IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-10-22
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- [00:00:16] <tantek>
yes, cite-examples is quite thorough
- [00:00:54] <bewes1>
my concern here is actually for species, I'm preparing an email for the list
- [00:01:01] <bewes1>
andy suggested I check out the examples page
- [00:01:09] <bewes1>
or at least I think he did
- [00:01:15] <bewes1>
regarding the size of classnames
- [00:01:46] <bewes1>
but the relationship to the strawman proposal and the examples is very confusing to me
- [00:01:57] <tantek>
one of the big question for species in my mind is what should the microformats approach be in general to the publishing and sharing of scientific knowledge?
- [00:02:21] <tantek>
the class names do not necessarily come from examples, but from established formats
- [00:02:33] <bewes1>
hmmm
- [00:02:34] <tantek>
rather the class names SHOULD come from established formats
- [00:02:40] <tantek>
the examples merely imply the schema
- [00:02:45] <tantek>
conceptually
- [00:02:48] <tantek>
not in name
- [00:03:08] <bewes1>
I beieved examples should inform the schema by behaviour, and if possibly it may imply it
- [00:03:11] <bewes1>
eg implication is better
- [00:03:18] <tantek>
if the relationship is confusing then it may indicate a proposal in need of improvement
- [00:03:21] <bewes1>
but informing is a decent back up
- [00:03:32] <bewes1>
but in this case I don't see how the examples informed the proposal
- [00:03:38] <bewes1>
the behaviour of the examples is more akin to tagging
- [00:03:40] <tantek>
the basic idea is examples -> imply a schema, formats -> imply names of fields for the schema
- [00:03:58] <bewes1>
I guess I'm making a disctinction between inform versus imply then
- [00:04:03] <tantek>
anything beyond that is simply a priori invention
- [00:04:32] <bewes1>
the examples page in the case of species confirms that "this data is in fact published"
- [00:04:55] <tantek>
that is only the "if" question though
- [00:05:15] <tantek>
more importantly, are the implied schema from the examples analyzed and documented?
- [00:05:23] <bewes1>
but there is very analysis
- [00:05:39] <tantek>
if not, then it is difficult to brainstorm an informed (as you say) proposal
- [00:05:57] <bewes1>
and it is unclear how the proposal reflects the analyses that do exist
- [00:06:01] <tantek>
my larger question still stands though - what should the microformats approach be in general to the publishing and sharing of scientific knowledge?
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- [00:06:38] <tantek>
we should be at least a bit cautious with the solution of the representation of species so that it doesn't back us into a corner with regards the rest of scientific knowledge
- [00:06:38] <bewes1>
hmmm
- [00:06:45] <bewes1>
right
- [00:06:53] <bewes1>
well what's interesting is the plants suggestion
- [00:06:56] <bewes1>
which I thought was redundant
- [00:07:01] <bewes1>
until I looked more closely
- [00:07:08] <bewes1>
http://microformats.org/wiki/plants
- [00:07:08] <tantek>
i'm not saying we should try to solve all formats for all scientific knowledge right away, i'm just saying we should at least keep it in mind
- [00:07:22] <bewes1>
suggested a range of use cases that I'm not sure are supported by species
- [00:07:28] <tantek>
interesting
- [00:09:26] <bewes1>
also, the proposed use case of species sounds a lot like tagging to me
- [00:10:18] <bewes1>
which is interesting because many of the examples also look like tagging
- [00:10:25] <bewes1>
but the proposed format looks nothing like tagging
- [00:10:40] <tantek>
that analysis would be good to add to the species-examples page then
- [00:10:47] <tantek>
that the examples look like tagging
- [00:10:56] <bewes1>
yeah, will add it
- [00:11:03] <bewes1>
still gathering thoughts on this
- [00:11:20] <tantek>
and if you think it is possible to use tagging to solve the representation of species problem, then consider adding a straw proposal of how to use rel-tag to represent species in a new section on the species-brainstorming page
- [00:11:57] <tantek>
tagging does cover the general use case of attaching one or more labels to something
- [00:12:23] <bewes1>
and simultaneously pointing to an "authoritative" source for that information
- [00:12:34] <bewes1>
erm, for the symbol that represents that information
- [00:14:22] <tantek>
or to the intended definition of that label
- [00:24:43] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9691 * BenWest * (-84) Mammal - removed nps.gov (404'd)
- [00:25:23] <bewes1>
ugh this is difficult... it's grouped by classification
- [00:26:53] <bewes1>
probably grouping by kind of publication, or publication technique would be better
- [00:27:11] <bewes1>
or even grouping by attempt at resolution
- [00:34:25] <bewes1>
no rel-tag examples?
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- [00:36:47] <bewes1>
hmmm I suppose actual work is better than suggestions?
- [00:36:51] <bewes1>
especially on the wiki
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- [00:37:05] <bewes1>
gah this is a lot of work... I don't want to just reorganize this without any help
- [00:44:01] <bewes1>
ah, I was wrong, Andy's site does use class names as suggested in the proposal, so one of the examples does reflect what he suggests
- [00:45:44] <mfbot>
[[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=9692 * Boneill * (+18) new list proposal - added my votes
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- [00:57:51] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9693 * BenWest * (+2591) suggested an alternative grouping by publish strategy (eventually) and by publisher, also added analysis for species.wikimedia.org
- [00:58:32] <bewes1>
gah I don't see my todo notes being styled
- [00:58:47] <bewes1>
<span class="todo">...</span> should be styled
- [01:06:37] <bewes1>
*phew*
- [01:13:03] * bewes1 really fell down the rabbit hole on that one
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- [02:22:16] <csarven>
tantek is there a content rating schema for microformats? for example; to indicate if the content/media contains any adult subject
- [02:22:31] <csarven>
see www.icra.org
- [02:23:23] <bewes1>
sounds like hreview
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- [02:29:44] <jibot>
remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
- [03:19:24] <tantek>
csarven, tagging works for that
- [03:19:35] <csarven>
like?
- [03:19:47] <tantek>
if something is adult you tag it as "adult"
- [03:20:00] <tantek>
if you want to tag it more specifically, like why it is adult, you can do that too
- [03:20:10] <csarven>
which format would it be picked up by? hreview you mean?
- [03:20:14] <tantek>
if you want to use a specific rating/labeling system, you can use those as tags, and link to the definitions
- [03:20:19] <tantek>
yes
- [03:20:22] <tantek>
or even xFolk
- [03:20:24] <csarven>
ok
- [03:20:49] <csarven>
thanks. will look into this
- [03:25:05] <csarven>
what about following ICRA's scheme. that needs to be implemented then right?
- [03:41:32] <tantek>
you just need URLs for their values
- [03:42:14] <csarven>
oh nice
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- [04:10:37] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9694 * BenWest * (+2389) started group by publishers section
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- [04:45:14] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9695 * BenWest * (-192) Insect - removed the sloe bug link (404)
- [04:53:00] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9696 * BenWest * (-92) Arachnid - nature.com link requires premium subscription. removed
- [04:53:28] <bewes1>
a lot of these examples are just free text
- [04:55:31] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9697 * BenWest * (-137) Arachnid - removed duplicate link requiring premium subscription.
- [04:56:47] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9698 * BenWest * (+73) Arachnid - added a note that this is a duplicate already listed.
- [05:19:49] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9699 * BenWest * (+14) moved my sections to the bottom
- [05:20:40] <mfbot>
[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9700 * BenWest * (+3552) Grouped By Publisher - saved my work for the night.
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- [06:15:07] <Frederic>
morning
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- [06:58:49] <mfbot>
[[licensing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9701 * Mike Linksvayer * (+206) Discussion - too url-happy?
- [07:01:15] <mfbot>
[[licensing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9702 * Mike Linksvayer * (+516) Strawman example - sub-strawman speculatin
- [07:02:46] <mfbot>
[[licensing-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9703 * Mike Linksvayer * (+206) Discussion - oops, can't edit two sections simultaneously and independently, restoring lost changes
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- [09:31:01] <Whiskey_M>
'lo
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9704 * AndyMabbett * (+132) species.mediawiki.org - response
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9705 * AndyMabbett * (+138)
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9706 * AndyMabbett * (+116) Arachnid - replace rewmoved link
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[[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9707 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Arachnid -
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9708 * AndyMabbett * (-8644) moving for page length
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[[species-examples-regrouped]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/species-examples-regrouped * AndyMabbett * (+8669) moved
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[[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9709 * AndyMabbett * (+56)
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[[species-examples-regrouped]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9710 * AndyMabbett * (-2)
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9711 * AndyMabbett * (+109) Mammal - replace removed example#
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[[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9715 * AndyMabbett * (+40) West Midland Bird Club - correction
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[[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9716 * AndyMabbett * (+77) West Midland Bird Club - further detail
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[[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9717 * AndyMabbett * (+184) West Midland Bird Club - another example
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GRrr, why doesn't colloquy remember my ignores :@
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9733 * AndyMabbett * (+8) Proposal - update
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another good post on the recent WSG meeting: http://cazmockett.blogspot.com/2006/10/wsg-london-2-microformats.html
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- [18:11:46] <tommorris>
Look what I just found - http://fresh.t-systems-sfr.com/unix/src/www/WebCalendar-devel-1.1.1.tar.gz:a/WebCalendar-1.1.1/includes/classes/hKit/hcal.profile.php
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An hKit profile for hCal
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- [18:18:09] <tommorris>
It works too - just tested it.
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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- [18:43:09] <drewinthehead>
woah .. that's awesome tommorris
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- [19:01:15] <drewinthehead>
how did you find that, tommorris?
- [19:01:43] <tantek>
please add that to hCalendar implementations on the wiki
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=9734 * DrewMcLellan * (+211) Libraries - - Added link to hCalendar profile for hKit (PHP section)
- [19:12:55] <drewinthehead>
as requested :)
- [19:16:48] <drewinthehead>
this is what i look like when giving a microformats presentation.. http://flickr.com/photos/kurafire/276428427/
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- [19:31:56] <tantek>
very nice drew
- [19:32:22] <drewinthehead>
next time i'll try to remember to face the audience ;)
- [19:35:37] <tantek>
it looks like a studio shot
- [19:36:20] <drewinthehead>
faruk had a monster lens on his camera .. like a really serious pap lens
- [19:36:28] * bewes1 wonders why andy is editing the wiki on behalf of charles roper
- [19:37:18] <tantek>
bewes1, any particular edit you are concerned about?
- [19:38:01] <bewes1>
http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9715 was performed by andy, but contains comments from charles roper
- [19:39:03] <tantek>
hmm... that is a bit odd. perhaps it was a copy and paste from another page?
- [19:39:12] <bewes1>
I don't think so
- [19:39:20] <bewes1>
andy moved my work from species-examples to here
- [19:39:33] <bewes1>
and then performed this edit some time after that
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still might be possible though; who knows
- [19:40:24] <bewes1>
I don't mind the comment being there, since it kind of proves my point
- [19:43:22] <bewes1>
hehe "drew points to the light"
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=9735 * 2006@malarkey.co.uk * (-223)
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=9736 * 2006@malarkey.co.uk * (-2)
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- [20:29:10] <tommorris>
drew - Google code search ".profile.php"
- [20:29:12] <tantek>
never seen someone use an email address as a wiki username before.
- [20:31:38] <tommorris>
drewinthehead - I'm not getting very sensible results from it though - http://tools.opiumfield.com/hkit/test.php5
- [20:32:44] <drewinthehead>
the thing that's stopped me doing an hCalendar profile so far is that i need to design a method of using multiple profiles at once
- [20:32:56] <drewinthehead>
for hCalendar, you're going to need to know about hCard too, right?
- [20:33:41] <tommorris>
Not necessarily - it would be useful but not necessary
- [20:34:01] <drewinthehead>
what i'm thinking at the moment is that the profile parameter could be an array of profiles
- [20:34:33] <tommorris>
That would be useful. I'm not sure why I'm getting the results like this.
- [20:35:08] <tommorris>
There's whitespace problems - http://tools.opiumfield.com/hkit/test.php5?url=http://upcoming.org/event/112576/
- [20:36:33] <drewinthehead>
doesn't look too bad
- [20:36:55] <drewinthehead>
what whitespace in particular?
- [20:37:17] <tommorris>
Well, lots of words are put together - in the description, for instance.
- [20:37:38] <tommorris>
http://tools.opiumfield.com/hkit/test.php5?url=http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/2006-10.htm
- [20:38:02] <drewinthehead>
ah ok
- [20:38:08] <drewinthehead>
that's quite likely to be my bug
- [20:38:40] <drewinthehead>
i've developed mostly against hCard at the moment, which tends to have just short strings of text where this stuff is less likely to happen
- [20:39:59] <tommorris>
Okay. I'll take a look through the code and see what I can find.
- [20:42:45] <tommorris>
Got it - lines 287/288 in hkit.class.php
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[[events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup&diff=0&oldid=9737 * Adactio * (+211) Photos -
- [20:44:20] <tommorris>
It'll probably break other stuff - but it's just adding a space in the replace part of the regex on line 287
- [20:44:21] <drewinthehead>
ah, linebreaks.
- [20:44:46] <tommorris>
Everything else I can fix easily by using PHP functions like htmlspecialchars etc.
- [20:45:12] <drewinthehead>
perhaps replace breaks with a space and then remove double spaces
- [20:45:39] <drewinthehead>
oh, which is what i'm doing already
- [20:45:41] <drewinthehead>
man.
- [20:46:17] <drewinthehead>
this code sucks
- [20:46:31] <tommorris>
I've just run it and I can't find any double spaces.
- [20:47:26] <tommorris>
The only thing that would be useful would be if the hCal profile took out the timestamp from the title on the DT elements rather than the text content.
- [20:48:50] <drewinthehead>
you can set it to do that
- [20:48:52] <drewinthehead>
let me look
- [20:49:14] <tommorris>
Presumably it's in the $this->att_map
- [20:49:32] <drewinthehead>
right
- [20:49:52] <drewinthehead>
'dtstart' => array('ABBR|title')
- [20:50:12] <drewinthehead>
although, to be honest, it should be looking for title on ABBR by default
- [20:50:28] <tommorris>
Do I have to put in all the possible options? Some sites use SPAN or DIV (or even TD) elements
- [20:51:14] <drewinthehead>
no, these are just special cases to coerce
- [20:51:44] <drewinthehead>
it should always fall back to basic common sense
- [20:52:44] <drewinthehead>
line 276 should be catching the titles
- [20:53:08] <drewinthehead>
(i take it back, some of this code is ace :) )
- [20:54:40] <tommorris>
It's brilliant - it's saved me about fifty headaches.
- [20:55:01] <drewinthehead>
yay! :)
- [20:55:09] <tommorris>
Oh no, sorry - I was being absent-minded. It is showing the datestamp properly.
- [20:55:16] <drewinthehead>
hah
- [20:56:00] <tommorris>
I just haven't coded the source page properly to add the time stamp.
- [20:56:25] <tommorris>
Sorry about that - in that case, a big congratulations - your code now has hCal support! ;>
- [20:57:25] <drewinthehead>
w00t!
- [20:57:45] <tommorris>
Another step down the "make microformats easy for noobs" route.
- [20:58:53] <tantek>
nice work gentlemen
- [20:59:16] * drewinthehead doffs his cap
- [20:59:31] <tommorris>
Next step, hReview. But now, I think it's time for a drink.
- [20:59:46] * drewinthehead is already on the Old Peculiar
- [21:00:06] <tommorris>
I meant to thank you, Drew, for an excellent talk on Thursday.
- [21:02:50] <drewinthehead>
ah, glad you liked it. i was a bit apprehensive - don't normally do presentations
- [21:03:20] <tommorris>
No, it went well.
- [21:03:27] <drewinthehead>
:)
- [21:05:30] <tommorris>
I've got the podcasts of all the sessions which I'll be burning in to the brains of everyone who needs to know.
- [21:07:44] <mcknut>
ah, hello drewinthehead, afraid I missed most of your talk on Thursday :-/
- [21:08:07] <mcknut>
but what I saw was good :)
- [21:08:40] <drewinthehead>
:)
- [21:08:59] <mcknut>
oh actually, getting the order mixed up, I saw all of yours
- [21:09:42] <mcknut>
afraid I haven't done my homework yet, but I have put mac support into tails export, which I think is a good enough excuse ;)
- [21:10:03] <drewinthehead>
yeah, that'll do :)
- [21:10:08] <drewinthehead>
i was on last
- [21:10:30] <mcknut>
yeah, you were ghost of microformats future
- [21:11:33] <tantek>
be sure to add the podcasts to http://microformats.org/wiki/podcasts
- [21:12:44] * tommorris won a Yahoo USB stick!
- [21:13:04] <drewinthehead>
exciting!
- [21:13:04] <tommorris>
s/won/was given unexpectedly for asking a question
- [21:14:36] <mcknut>
hehe
- [21:15:19] <drewinthehead>
i'm turning in. catchya later guys.
- [21:15:37] <tommorris>
Seeya - thanks for the help with hKit
- [21:15:47] <mcknut>
nn
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=9738 * AndyMabbett * (+144) Proprietary attribute - W3C validator barfs
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drew, in case you are still around, could you take a look at http://allinthehead.com/demo/include.html and see if there are any errant 'data' attributes on <a> tags?
- [21:37:29] <tommorris>
Just found out - Facebook use hCal for their events pages.
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=9739 * TomMorris * (+70) Examples in the wild - added facebook
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neat
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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