IRC Log for #microformats on 2005-11-25

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  23. [06:56:29] <mfbot> [[marked-for-deletion]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=marked-for-deletion&diff=0&oldid=2963 * RyanKing * (+12) added "intro"
  24. [06:56:35] <mfbot> [[intro]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=intro&diff=0&oldid=2964 * RyanKing * (+62)
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  54. [14:22:51] <jibot> RobertBachmann is in Austria
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  61. [17:32:08] <jibot> RobertBachmann is in Austria
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  65. [18:14:57] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing&diff=0&oldid=2965 * Tantek * (-170) br and pre already handled by whitespace handling section, no need to repeat.
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  68. [18:22:03] <neuro`> good evening
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  70. [18:27:58] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=2966 * Tantek * (+498)
  71. [18:28:25] <RobertBachmann> hi neuro`
  72. [18:29:03] <neuro`> Hello Robert
  73. [18:33:31] <arty_name> Hello
  74. [18:34:36] <arty_name> may I use a little bit of your help if you have some free time now?
  75. [18:36:02] <neuro`> Why don't you ask directly and just stop wasting our precious time?
  76. [18:38:41] <arty_name> Oh, sorry. I am arguing about Behaviour javascript library now, and my opponent says that goal of this library can be reached more easily using microformats.
  77. [18:39:36] <arty_name> The goal is to assing handlers to multiple elements using CSS selectors.
  78. [18:40:09] <arty_name> The opponent says somewhat like "microformats allow you to use elements without using strong hiearachy, they're like shortcuts to entities"
  79. [18:40:55] <arty_name> Does he understand goal of microformats correctly?
  80. [18:41:51] <neuro`> Let me read it some times more
  81. [18:42:31] <neuro`> Microformats are shortcut to problem solutions
  82. [18:43:12] <neuro`> My English may suck, but I don't understand the meaning behind "shortcut to entities"
  83. [18:43:52] <arty_name> sorry, english is not my native : (
  84. [18:44:29] <arty_name> this may be translated as "handles to objects" too
  85. [18:44:44] <arty_name> i just tries to translate his words exactly
  86. [18:44:48] <arty_name> *tried
  87. [18:45:26] <neuro`> What is your native language?
  88. [18:45:29] <arty_name> russian
  89. [18:45:38] <neuro`> Won't help me
  90. [18:45:58] <arty_name> : (
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  92. [18:47:26] <jibot> lgonze is Lucas Gonze and blogs at http://www.gonze.com/
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  94. [18:51:09] <arty_name> well, let's try another way: do I understand goal of microformats correctly? I think they are needed just to mark bits of information so that PC can understand their meaning, and nothing more.
  95. [18:53:37] <RobertBachmann> arty_name: IMO having semantic class names makes java scripting easier.
  96. [18:53:37] <RobertBachmann> Having semantic class names is a part microformats (see http://microformats.org/wiki/class-design-pattern)
  97. [18:53:37] <RobertBachmann> but sematic class names are not an exclusive to microformats any HTML document may (and IMO should) use semantic class names.
  98. [18:55:11] <RobertBachmann> The aim of every microformat is to add machine readable information on top of existing information which is published in HTML.
  99. [18:55:16] <arty_name> is 'microformats' just a short name for 'semantic class names', like ajax for some other technologies combined?
  100. [18:56:04] <RobertBachmann> no it isn't.
  101. [18:57:38] <arty_name> > The aim of every microformat is to add machine readable information on top of existing information which is published in HTML. -- that's what i was trying to say by "to mark bits of information so that PC can understand their meaning"
  102. [18:59:00] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-lists * Tantek * (+1473) created and provided a few general areas of topics for the discuss, dev, and rest lists
  103. [18:59:31] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=2967 * Tantek * (-9) fix lists
  104. [19:00:02] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=2968 * Tantek * (+22) good topics for discussion -
  105. [19:06:21] <RobertBachmann> arty_name: your definition is correct (if we replace PC with computers). I only tried to give you a more verbose definiton.
  106. [19:08:36] <arty_name> thanks : )
  107. [19:10:37] <arty_name> do microformats have any other purposes?
  108. [19:12:04] <Tantek> arty_name, see http://microformats.org/about/
  109. [19:13:59] <arty_name> Tantek, i have already read this page and some others from wiki, but was not sure if info was up-to-date
  110. [19:15:51] <arty_name> well, thanks for the answers, now I think that my opponent looks into too far future
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  119. [20:43:11] <mfbot> [[rest]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest&diff=0&oldid=2969 * DrErnie * (+245) Topics -
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  124. [21:58:09] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=2970 * Tantek * (+127) first spanish language hCalendar event I've found in the wild
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  127. [22:15:28] <jibot> RobertBachmann is in Austria
  128. [22:18:32] <RobertBachmann> Hello
  129. [22:18:33] <RobertBachmann> I've done some changes to http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2005-11-25 :
  130. [22:18:33] <RobertBachmann> 1. Show/Hide JOIN's,QUIT's, MODE's and messages by jibot and mflogbot.
  131. [22:18:33] <RobertBachmann> 2. Fragment highlighting, for example http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2005-11-25#T221528
  132. [22:18:33] <RobertBachmann> What do you think?
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