-formats&diff=0&oldid=8748 * AndyMabbett * (+13) tyops
  90. [08:15:53] <trovster> Nah, I usually 'wake up' around never!
  91. [08:16:49] <drewinthehead> morning morning
  92. [08:16:56] * drewinthehead needs coffee and toast.
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  96. [08:35:19] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk (+0000/+0100 GMT)
  97. [08:37:38] <drewinthehead> morning BenWard
  98. [08:37:44] <BenWard> Morning Drew
  99. [08:37:49] <drewinthehead> how goes?
  100. [08:38:04] <BenWard> Not bad thanks. First in the office again, despite being half an hour late. mmmmStartups.
  101. [08:38:41] <drewinthehead> this place seems to run 24/7
  102. [08:38:43] <BenWard> Therefore I shall catch up with µf-discuss and then return to the more mundane task of database implementation.
  103. [08:38:53] <drewinthehead> mmmm databases :)
  104. [08:39:39] <drewinthehead> relational database management systems these days ... i remember when all this were nowt but fields.
  105. [08:39:46] <BenWard> It's quite… large. And the list of views I need to create for it seems to grow rather than shrink. Ah well, my hope is to have it mostly done by end of day so I can do something more fun on Monday :)
  106. [08:39:48] <BenWard> Ha!
  107. [08:40:08] <drewinthehead> sql server 2005?
  108. [08:41:24] <BenWard> Yeah.
  109. [08:42:11] <drewinthehead> nice. i quite like sql server.
  110. [08:42:23] <drewinthehead> it's the tools i dislike
  111. [08:42:36] <BenWard> Yeah, this is the first time I've really used 2K5. Used 2000 every day when I worked with Steve at FSC.
  112. [08:43:46] <BenWard> Actually gotta say, SQL Server Management Studio that comes with 2005 (replacing Query Analyser and Enterprise Manager) is such a huge improvement. It's many, many orders of magnitude better than what they had before
  113. [08:44:00] <drewinthehead> yes, i've never used 2005, but used 2000 for years, and before that v7
  114. [08:44:05] <drewinthehead> that's what i was hoping for
  115. [08:44:18] <drewinthehead> i should check it out
  116. [08:46:10] <BenWard> I think it's built on the same UI core as the current Visual Studios, so it's rather more robust (tabbed UI for queries/table editing/everything).
  117. [08:47:37] <drewinthehead> better than the old everything-is-modal model where you end up running multiple instances of both Query Analyser and Enterprise Manager
  118. [08:48:44] <drewinthehead> we'll be sent to #sqlserverfanbois any moment
  119. [08:51:30] <BenWard> I hated Enterprise Manager so much. I don't know the name of the Windows framework it was built on, but it was the same as one of the generic ‘management console’ kind of set-ups used for simple stuff like the Computer Management app. You'd think for a piece of software they're selling for £10K they'd produce something dedicated to the task…
  120. [08:53:04] <drewinthehead> the worst thing is how you have to edit your stored procs in a tiny modal dialogue box ... you have to then be running a second instance of EM to reference your table structures.
  121. [08:53:39] <BenWard> Oh God, yeah. And the way it didn't have any kind of intelligent error highlighting: Just an alert box when you tried to save it.
  122. [08:54:20] <BenWard> And if the error was because you'd forgotten the name of your field, God help you because you couldn't switch back to the table view to double check.
  123. [08:57:16] <drewinthehead> you have to select the whole thing, copy to the clipboard, close the window, check, open it again, paste back in your changes and make the edit
  124. [08:57:57] <drewinthehead> oh, and when you create and save a new SP it errors telling you it already exists. grrr
  125. [08:58:18] <BenWard> Oh God, yes.
  126. [08:58:58] <BenWard> At what point did the SQL Server team lose so much life force to say ‘yeah, that'll do’?
  127. [09:02:06] <drewinthehead> the moment someone made them work under fluorescent lighting, i guess
  128. [09:03:24] <drewinthehead> upcoming.org have redesigned the watching/attending lists again
  129. [09:04:38] <trovster> Now they look like someones mock up ;)
  130. [09:08:13] <BenWard> That's cool. I remember seeing Andy Baio's comment when that mock-up emerge. Paraphrasing, it was along the lines of ‘That's much better, we'll do that, give me a sec…’
  131. [09:08:42] <mfbot> [[mars-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=8749 * AndyMabbett * (+156) another example; sorting
  132. [09:09:27] * BenWard starts to wonder when his co-workers are going to arrive today…
  133. [09:12:24] <mfbot> [[mars-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=8750 * AndyMabbett * (+94) quote useage
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  136. [09:19:35] <mfbot> [[mars-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=8751 * AndyMabbett * (+96) another quote
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  138. [09:20:16] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  140. [09:22:45] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  141. [09:27:16] <mfbot> [[mars-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=8752 * AndyMabbett * (+52) fmt
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  143. [09:28:32] <mfbot> [[mars-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=8753 * AndyMabbett * (-1) sp.
  144. [09:33:35] * drewinthehead has made the 'close' icon in rel-lint much bolder, due to popular request.
  145. [09:35:43] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8754 * AndyMabbett * (+95) Wikipedia
  146. [09:36:44] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8755 * AndyMabbett * (-7) fmt
  147. [09:40:55] <mfbot> [[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=8756 * AndyMabbett * (+76) Wikipedia article on GeoTagging
  148. [09:44:16] <mfbot> [[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=8757 * AndyMabbett * (-45) rm. redundant sub-heading
  149. [09:49:53] <mfbot> [[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=8758 * AndyMabbett * (+0) sp.
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  151. [09:52:28] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  160. [11:28:44] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  161. [11:39:25] * drewinthehead is trying to get his head around rel vs rev for votelinks
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  164. [11:42:19] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  167. [11:49:33] * drewinthehead concludes that he doesn't get the subtleties of the rel vs rev argument for votelinks, so just accepts it.
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  169. [11:51:23] <briansuda> rev and rel are directional
  170. [11:53:45] <drewinthehead> yeah, and i've read the FAQ
  171. [11:54:00] <drewinthehead> the words are going in, but not computing
  172. [11:54:04] <drewinthehead> it's Friday ;)
  173. [11:54:32] <drewinthehead> i'm wondering whether to check for votelinks in rel-lint and flag that they should be using the rev attribute
  174. [11:55:34] <briansuda> that's a good idea
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  176. [11:58:46] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  178. [12:17:30] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  181. [12:23:18] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  185. [12:28:07] <pnhChris> if anyone was paying attention when i asked about dropping type from an card tell value seems like it gets through the parsers (x2v, hkit, tails) just fine
  186. [12:28:22] <drewinthehead> yay
  187. [12:28:41] <drewinthehead> we rock
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  189. [12:29:57] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  190. [12:36:19] <drewinthehead> i've just been looking at the Luna and Mars stuff ... i shouldn't these be encompassed within geo? (type/value, default type of Earth)
  191. [12:38:03] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8759 * John Allsopp * (+42) Exploratory Discussions -
  192. [12:39:29] <mfbot> [[tagcloud-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/tagcloud-examples * John Allsopp * (+36)
  193. [12:41:26] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8760 * John Allsopp * (+54) Exploratory Discussions -
  194. [12:42:02] <mfbot> [[tagcloud-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/tagcloud-brainstorming * John Allsopp * (+55)
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  196. [12:46:42] <pnhChris> i haven't looked at whether is possible to extent geo like that parsing wise.. but i did raise the question on list myself
  197. [12:46:53] <pnhChris> seems that would be the most logical direction
  198. [12:47:36] <pnhChris> (says the outsider)
  199. [12:47:58] <mfbot> [[luna-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=luna-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8761 * DrewMcLellan * (+625) Comments regarding reusing geo
  200. [12:48:32] <drewinthehead> seems daft to have multiple formats that do the same thing for different lumps of rock
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  204. [12:50:10] <briansuda> pnhChris, what do you want to extend in geo?
  205. [12:50:23] <briansuda> ah, where it was from
  206. [12:50:30] <briansuda> which terrafirma that is
  207. [12:50:32] <drewinthehead> right
  208. [12:50:38] <drewinthehead> type/value would work
  209. [12:50:50] <drewinthehead> default type is Earth, which gives us compatibility
  210. [12:50:57] <briansuda> you wouldn't need VALUE
  211. [12:51:04] <drewinthehead> value is the co-ord
  212. [12:51:10] <briansuda> the value is already in the lat/long or the @title
  213. [12:51:19] <briansuda> you would just need an optional type
  214. [12:51:24] <briansuda> and it is assumed to be EARTH
  215. [12:51:28] <drewinthehead> right
  216. [12:51:43] <briansuda> as cool as mapping other places is, i'm not sure it is practical
  217. [12:51:45] <drewinthehead> VALUE is there, but implicit
  218. [12:52:12] <drewinthehead> the list of examples is somewhat brief :)
  219. [12:52:45] <briansuda> well, you could actually use value within lat/long <span class="latitude">3 steps south is <span class="value">12.435678</span></span>
  220. [12:52:47] <ajturner> I don't see why mapping other places is 'inpractical'
  221. [12:53:10] <briansuda> not impractical, but if i am exporting data, what "consumer" apps can use it?
  222. [12:53:46] <briansuda> just saying, i have limited cycles, if i spend a day writting code, who would use it, and where can i get data.
  223. [12:54:01] <ajturner> just so I understand, the question is whether it should be possible to specify another "body" than Earth? (Mars, Moon, SecondLife)
  224. [12:54:24] <briansuda> not sure much SL, because it doesn't use LAT/LON, but yes basically
  225. [12:54:50] <ajturner> well, this is a q that came up in the Geo-community for doing mapping tiles
  226. [12:55:16] <ajturner> for SL, and non-lat/lon worlds the answer was posed to be do a mapping from SL coords to lat/lon coords
  227. [12:55:23] <ajturner> I think that kind of stinks, but that was the proposition
  228. [12:56:05] <ajturner> anyways, maybe some option "reference frame" would be nice? Could use rel
  229. [12:56:14] <ajturner> rel='wgs84' or rel='earth'
  230. [12:56:20] <ajturner> rel='mars', rel='secondlife'
  231. [12:56:29] <ajturner> or maybe I'm completely abusing the system
  232. [12:56:48] <briansuda> yes, but with rel that needs to be a link to something eg maps.google.com
  233. [12:57:14] <briansuda> the interesting thing about SL and WoW is that their worlds are indeed flat.
  234. [12:57:15] <ajturner> rel='placetime.com/geopoint/wgs84/'
  235. [12:57:21] <ajturner> well, for now they are
  236. [12:57:22] <ajturner> :)
  237. [12:57:34] <ajturner> would be neat to see them use some alternate 3-d spaces
  238. [12:57:38] <ajturner> but I digress
  239. [12:57:43] <briansuda> true, no one has tried to sail around it yet
  240. [12:57:51] <ajturner> right, so WoW and SL are simple Eulerian cartesian
  241. [12:58:08] <ajturner> I bet they've "tried"
  242. [12:58:40] <briansuda> it is hard to make a 0,0 centre when you are expanding your world outwards randomly
  243. [12:58:45] <ajturner> anyways, thinking say even within the next 5 years, people may want to reference lander locations on Moon/Mars
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  245. [12:59:00] <briansuda> it is not an even growth on all sides in all directions, they bolt on new land one squre at a time
  246. [12:59:08] <ajturner> not really, if 0,0 center is fixed to be the first tile, then you can expand to MAX_INT, -MAX_INT
  247. [12:59:28] <terrell> and there's no incentive to 'limit' it by making it a real sphere
  248. [12:59:30] <ajturner> and then maybe tile even that by doing deeper coordinate space (Major Tiles -> Minor Tiles)
  249. [12:59:37] <briansuda> i would agree that mapping other planets will become interesting and more popular - Microformats don't define the specifications to use, but gather existing data and model that
  250. [12:59:46] <ajturner> right, anyways, the question is, if you wanted to specify the reference frame for Geo, how would one do that?
  251. [13:00:04] <briansuda> at the moment - earth is the only one
  252. [13:00:14] <briansuda> that's why people are looking into the TYPE/VALUE idea
  253. [13:00:27] <briansuda> same that has been bouncing around the Currency discussion
  254. [13:00:35] <briansuda> and how we already do TEL/ADR/EMAIL
  255. [13:00:57] <ajturner> right, so specifying Earth/Mars is like specifying 'Pounds/USD/Euro'?
  256. [13:01:44] <ajturner> and Tel: 'Mobile/Home', Adr: 'Home/Work' ?
  257. [13:02:00] <briansuda> at the moment that is the current leader for how to mark it up
  258. [13:03:09] <briansuda> i would assume that other planets will use lat/lon and not some sort of other system like POLAR, (radius, distance, angle)? if they do then our GEO model is broken already.
  259. [13:03:09] <ajturner> example?
  260. [13:03:37] <ajturner> heh, correct geo should still work
  261. [13:04:04] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8762 * DrewMcLellan * (+9) Exploratory Discussions -
  262. [13:05:04] <briansuda> <abbr title="12.34;45.678">Apollo landing site on the <span class="type">moon</span></abbr>
  263. [13:05:26] <briansuda> http://moon.google.com/
  264. [13:06:19] <pnhChris> but then arises a backwards incompatibility issue
  265. [13:06:34] <briansuda> not if you use XMDP Profiles
  266. [13:06:42] <ajturner> I like that example
  267. [13:07:01] <ajturner> though what is the title="lat;lon" format from?
  268. [13:07:12] <pnhChris> i don't particularly like it from a sematic pov
  269. [13:07:25] <ajturner> how's that?
  270. [13:07:38] <pnhChris> i think its a real abbr stretch.
  271. [13:07:43] <briansuda> the LAT;LON comes from vCARD which isn't too explaintory about where they got it
  272. [13:07:54] <pnhChris> but i get the idea
  273. [13:08:00] <briansuda> you can certainly still use class="latitude" class="longitude" explicitly
  274. [13:08:38] <briansuda> i haven't been involved too much in the discussions of GEO outside of earth, but before we declare any "official" microformat - people can certainly test things out on their own site, then as things gain critical mass, the site can be cited as another example
  275. [13:08:53] <ajturner> well, being able to 'hide' the lat/lon is nice
  276. [13:09:14] <pnhChris> my other concern, if i were to really care enough about this to get into finding a workable solution would be the desire not to have to repeat the type 30 times on a page like some of the example tables shown
  277. [13:09:21] <ajturner> sure - well, I am going to start putting up examples to push the geo community as well to see the benefits/usage examples of non-Earth mapping
  278. [13:09:47] <ajturner> so I'm going to do some Moon mapping using OpenLayers :)
  279. [13:10:00] <briansuda> yes, i want to play with that as well!
  280. [13:10:12] <briansuda> you should add them as a link on the wiki so others can find it
  281. [13:10:18] <ajturner> b/c when I brought up moon/mars mapping at FOSS4G - some people groaned
  282. [13:10:45] <mfbot> [[tagcloud-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=tagcloud-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8763 * AndyMabbett * (+43) boilerplate
  283. [13:10:52] <ajturner> ergo my desire to jump in on this convo - hrm... woudl be nice to have a bot to leave "markers" in a channel - if keywords pop up for a discussion, email me so I can log in and join
  284. [13:11:04] <briansuda> recently there has been a "lets get this microformat done this week" sort of attitude, or "why hasn't anyone added to my wiki page
  285. [13:11:23] <briansuda> well, it is probably because there isn't critical mass of interest yet
  286. [13:11:31] <mfbot> [[tagcloud-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=tagcloud-examples&diff=0&oldid=8764 * AndyMabbett * (+48) boilerlpate
  287. [13:11:36] <briansuda> we can document and things can lay dormant
  288. [13:11:46] <ajturner> well, I think perhaps people are a little frustrated, they want to get something done (due dates, projects, customers) and sometimes "Waiting for emergence" can be tedious
  289. [13:11:48] <briansuda> not everything NEEDS to happen by the end of the month
  290. [13:12:07] <mfbot> [[tagcloud]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/tagcloud * AndyMabbett * (+31) redirect
  291. [13:12:10] <ajturner> not everything ,but some people have customers/projects/timelines (not me, but I've heard it happens ;)
  292. [13:12:21] <briansuda> true, but nothing is stopping anyone from just using semantic classes to start with
  293. [13:12:55] <ajturner> true, but I think they're trying to 'play nice' and get consensus quickly - pipe dream :)
  294. [13:13:20] <ajturner> btw briansuda - I eventually found my flat Tuesday night - took some wandering & gps pinpointing
  295. [13:13:23] <briansuda> other other great thing about the web is that it is not like a print broshure, you can change it
  296. [13:13:31] <briansuda> :)
  297. [13:13:39] <ajturner> the web is dynamic - No! say it ain't so
  298. [13:13:56] <pnhChris> the real world problem i run into is not enough clients give a rats ass once something is live... if there was more iteration and evolution on 'normal' sites i think developers would be more patient for things to just come along
  299. [13:14:20] <pnhChris> briansuda: you can, but people holding the purses rarely care that it is
  300. [13:14:32] <pnhChris> in my experience
  301. [13:14:42] <pnhChris> unless the web is your business
  302. [13:14:45] <ajturner> well, at least there are grassroots hackers that can try and push and morph their projects
  303. [13:15:03] <briansuda> agreed, and if there was some MASSIVE push to map the moon tomorrow (or create a distributed Classified company) then there might be more movement - but like i said - i don't feel the critical mass/buzz so it is abit of a sleeper
  304. [13:15:14] <mfbot> [[luna-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=luna-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8765 * AndyMabbett * (+117) Drew McLellan - response
  305. [13:15:55] <ajturner> right - pragmatic,
  306. [13:15:57] <ajturner> that's good :)
  307. [13:16:05] <ajturner> which is why I want to make a demo site
  308. [13:16:16] <ajturner> perhaps it's my space background that makes it seem more important to me
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  311. [13:20:05] <drewinthehead> everyone has a space background at night :D
  312. [13:21:18] <drewinthehead> moon co-ords are very cool and interesting, but i'm not sure the appeal is broad enough for a microformat, personally
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  314. [13:22:14] <pnhChris> if someone can find a way to cleanly extend geo that sits better with me then a new format totally (or for every body)... i just don't have the cycles to give to the discussion no matter what direction it goes in
  315. [13:22:47] <pnhChris> otherwise it can wait until i'm flickr'ing my photos of my new house on mars :P
  316. [13:22:53] <pnhChris> and need to map em
  317. [13:23:07] <drewinthehead> or planning a vacation, perhaps ;)
  318. [13:24:40] <pnhChris> vacation? nah.. if i'm leaving this rock it'll be for good :P
  319. [13:27:55] <ajturner> I think the idea is to not make a *new* mf, but add a small extension to geo to allow some reference which would apply to moon/mars/virtual environments, and also model closely with how one specifies Work/Home/Mobile, for phones/address, etc.
  320. [13:28:36] <ajturner> and think for photos that you should mark what you're taking the photo *of*, so if you have a telescope, marking the lat/lon center (or bounds) of a photo of the moon (if you have a good telescope)
  321. [13:29:11] <pnhChris> now THATS a disuccussion i'd think is worth having
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  324. [13:29:31] <mfbot> [[luna-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=luna-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8767 * AndyMabbett * (+204) Drew McLellan - response (& Ed)
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  327. [13:29:58] <pnhChris> but i don't want to get into it because the issues of context are just too evil
  328. [13:30:22] <mfbot> [[luna-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=luna-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8768 * AndyMabbett * (+8) Drew McLellan -
  329. [13:30:26] <pnhChris> and extends to everything from tags to geo to media, etc.
  330. [13:32:35] <pnhChris> like the subtleties of the tagcloud discussion
  331. [13:33:10] <ajturner> pnhChris - what were you referring to about "THAT discussion"?
  332. [13:33:22] <ajturner> you mean, what are you tagging?
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  334. [13:33:52] <pnhChris> how to explicitly define what a geo [or tag, or author or.... ] is referring to
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  337. [13:34:54] <pnhChris> so it doesn't lose value or overreach its scope
  338. [13:37:41] * drewinthehead is utterly bored with luna now.
  339. [13:37:52] * drewinthehead has a short attention span.
  340. [13:38:19] <sreynen> re: luna, current parsers aren't looking for any type of rock, so adding one won't prevent them from mapping moon coordinated onto Earth maps
  341. [13:38:31] <drewinthehead> still feels like a solution without a problem
  342. [13:39:04] <briansuda> sreynen, that's where XMDP profiles come in and/or a new version of GEO
  343. [13:39:29] <briansuda> if you ONLY declare a LUNA GEO XMDP Profile, then any GEO parser should completely ignore any GEOs found
  344. [13:39:33] <briansuda> and vice versa
  345. [13:39:35] <pnhChris> (e.g. things in a tag cloud not being "tags" because they're defining the contents of a site and not the current visible posts... or if you have a photo with 2 "geos" how to distinguish what point is where the photo was taken and the subject of the photo... or how to say "400iso" is more then just a tag in a list of things next to "balloons" but also can be extracted as exif data)
  346. [13:40:13] <sreynen> right, but that still requires rewriting existing parsers
  347. [13:40:24] <pnhChris> (lots of things floating around that bother me but not enough just yet for me to go looking for solutions or complaining about specs)
  348. [13:40:27] <sreynen> which may be a worthwhile project
  349. [13:40:41] <sreynen> but no one seems to be recognizing this change in the email discussions
  350. [13:41:37] <sreynen> i do like the idea of something that would encourage use of profiles
  351. [13:41:50] <sreynen> seems everyone agrees they're a good idea, but no one is using them
  352. [13:42:45] <pnhChris> i think maybe the wrong people are in the thread to be having /that/ discussion
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  354. [13:43:07] <pnhChris> i know i've tuned it out
  355. [13:44:41] <briansuda> I think XMDP profiles should be the next thing to evangelise - the tricky think is that i'm not sure how pre-made blog apps can/do support adding to HTML outside of the "entry" area.
  356. [13:44:45] <pnhChris> is it a good idea or is it inevitable / required because there's no other way to evolve formats in a sane way?
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  358. [13:45:23] * pnhChris doesn't know the answer to that one
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  360. [13:46:17] <briansuda> well i think it is required to disambiguate all the new formats we are producing versus the existing formats we have reused and that apps are consuming currently
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  362. [13:48:22] <sreynen> i think we'll run into a social problem where we have an updated format that requires profiles for backwards compatibility (e.g. adding a rock type to geo), and no one is using profiles, so it will just make microformats look broken
  363. [13:48:55] <pnhChris> its always been there though
  364. [13:49:07] <pnhChris> look at scoping issues with address/author or tags
  365. [13:49:53] <pnhChris> i dunno.. need to get coffee and get to work sometime today
  366. [13:50:50] <pnhChris> its a bigger discussion then i can take on this morning
  367. [13:50:53] <pnhChris> ;)
  368. [13:51:02] <sreynen> me too
  369. [13:51:19] <drewinthehead> when does a draft become a specification?
  370. [13:51:31] <drewinthehead> i thinking of hReview in particular
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  381. [14:32:39] <trovster> OOOOH, this is where you get the stickers from
  382. [14:35:10] <trovster> hmmm
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  408. [15:40:41] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8777 * Daniel * (+154) Examples in the wild -
  409. [15:44:52] <mfbot> [[currency-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-formats&diff=0&oldid=8778 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Canadian dollar - I shoudl use 'preview' more...
  410. [15:46:08] <mfbot> [[currency-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-formats&diff=0&oldid=8779 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Canadian dollar - =
  411. [15:47:34] <mfbot> [[currency-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-formats&diff=0&oldid=8780 * Guillaume Lebleu * (+612) Formats -
  412. [15:48:06] * tantek scrolls up
  413. [15:50:40] <mfbot> [[currency-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-formats&diff=0&oldid=8781 * AndyMabbett * (+1) corrections (4127 is for ship-building!)
  414. [15:51:41] <mfbot> [[currency-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-formats&diff=0&oldid=8782 * AndyMabbett * (+41) ISO 4217 - another link
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  418. [15:55:54] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8784 * AndyMabbett * (+95) References - anpther
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  447. [17:39:59] <tantek> lots of good discussions last night apparently
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  451. [18:00:51] <keithalexander> I just read the draft for the tagclouds microformat
  452. [18:01:32] <keithalexander> what's the rationale behind requiringthe tags to be in a list element?
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  454. [18:12:10] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  455. [18:28:34] <hober> keithalexander: I was wondering what purpose the enclosing <div /> serves.
  456. [18:29:38] <keithalexander> yeah, you don't really need both
  457. [18:30:11] <keithalexander> i'd rather have the div than the list though
  458. [18:30:50] <keithalexander> hmmm
  459. [18:31:32] <keithalexander> list might make more sense with stylesheets turned off I suppose
  460. [18:32:23] <ajturner> the wiki is still empty on the brainstorming/ideas for tagcloud?
  461. [18:32:42] <keithalexander> but then again, that's visual sense of browser's default style
  462. [18:32:59] <keithalexander> doesn't necessarily mean it's better semantics
  463. [18:40:51] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8786 * DavidJanes * (-7) More Semantic Equivalents -
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  473. [18:58:54] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  479. [19:15:50] <tantek> lots of email on the list recently
  480. [19:17:13] <veeliam> which list?
  481. [19:21:39] <tantek> microformats-discuss
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  483. [19:29:37] <Frederic> evening
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  485. [19:36:13] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  487. [19:45:33] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  492. [20:22:47] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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  494. [20:35:47] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8789 * AndyMabbett * (+55) References - Taxon
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  497. [20:36:06] <jibot> kensanata is blogging at http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/
  498. [20:37:13] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8790 * AndyMabbett * (+48) Questions - 'Taxon' as possible top-level name
  499. [20:40:19] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8791 * AndyMabbett * (+74) References - Hortax
  500. [20:42:40] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=8792 * AndyMabbett * (+272) Cross (plant) added
  501. [20:44:02] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8793 * AndyMabbett * (+97) References - ICNCP
  502. [20:47:48] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=8794 * AndyMabbett * (+140) Cross (plant) - another example
  503. [20:49:39] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8795 * AndyMabbett * (+26) Straw man proposal - specific epithet
  504. [20:50:15] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=8796 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Cross (plant) - fmt
  505. [20:51:16] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=8797 * AndyMabbett * (-4) Cross (plant) - fmt
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  507. [20:55:32] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8798 * AndyMabbett * (+29) Straw man proposal - breed
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  511. [20:57:58] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8799 * AndyMabbett * (+51) References - fix; add Wikispecies
  512. [21:03:14] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8800 * AndyMabbett * (+45) Questions - Taxon definition
  513. [21:05:05] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8801 * AndyMabbett * (+14) Straw man proposal - subphylum;, rename "sub" to "subsp"; fmt
  514. [21:09:36] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8802 * AndyMabbett * (+97) Straw man proposal - domain (& hierarchy ifxes)
  515. [21:10:17] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8803 * AndyMabbett * (+52) References - Wikispecies' Taxonomy page
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  519. [21:19:43] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8804 * AndyMabbett * (+65) Straw man proposal - More types
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  522. [21:33:54] <veeliam_> ?goodnight all
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  524. [21:34:05] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8805 * AndyMabbett * (+49) Straw man proposal - more
  525. [21:39:51] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8806 * AndyMabbett * (+12) Straw man proposal - more
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  527. [21:47:47] <mfbot> [[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=8807 * Discoleo * (+1597) Citation Mark Up in the Wild -
  528. [21:49:33] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8808 * AndyMabbett * (+848) Examples -
  529. [21:49:34] <jibot> MacDome is a WebKit hacker emeritus & has a passion for fashion & is finally back in CA! & has junk in his trunk! & now has more dots & now has a Super LoveSac!
  530. [21:50:54] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8809 * AndyMabbett * (+224) Examples - simplified
  531. [21:54:20] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8810 * AndyMabbett * (+108) Straw man proposal - tidy
  532. [21:54:56] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8811 * AndyMabbett * (-5) Examples - domain
  533. [21:58:17] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8812 * AndyMabbett * (+253) Straw man proposal - alternatives
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  535. [22:00:03] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8813 * AndyMabbett * (+51) Questions - do "authority" and "pair" need a joint wrapper?
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  537. [22:12:05] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8814 * AndyMabbett * (-10) Examples - tidy
  538. [22:12:21] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8815 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Examples - cap
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  543. [22:23:09] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  545. [22:27:13] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk (+0000/+0100 GMT)
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  552. [23:12:50] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8817 * Discoleo * (+1127) Citing a conference publication -
  553. [23:34:16] <mfbot> [[firefox-extensions]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/firefox-extensions * AndyMabbett * (+257) A start
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