IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-01-02
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t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
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[[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=3666 * Heel1983 * (+4646)
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[[hbib]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hbib * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=3667 * Heel1983 * (+4796)
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[[Talk:hcard]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcard * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[rel-license]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license&diff=0&oldid=3668 * Heel1983 * (+4756)
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[[Talk:geo]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:geo * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[hreview-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-issues * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:rel-enclosure]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rel-enclosure * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:relpayment-research]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:relpayment-research * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:adr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:adr * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:rel-nofollow]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rel-nofollow * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:implementations]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:implementations * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[rel-home-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-home-issues * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[rel-bookmark]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-bookmark * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:xfolk]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xfolk * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:class-design-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:class-design-pattern * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[RobertBachmann]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/RobertBachmann * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:rel-design-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rel-design-pattern * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:datetime-design-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:datetime-design-pattern * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:chat-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:chat-examples * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:examples * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:comments-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:comments-formats * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:cite]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:cite * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:rest/forms-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rest/forms-examples * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:blog-description-format]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:blog-description-format * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[User:ChristopherA]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ChristopherA * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:table-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:table-examples * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:search-results-example]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:search-results-example * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:tagspeak-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:tagspeak-examples * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:transit-table-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:transit-table-examples * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:xmdp-faq]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xmdp-faq * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:zen-garden]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:zen-garden * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:icalendar-implementations]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:icalendar-implementations * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:parsing-microformats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:parsing-microformats * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:why-are-content-standards-hard]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:why-are-content-standards-hard * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:demo]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:demo * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Talk:faqs-for-rdf]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:faqs-for-rdf * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[hcalendar-profile]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-profile * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[xfn-実装]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-%E5%AE%9F%E8%A3%85 * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[User talk:DavidJanes]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:DavidJanes * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Microformats talk:General disclaimer]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Microformats_talk:General_disclaimer * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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[[Help talk:Contents]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Help_talk:Contents * Heel1983 * (+4596)
- [00:59:21] <mburns>
well, that is annoying
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[[Talk:Main Page]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page * Heel1983 * (+4596)
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- [02:07:39] <jibot>
kingryan is ryan king
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- [02:15:09] <Atamido>
Is there any way to undo every change by the spam bot at once?
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- [02:16:42] <kingryan>
don't think so
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) blocked "User:Heel1983" with an expiry time of 5000 hours: spammer
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[[process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=3669 * RyanKing * (-4646) Reverted edit of Heel1983, changed back to last version by Ragdoll
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) deleted "hbib": spam
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=3670 * RyanKing * (-4796) Reverted edit of Heel1983, changed back to last version by RyanKing
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[[rel-license]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license&diff=0&oldid=3671 * RyanKing * (-4756) Reverted edit of Heel1983, changed back to last version by RyanKing
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- [02:21:10] <Tantek>
hey Ryan, are you listening to the channel
- [02:21:19] <kingryan>
yeah
- [02:21:38] <Tantek>
we used to have content on Main_Page:Talk
- [02:21:46] <Tantek>
the only Talk page that did
- [02:21:53] <kingryan>
yeah not sure what happened there
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- [02:22:35] <Tantek>
ah, looks like you deleted it Dec 25
- [02:22:40] <Tantek>
how grinch-like! :p
- [02:22:46] <kingryan>
it appears I deleted it
- [02:23:01] <kingryan>
yeah, midnight on chrismas I was spam-fighting
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) restored "Talk:Main Page"
- [02:24:14] <kingryan>
ok I "restored" them, but they seem to have disappeared
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- [02:25:15] <Tantek>
whoa, "there is no edit history"!
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) deleted "Talk:rest/forms-examples": spam
- [02:25:20] <kingryan>
yeah
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) deleted "Talk:blog-description-format": spam
- [02:25:33] <kingryan>
I'll look in the db to see if its still there
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- [02:26:55] <Tantek>
very odd, i had to delete the page to make the history show back up
- [02:27:12] <kingryan>
weird
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) restored "Talk:Main Page": 1 revisions restored
- [02:27:49] <Tantek>
ah, the trick is that you have to [x] check the version you want restored
- [02:28:05] <Tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page looks good to me now, someone else want to verify?
- [02:28:25] <kingryan>
looks good to me
- [02:28:52] <Tantek>
cool
- [02:28:59] * Tantek realizes he took care of a few things on that list.
- [02:30:56] <mfbot>
[[Talk:Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=3831 * Tantek * (+19) attention has been contributed, and is being processed.
- [02:31:08] <Tantek>
thanks for cleaning the spam Ryan!
- [02:34:42] <kingryan>
on another subject, tantek have you read Gödel, Escher, Bach?
- [02:43:40] <Tantek>
only a few pages here and there
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- [02:43:55] <Tantek>
did you finish it over the holidays?
- [02:44:00] <kingryan>
no, started it
- [02:44:01] <kingryan>
:D
- [02:44:33] <kingryan>
anyway, there's a good description of "formal systems" in there, which was for me, a review, but it got me thinking about naming in mf's
- [02:44:35] <Tantek>
so what you're saying is that your reading of it is "incomplete" ;)
- [02:44:40] <kingryan>
yes
- [02:46:29] <kingryan>
the author, trying to explain formals systems to people who may not have a university-level science/math education painstakingly emphasizes that isomorphisms used to understand formal systems should only be used to understand the formal system to the point that they're useful and are truly isomorphic
- [02:46:56] <Tantek>
heh
- [02:48:08] <kingryan>
and I think we have this problem with data formats and software architecture
- [02:48:26] <kingryan>
which is all really data-design
- [02:48:38] <Tantek>
of course, the microformats approach dictates that the formal system be based on existing beahvior, rather than a theoretical system
- [02:48:48] <Tantek>
which is the problem with the GEB approach
- [02:48:51] <kingryan>
which is attempt to create an isomorphic transformation from the real-world to the computer world
- [02:49:03] <kingryan>
right
- [02:49:07] <kingryan>
but the real world changes
- [02:49:10] <Tantek>
actually, from real-world behavior on computers
- [02:49:15] <Tantek>
not just "real-world"
- [02:49:16] <kingryan>
yeah
- [02:49:18] <Tantek>
that would be much more difficult
- [02:49:44] <kingryan>
yeah
- [02:50:05] <kingryan>
but I just think it'd be useful to remember that we're dealing with two different senses of the word "semantic"
- [02:50:26] <kingryan>
the semantics of the real computer world and formal data semantics
- [02:50:38] <kingryan>
which, in the case of mf's are nearly the same
- [02:50:48] <kingryan>
we've merged the two semantics
- [02:51:19] <Tantek>
the microformats assertion is that formal data semantics are only useful in that they represent real world semantics
- [02:51:36] <kingryan>
yeah
- [02:51:41] <Tantek>
thus formal data semantics in isolation have no place in microformats (though they do in other standards efforts)
- [02:51:45] <kingryan>
which is, I think, a unique assertion
- [02:51:53] <mfbot>
[[cite]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cite&diff=0&oldid=3832 * RCanine * (+270) Questions -
- [02:51:54] <kingryan>
innovation, even
- [02:53:23] <Tantek>
yes
- [02:54:49] <Tantek>
historically, formats designers have begun with formal data semantics and later attempted to map them onto the real world, or make people map themselves into the formal data semantics
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- [04:22:50] <jibot>
t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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t1m is http://tim.textdriven.com/
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is it allowed to add own classes / ids to an applied microformat that are individual to the site ?
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- [17:29:43] <megaman>
e.g. <div id="contact" class="vcard contact"> [....] </div> or something :)
- [17:31:06] <_fil_>
yes of course
- [17:31:44] <megaman>
ok, just wanted to be sure :)
- [17:32:59] <megaman>
im discussing (inspired by microformats) good markup for tabs that can dynamically get changed via css/js
- [17:35:49] <bergie>
hey, anybody know a "hTodo" spec yet?
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- [17:47:33] <fuzzyBSc>
bergie: I haven't heard of one, however all of the other rfc2445 components seem to be making their way into uf land... If you have a use case and plenty of examples you might consider starting one off.
- [17:49:07] <bergie>
fuzzyBSc: well, I'm just writing spec for Midgard's new task list component
- [17:49:57] <bergie>
in hCalendar page there is mention that "Policy Aware Web (PAW) Project Meeting (http://www.policyawareweb.org/2005/ftf2/paw-mtg) uses hCalendar to record date-related decisions, and uses a vtodo microformat to record action items."
- [17:59:01] <fuzzyBSc>
bergie: Hrmm... ok then. I'm suspicious that hCalendar theoretically includes vtodo, then. See hcalendar-examples and hcalendar-brainstorming for more mentions.
- [17:59:17] <bergie>
ok, I'll keep looking
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- [18:07:05] <fuzzyBSc>
I also seem to rember tantek mentioning something about vjournal already theoretically being part of hCalendar, and that was a reason for hAtom to take very seriously exactly how the two relate. I have to admit I wasn't clear enough about what was going on to take all of that in at the time, though. I haven't found the exact quote to work from, either.
- [18:15:06] <bergie>
vJournal is interesting... I wonder if any clients actually support that
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- [18:21:07] <fuzzyBSc>
bergie: I don't know :) I don't think it has ever been used for blogging, but the two concepts of vjournal and atom are connected.
- [18:21:27] <fuzzyBSc>
Oh tantek :)
- [18:21:27] <fuzzyBSc>
I just sent you an email.
- [18:21:41] <fuzzyBSc>
I won't be up much longer, though.
- [18:21:52] <Tantek>
greetings
- [18:21:58] <bergie>
fuzzyBsc: yep, vJournal is not that necessary as sufficient blog formats exists. But for syndicating meeting notes maybe...
- [18:22:12] <bergie>
fuzzyBsd: anyway, for my current case vTodo is more relevant
- [18:23:09] <fuzzyBSc>
tantek: Is it correct to say that hCalendar includes vtodo, so a todo microformat currently exists?
- [18:23:23] <Tantek>
yes, though no one has tried it yet
- [18:23:35] <Tantek>
AFAIK
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- [18:25:07] <fuzzyBSc>
tantek: To summarise my email, is "<span class="description"><span class="summary">Short Title</span> to a longer article</span>" from hcalendar-brainstorming a valid nesting? Does the answer to that question or any implementation experience bourne out of the question have any impact on hAtom's opacity rules?
- [18:25:55] <bergie>
Tantek: OK, I could experiment a bit with "hTodo" in our task manager and post some notes
- [18:26:06] <bergie>
won't happen before next week though
- [18:31:02] <fuzzyBSc>
bergie: Yeah, that PAW link does make minimal use of vtodo elements. A log bot appears to mark up discussion thusly when it sees an ACTION: marker at the beginning of text.
- [18:33:54] <fuzzyBSc>
Anyway, I must sleep. Have fun all.
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- [18:36:46] <Tantek>
fuzzy, re: nesting, yes, that's valid, and folks have done that and X2V and Technorati's Events Feed Service support that
- [18:40:33] <Tantek>
bergie, I look forward to the results from your experiments
- [18:40:48] <Tantek>
keep in touch, and let me know if you run into any issues
- [18:41:04] <bergie>
sure :-)
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- [21:15:37] <Tantek>
ok, phew
- [21:16:02] <Tantek>
Added a bunch of feedback/proposals/opinions to hAtom-issues, if you are working on hAtom, please take a look.
- [21:16:35] <Tantek>
Also, if you are an editor working on a microformat spec, *please* take a look at the new naming-principles page and help me remember what I've forgotten. :)
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http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles
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[[naming-principles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=naming-principles&diff=0&oldid=3846 * Kevin Marks * (-1) Examples of Following the Naming Principles - fix url typo
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