IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-02-13

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  3. [00:21:13] <mfbot> [[resume-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4918 * Brian * (+198) Addition of OBJECT call-backs in X2V
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  23. [04:24:29] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & working at Technorati & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & the spidermeist
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  38. [07:46:53] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  43. [09:11:21] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  46. [09:27:48] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  53. [11:01:28] <jibot> blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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  71. [13:59:20] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  75. [14:16:47] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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  86. [15:45:23] <mfbot> [[naming-principles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=naming-principles&diff=0&oldid=4919 * Tantek * (+8)
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  93. [16:26:26] <pnhChris> so, i've taken a stab at hatom'ing the blog portion of http://chunkysoup.net but I'm not real sure how to deal with the page author designation
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  95. [16:27:57] <pnhChris> i've vcarded my name in the footer of the page, but not used address because of the content, and at the moment it sites outside of the hfeed'ed element as well
  96. [16:29:00] <tantek> chris, that's a good point to note on hatom-issues
  97. [16:29:14] <pnhChris> theres already an issue
  98. [16:29:16] <pnhChris> i think
  99. [16:29:29] <tantek> add your example to that issue then
  100. [16:29:37] <pnhChris> i brought this up last week, but had no code at that point
  101. [16:29:47] <tantek> so that folks working on resolving the issue can use your example as a point of discussion
  102. [16:29:50] * pnhChris nods
  103. [16:29:55] <tantek> thanks!
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  107. [16:37:34] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  108. [16:38:26] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4920 * ChrisCasciano * (+490) Designating the page author -
  109. [16:41:32] <pnhChris> there's another issue i ran into when thinking about the content on that page .. tags that represent then page content, but aren't links
  110. [16:41:50] <pnhChris> (see my awful and old copy at the top)
  111. [16:44:23] <trovster> Link them to the page which groups the tags together.
  112. [16:45:47] <pnhChris> i don't want to.. i don't use them as "tags" in the conventional manner.. and the blog doesn't organize by tags.. .its just copy that if i were to hatom things they'd behave more like pulling keywrods out of the text
  113. [16:46:02] <pnhChris> .. then convetional tags in technorati or delicious
  114. [16:46:34] <pnhChris> for now i just left them in the html page textwith no assocuation to the hfeed
  115. [16:47:47] <pnhChris> but they could be repurposed ... i just don't want them as <a>s
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  118. [17:15:39] <tantek> chris, that's part of what tags require, is to actually make them *mean* something specifically by linking them, even if it is just to your own personal tagspace.
  119. [17:16:34] <tantek> typical blog software (e.g. Wordpress, MT) creates category index pages which are suitable for use as tag links
  120. [17:17:39] <pnhChris> yes
  121. [17:18:51] <pnhChris> this is an odd case though, because the site is already a subset (of 1) of the categories used on another site
  122. [17:21:10] <pnhChris> so there really isn't a local tag space
  123. [17:21:42] <pnhChris> just some potential keywords in the content
  124. [17:23:22] <trovster> Seems kind of pointless then.
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  126. [17:34:41] <pnhChris> useful in that it could define a category(-ies) for the atom output generatd from the hatom..
  127. [17:35:44] <pnhChris> at the moment the conventional atom feed offers a <category term="web" /> with each entry, though my html doesn't present that information
  128. [17:45:51] <pnhChris> i'm not really looking for a resolution... just throwing it out there as something i ran across while adding hatom elements to that template
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  135. [18:07:06] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  137. [18:16:39] <tantek> chris, note that Atom categories have the equivalent of a tagspace as well
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  141. [18:26:31] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  146. [18:39:07] <jibot> factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp & Rhyzomatic & is working towards open source world domination & factorycityblug (http://factoryjoe.com/blog/) & looks like http://www.flickr.com/photos/dotben/70970770/
  147. [18:40:10] <mfbot> [[User:Eron Wright]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Eron_Wright * Eron Wright * (+100)
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  149. [18:42:26] <mfbot> [[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4921 * Eron Wright * (-121) Google Earth XML -
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  153. [18:44:37] <mfbot> [[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4922 * Eron Wright * (+30) Google Earth XML -
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  155. [18:46:33] <mfbot> [[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4923 * Eron Wright * (+90) Google Earth XML -
  156. [18:46:44] <mfbot> [[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4924 * Eron Wright * (+14) Authors -
  157. [18:50:01] <mfbot> [[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4925 * Eron Wright * (+218) What People are Publishing -
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  163. [19:17:28] <jibot> limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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  166. [19:32:29] <mfbot> [[hash-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hash-examples&diff=0&oldid=4927 * Eron Wright * (+355)
  167. [19:36:06] <mfbot> [[hash-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hash-examples&diff=0&oldid=4928 * Eron Wright * (+135)
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  169. [19:43:46] <mfbot> [[last-modified-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=last-modified-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4929 * Eron Wright * (+386)
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  176. [19:58:30] <jibot> blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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  178. [20:11:16] <Atamido> Note to self: Get a ticket to SXSW.
  179. [20:16:52] <DanC> hmm... SXSW... could I make room for that on my travel schedule? quite possibly... it would bump this security workshop...
  180. [20:17:46] <DanC> so... do lots of people publish their travel schedules in hCalendar? would be cool to show a "who's going to SXSW?" SPARQL query
  181. [20:18:21] <DanC> tantek's going, per http://tantek.com/log/2005/12.html
  182. [20:18:42] <DanC> hmm.. no thoughts in Jan? blog hosed?
  183. [20:19:31] <DanC> ah... sxsw is on http://www.microformats.org/ too.
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  200. [22:04:13] <Ragdoll> Slightly off topic: Does anyone know anything Web Essentials 06?
  201. [22:05:07] <Ragdoll> Or, at least, what was the admission price to attend WE05?
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  206. [22:41:48] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4931 * Tantek * (+482) Added alternatives for "content" to help resolve that issue.
  207. [22:42:39] <tantek> ragdoll, did you already browse through we05.com looking for the price(s)?
  208. [22:42:53] <tantek> they had the main admission price, plus there were a couple optional pay-for events.
  209. [22:43:11] <Ragdoll> Yeah, I've looked, but I just see "we had fun" type stuff there.
  210. [22:44:02] * tantek checks
  211. [22:44:19] <tantek> BTW, folks, I'd like to point you to the hAtom content issue: http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom-issues#Entry_Content_.28atom:content.29
  212. [22:44:36] <tantek> IMHO this is the #1 issue to resolve on hAtom in order to continue making progress.
  213. [22:44:59] <tantek> suggested alternatives welcome, votes on alternatives welcome, additional discussion welcome
  214. [22:45:31] <tantek> I'd like to resolve the 'content' issue ASAP so we can continue being able to experiment with hAtom in the wild, and working on additional issues.
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  220. [22:59:55] <pnhChris> perhaps i'm asking a noobish question.. but is there some reason something like hcontent hasn't been mentioned there as an option?
  221. [23:00:36] <pnhChris> did i miss a rule/convention on naming somewhere?
  222. [23:03:44] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=4932 * RyanKing * (+5) Nomenclature - fixing class verbiage
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  224. [23:28:10] <KevinMarks> hm, I never finished my email on the 'content' issue
  225. [23:32:29] <tantek> KevinMarks, thought you were going to blog about it :)
  226. [23:33:08] <KevinMarks> going by existign in the world examples we see class="post-body" (blogspot) class="articleBody" (blogware) class="post" (wordpress)
  227. [23:33:48] <tantek> pnhChris, go ahead and add it to the list. I omitted "hcontent" because there is an implied (not explicit / nor hard and fast) convention that the "h..." class names are root microformat content class names, and "content" is not something we as its own root.
  228. [23:34:50] <KevinMarks> class="entry-content" or class="entry-body" for typepad (some distinction there I'm missing perhaps)
  229. [23:34:51] <tantek> KevinMarks, we go by existing world examples to determine *which* *conceptual* fields/properties go into the 80/20 schema, and then we used existing established formats to pick names for them.
  230. [23:35:28] <KevinMarks> right, and then we fell out the bottom of that with "content", so I'm looking for exampels again
  231. [23:35:37] <tantek> Kevin, if there is one that you prefer (more than "entry-content" or "atom-content"), go ahead and add it to the list and +1 it.
  232. [23:36:16] <tantek> well, just because we can't use "content", doesn't mean we can't use "content" somewhere *in* the name
  233. [23:36:27] <KevinMarks> yes, that makes sense
  234. [23:36:33] <tantek> I still consider that some level of reuse from Atom, even if the string isn't precisely the same.
  235. [23:37:06] * tantek needs to do more to document the Principle of Minimum Invention.
  236. [23:37:41] <mfbot> [[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4933 * DrErnie * (+38) Analysis -
  237. [23:39:42] <mfbot> [[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4934 * DrErnie * (-6) Analysis -
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  239. [23:50:59] <mfbot> [[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4935 * DrErnie * (+889) Proposals -
  240. [23:51:15] <mfbot> [[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4936 * DrErnie * (-1) Proposals -
  241. [23:55:56] <mfbot> [[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4937 * DrErnie * (+84) Proposal -

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