IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-11-25
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factoryjoe is Chris Messina
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rtomayko is tracking the free culture movement http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/freeculture/
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[[marked-for-deletion]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=marked-for-deletion&diff=0&oldid=2963 * RyanKing * (+12) added "intro"
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[[intro]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=intro&diff=0&oldid=2964 * RyanKing * (+62)
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RobertBachmann is in Austria
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RobertBachmann is in Austria
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[[hcard-parsing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing&diff=0&oldid=2965 * Tantek * (-170) br and pre already handled by whitespace handling section, no need to repeat.
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- [18:22:03] <neuro`>
good evening
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[[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=2966 * Tantek * (+498)
- [18:28:25] <RobertBachmann>
hi neuro`
- [18:29:03] <neuro`>
Hello Robert
- [18:33:31] <arty_name>
Hello
- [18:34:36] <arty_name>
may I use a little bit of your help if you have some free time now?
- [18:36:02] <neuro`>
Why don't you ask directly and just stop wasting our precious time?
- [18:38:41] <arty_name>
Oh, sorry. I am arguing about Behaviour javascript library now, and my opponent says that goal of this library can be reached more easily using microformats.
- [18:39:36] <arty_name>
The goal is to assing handlers to multiple elements using CSS selectors.
- [18:40:09] <arty_name>
The opponent says somewhat like "microformats allow you to use elements without using strong hiearachy, they're like shortcuts to entities"
- [18:40:55] <arty_name>
Does he understand goal of microformats correctly?
- [18:41:51] <neuro`>
Let me read it some times more
- [18:42:31] <neuro`>
Microformats are shortcut to problem solutions
- [18:43:12] <neuro`>
My English may suck, but I don't understand the meaning behind "shortcut to entities"
- [18:43:52] <arty_name>
sorry, english is not my native : (
- [18:44:29] <arty_name>
this may be translated as "handles to objects" too
- [18:44:44] <arty_name>
i just tries to translate his words exactly
- [18:44:48] <arty_name>
*tried
- [18:45:26] <neuro`>
What is your native language?
- [18:45:29] <arty_name>
russian
- [18:45:38] <neuro`>
Won't help me
- [18:45:58] <arty_name>
: (
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- [18:47:26] <jibot>
lgonze is Lucas Gonze and blogs at http://www.gonze.com/
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- [18:51:09] <arty_name>
well, let's try another way: do I understand goal of microformats correctly? I think they are needed just to mark bits of information so that PC can understand their meaning, and nothing more.
- [18:53:37] <RobertBachmann>
arty_name: IMO having semantic class names makes java scripting easier.
- [18:53:37] <RobertBachmann>
Having semantic class names is a part microformats (see http://microformats.org/wiki/class-design-pattern)
- [18:53:37] <RobertBachmann>
but sematic class names are not an exclusive to microformats any HTML document may (and IMO should) use semantic class names.
- [18:55:11] <RobertBachmann>
The aim of every microformat is to add machine readable information on top of existing information which is published in HTML.
- [18:55:16] <arty_name>
is 'microformats' just a short name for 'semantic class names', like ajax for some other technologies combined?
- [18:56:04] <RobertBachmann>
no it isn't.
- [18:57:38] <arty_name>
> The aim of every microformat is to add machine readable information on top of existing information which is published in HTML. -- that's what i was trying to say by "to mark bits of information so that PC can understand their meaning"
- [18:59:00] <mfbot>
[[mailing-lists]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-lists * Tantek * (+1473) created and provided a few general areas of topics for the discuss, dev, and rest lists
- [18:59:31] <mfbot>
[[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=2967 * Tantek * (-9) fix lists
- [19:00:02] <mfbot>
[[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=2968 * Tantek * (+22) good topics for discussion -
- [19:06:21] <RobertBachmann>
arty_name: your definition is correct (if we replace PC with computers). I only tried to give you a more verbose definiton.
- [19:08:36] <arty_name>
thanks : )
- [19:10:37] <arty_name>
do microformats have any other purposes?
- [19:12:04] <Tantek>
arty_name, see http://microformats.org/about/
- [19:13:59] <arty_name>
Tantek, i have already read this page and some others from wiki, but was not sure if info was up-to-date
- [19:15:51] <arty_name>
well, thanks for the answers, now I think that my opponent looks into too far future
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[[rest]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest&diff=0&oldid=2969 * DrErnie * (+245) Topics -
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=2970 * Tantek * (+127) first spanish language hCalendar event I've found in the wild
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- [22:15:28] <jibot>
RobertBachmann is in Austria
- [22:18:32] <RobertBachmann>
Hello
- [22:18:33] <RobertBachmann>
I've done some changes to http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2005-11-25 :
- [22:18:33] <RobertBachmann>
1. Show/Hide JOIN's,QUIT's, MODE's and messages by jibot and mflogbot.
- [22:18:33] <RobertBachmann>
2. Fragment highlighting, for example http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2005-11-25#T221528
- [22:18:33] <RobertBachmann>
What do you think?
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