IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-02-13
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[resume-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4918 * Brian * (+198) Addition of OBJECT call-backs in X2V
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karlUshi is karlcow
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & working at Technorati & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & the spidermeist
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karlUshi is karlcow
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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karlUshi is karlcow
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[naming-principles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=naming-principles&diff=0&oldid=4919 * Tantek * (+8)
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so, i've taken a stab at hatom'ing the blog portion of http://chunkysoup.net but I'm not real sure how to deal with the page author designation
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- [16:27:57] <pnhChris>
i've vcarded my name in the footer of the page, but not used address because of the content, and at the moment it sites outside of the hfeed'ed element as well
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chris, that's a good point to note on hatom-issues
- [16:29:14] <pnhChris>
theres already an issue
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i think
- [16:29:29] <tantek>
add your example to that issue then
- [16:29:37] <pnhChris>
i brought this up last week, but had no code at that point
- [16:29:47] <tantek>
so that folks working on resolving the issue can use your example as a point of discussion
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thanks!
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Ragdoll is learning to use jibot
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4920 * ChrisCasciano * (+490) Designating the page author -
- [16:41:32] <pnhChris>
there's another issue i ran into when thinking about the content on that page .. tags that represent then page content, but aren't links
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(see my awful and old copy at the top)
- [16:44:23] <trovster>
Link them to the page which groups the tags together.
- [16:45:47] <pnhChris>
i don't want to.. i don't use them as "tags" in the conventional manner.. and the blog doesn't organize by tags.. .its just copy that if i were to hatom things they'd behave more like pulling keywrods out of the text
- [16:46:02] <pnhChris>
.. then convetional tags in technorati or delicious
- [16:46:34] <pnhChris>
for now i just left them in the html page textwith no assocuation to the hfeed
- [16:47:47] <pnhChris>
but they could be repurposed ... i just don't want them as <a>s
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- [17:15:39] <tantek>
chris, that's part of what tags require, is to actually make them *mean* something specifically by linking them, even if it is just to your own personal tagspace.
- [17:16:34] <tantek>
typical blog software (e.g. Wordpress, MT) creates category index pages which are suitable for use as tag links
- [17:17:39] <pnhChris>
yes
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this is an odd case though, because the site is already a subset (of 1) of the categories used on another site
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so there really isn't a local tag space
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just some potential keywords in the content
- [17:23:22] <trovster>
Seems kind of pointless then.
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- [17:34:41] <pnhChris>
useful in that it could define a category(-ies) for the atom output generatd from the hatom..
- [17:35:44] <pnhChris>
at the moment the conventional atom feed offers a <category term="web" /> with each entry, though my html doesn't present that information
- [17:45:51] <pnhChris>
i'm not really looking for a resolution... just throwing it out there as something i ran across while adding hatom elements to that template
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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- [18:16:39] <tantek>
chris, note that Atom categories have the equivalent of a tagspace as well
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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factoryjoe is Chris Messina, works for Flock, Bar Camp & Rhyzomatic & is working towards open source world domination & factorycityblug (http://factoryjoe.com/blog/) & looks like http://www.flickr.com/photos/dotben/70970770/
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[[User:Eron Wright]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Eron_Wright * Eron Wright * (+100)
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[[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4921 * Eron Wright * (-121) Google Earth XML -
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[[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4922 * Eron Wright * (+30) Google Earth XML -
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[[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4923 * Eron Wright * (+90) Google Earth XML -
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[[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4924 * Eron Wright * (+14) Authors -
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[[location-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=location-formats&diff=0&oldid=4925 * Eron Wright * (+218) What People are Publishing -
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=4926 * Eron Wright * (+412) Issues -
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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[[hash-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hash-examples&diff=0&oldid=4927 * Eron Wright * (+355)
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[[hash-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hash-examples&diff=0&oldid=4928 * Eron Wright * (+135)
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[[last-modified-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=last-modified-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=4929 * Eron Wright * (+386)
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[[listing-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=listing-formats&diff=0&oldid=4930 * Eron Wright * (+168)
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blake is allegedly human. Blake, also known as Cortland M. Setlow, studies at swarthmore.edu and enjoys building things, exploring buildings, and physics. He currently sleeps during the day.
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- [20:11:16] <Atamido>
Note to self: Get a ticket to SXSW.
- [20:16:52] <DanC>
hmm... SXSW... could I make room for that on my travel schedule? quite possibly... it would bump this security workshop...
- [20:17:46] <DanC>
so... do lots of people publish their travel schedules in hCalendar? would be cool to show a "who's going to SXSW?" SPARQL query
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tantek's going, per http://tantek.com/log/2005/12.html
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hmm.. no thoughts in Jan? blog hosed?
- [20:19:31] <DanC>
ah... sxsw is on http://www.microformats.org/ too.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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- [22:04:13] <Ragdoll>
Slightly off topic: Does anyone know anything Web Essentials 06?
- [22:05:07] <Ragdoll>
Or, at least, what was the admission price to attend WE05?
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- [22:41:48] <mfbot>
[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=4931 * Tantek * (+482) Added alternatives for "content" to help resolve that issue.
- [22:42:39] <tantek>
ragdoll, did you already browse through we05.com looking for the price(s)?
- [22:42:53] <tantek>
they had the main admission price, plus there were a couple optional pay-for events.
- [22:43:11] <Ragdoll>
Yeah, I've looked, but I just see "we had fun" type stuff there.
- [22:44:02] * tantek checks
- [22:44:19] <tantek>
BTW, folks, I'd like to point you to the hAtom content issue: http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom-issues#Entry_Content_.28atom:content.29
- [22:44:36] <tantek>
IMHO this is the #1 issue to resolve on hAtom in order to continue making progress.
- [22:44:59] <tantek>
suggested alternatives welcome, votes on alternatives welcome, additional discussion welcome
- [22:45:31] <tantek>
I'd like to resolve the 'content' issue ASAP so we can continue being able to experiment with hAtom in the wild, and working on additional issues.
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- [22:59:55] <pnhChris>
perhaps i'm asking a noobish question.. but is there some reason something like hcontent hasn't been mentioned there as an option?
- [23:00:36] <pnhChris>
did i miss a rule/convention on naming somewhere?
- [23:03:44] <mfbot>
[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=4932 * RyanKing * (+5) Nomenclature - fixing class verbiage
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- [23:28:10] <KevinMarks>
hm, I never finished my email on the 'content' issue
- [23:32:29] <tantek>
KevinMarks, thought you were going to blog about it :)
- [23:33:08] <KevinMarks>
going by existign in the world examples we see class="post-body" (blogspot) class="articleBody" (blogware) class="post" (wordpress)
- [23:33:48] <tantek>
pnhChris, go ahead and add it to the list. I omitted "hcontent" because there is an implied (not explicit / nor hard and fast) convention that the "h..." class names are root microformat content class names, and "content" is not something we as its own root.
- [23:34:50] <KevinMarks>
class="entry-content" or class="entry-body" for typepad (some distinction there I'm missing perhaps)
- [23:34:51] <tantek>
KevinMarks, we go by existing world examples to determine *which* *conceptual* fields/properties go into the 80/20 schema, and then we used existing established formats to pick names for them.
- [23:35:28] <KevinMarks>
right, and then we fell out the bottom of that with "content", so I'm looking for exampels again
- [23:35:37] <tantek>
Kevin, if there is one that you prefer (more than "entry-content" or "atom-content"), go ahead and add it to the list and +1 it.
- [23:36:16] <tantek>
well, just because we can't use "content", doesn't mean we can't use "content" somewhere *in* the name
- [23:36:27] <KevinMarks>
yes, that makes sense
- [23:36:33] <tantek>
I still consider that some level of reuse from Atom, even if the string isn't precisely the same.
- [23:37:06] * tantek needs to do more to document the Principle of Minimum Invention.
- [23:37:41] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4933 * DrErnie * (+38) Analysis -
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[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4934 * DrErnie * (-6) Analysis -
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[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4935 * DrErnie * (+889) Proposals -
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[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4936 * DrErnie * (-1) Proposals -
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[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=4937 * DrErnie * (+84) Proposal -
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