IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-06-19
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
- [00:15:24] <pnhChris>
briansuda: around now
- [00:15:51] <briansuda>
hello pnhChris
- [00:16:52] <briansuda>
one of my many "i should be doing other projects, but would rather do something fun" project has started to grow some legs and i was looking for some feedback
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http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/planet/
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i have started a sort of Planet Microformats which aggregates from several different places
- [00:17:24] <pnhChris>
i love those kinda projects, heh
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looking
- [00:17:38] <briansuda>
i still need to clean-up the output and add hAtom to it....
- [00:19:26] <pnhChris>
might be worth adding ma.gnolia
- [00:19:43] <pnhChris>
(though i'm sure there's a limit to how many bookmarking sites you track)
- [00:20:06] <briansuda>
i was considering adding the wiki RSS, but that's not useful to anyone but people who post to the wiki
- [00:20:26] <pnhChris>
... messy with spam too
- [00:20:29] <briansuda>
i can test ma.gnolia, if the URL is already in the database it doesn't re-add it
- [00:20:46] <pnhChris>
http://ma.gnolia.com/tags/microformats
- [00:21:13] <pnhChris>
the difficulty there is i think their feeds use a masked/redirected url
- [00:21:37] <pnhChris>
so it might be hard to elimitate dupes between services
- [00:22:13] <pnhChris>
oh no, they include a raw link too
- [00:23:07] <briansuda>
the link is the key in the DB, which isn't perfect, but i think that's ok
- [00:23:32] <briansuda>
Flickr has two seperate links for the same image, one if it is tagged, another if it is part of a group
- [00:23:39] <pnhChris>
btw.. my own side project, though i'll be rewriting it before I make it public in any real way... so i know the rss parsing / storing pain... http://placenamewhere.com/
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- [00:26:16] <briansuda>
is that then, just pulling all the different feeds together?
- [00:26:34] <pnhChris>
more then that
- [00:27:00] <pnhChris>
i'm storing the data in a db.. so its not just displaying / caching the current feeds
- [00:27:47] <pnhChris>
but yeah.. mostly that's what it is
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cron job pulls in X feeds
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parses em
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stores the data in a few tables
- [00:28:14] <briansuda>
OK, i am doing something similar, i use "latestRSS" to grab and cache the feeds. I have a cron run an importer script that fetched the RSS (if needed) and dumps them to the DB.
- [00:28:29] <briansuda>
yeah, sounds like we are doing something pretty similar with different feeds
- [00:28:55] <briansuda>
i added ma.gnolia, and got a few more items
- [00:29:37] <pnhChris>
i'm probably doing a little bit more in the feed parsing
- [00:29:42] <pnhChris>
not just displaying body
- [00:30:25] <pnhChris>
but parsing some of the ugly html usage for tags or parsing some of the odd namespaces for flickr thumbs, etc
- [00:31:16] <briansuda>
right now mine is a straight dump. So i will have to do some cleaning to prevent bad HTML... i'm not sure i will spend a WHOLE lot of effort on this... maybe just turn around and generate an RSS from all the sources?
- [00:31:43] <briansuda>
i guess i need to read some Terms of Services as well?
- [00:33:24] * pnhChris shrugs
- [00:33:26] <pnhChris>
i haven't yet
- [00:33:27] <pnhChris>
:P
- [00:33:58] <pnhChris>
i started looking at using some of the services APIs instead, but i've got a few other things to deal with first
- [00:35:00] <briansuda>
So i guess i'll keep plugging along with "Planet Microformats" since it seems pretty worth while - it is low hanging fruit.
- [00:36:35] <pnhChris>
yeah.. looks useful
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even no
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now
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so many uf tshirts :P
- [00:39:26] <briansuda>
that is only limited to 50 DB results, there are ALOT more t-shirt pics in the full list!
- [00:43:17] <pnhChris>
i need to work on getting my older flickr and newsvine data into my thing
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among other changes
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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home again home again
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[[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=6727 * Tantek * (+0) More Examples -
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=6728 * Tantek * (+633) add simple example from RFC2426 inline, and more explanation for real world geo example
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6729 * CoTruno * (+2)
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[[events/anniversary/1]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/anniversary/1&diff=0&oldid=6730 * Tantek * (+9) details + cleanup
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6731 * Tantek * (-2) Reverted edit of CoTruno, changed back to last version by Tantek
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[process-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=6732 * SebastienSauteur * (+33) [min] Pourquoi ? -
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[[process-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=6733 * SebastienSauteur * (+53) Documentez le Comportement Actuel - relecture à relire
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[[process-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=6734 * SebastienSauteur * (+416) Proposez un Microformat - relecture + traduction à relire
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[[process-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=6735 * SebastienSauteur * (+185) Itération - traduction à continuer/relire
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[[process-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=6736 * SebastienSauteur * (-20) min
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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[[process-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=6737 * SebastienSauteur * (+245) Itérer - à suivre...
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[[User:SebastienSauteur]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/User:SebastienSauteur * SebastienSauteur * (+1182) presentation
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[[process-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=6738 * SebastienSauteur * (+478) Pages à considérer pour la création - traduction à relire
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Vissud2 is a programmer from KC. He currently blogs at http://www.shanebrady.com and http://www.hellfood.com. His fiancee Kelly has a much better blog at http://www.kellygarbato.com. He also runs http://www.poblov.com, which needs content and css.
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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[[process-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=6739 * SebastienSauteur * (+912) à relire.....
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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- [14:24:57] <trovster>
A vcard can not miss out fn,right?
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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- [14:32:11] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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- [14:37:57] <briansuda>
trovster, correct FN is required
- [14:38:24] <trovster>
Crud. Oh well.
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6740 * Tantek * (+34) added "languages with over 10 articles" section for Français (French) translation
- [14:41:29] <tantek>
trovster, what are you trying to do
- [14:41:32] <tantek>
?
- [14:42:27] <trovster>
http://paste.css-standards.org/1161
- [14:42:50] <trovster>
fn works for the last one, but not necessarily the middle or top one. The middle is 'org'
- [14:44:05] <tantek>
that's correct
- [14:44:12] <tantek>
rather, your code is correct
- [14:44:17] <tantek>
"fn org" is what you do for organizations
- [14:44:34] <trovster>
Yeh, I know... but not sure what to do with my URL
- [14:44:46] <tantek>
the first one?
- [14:44:49] <trovster>
Yeh
- [14:45:42] <tantek>
you could do this:
- [14:45:46] <tantek>
<li class="fli vcard"><a class="url" href="http://www.trovster.com" rel="me"><span class="fn">Trovster</span>.com</a></li>
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- [14:46:01] <tantek>
which would then follow the one word FN shortcut rule and set "Trovster" as your nickname
- [14:46:19] <trovster>
That's not my fn...
- [14:46:20] <trovster>
OH
- [14:46:32] <trovster>
So, one word FN assumes it's a nickname
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
- [14:58:55] <trovster>
OK then, how about this vevent -> http://paste.css-standards.org/1162 ?
- [14:59:38] <trovster>
yyyy-mm-dd or yyyymmddThhmmssZ ?
- [15:01:13] * pnhChris this the latest uf-discuss post is a rather odd request
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- [15:04:37] <pnhChris>
^ thinks
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- [15:11:25] <tantek>
well, the dtstart title should have 2006 instead of 2005
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
- [15:11:58] <tantek>
and is "Royal Leamington Spa" really a locality/city?
- [15:13:29] <trovster>
It's a town, yes.
- [15:13:46] * dglazkov has a question about feeds.technorati.com/events
- [15:13:55] <dglazkov>
hi everyone!
- [15:14:48] <trovster>
Changed to 2006 ;) and YYYYMMDDTHHMMSSZ format
- [15:15:47] <dglazkov>
suppose a university wants to convert its microformatted events into iCal. Can it use feeds.technorati.com/events freely? Or are there limitations? I was trying to read TOS, but my head started to hurt
- [15:16:12] <tantek>
dglazkov, it can use it no problem
- [15:16:40] <dglazkov>
great!
- [15:16:50] <tantek>
that's exactly why we set it up, so that sites could put up download to addressbook/calendar links without any difficulty (as well as subscribe to calendar with webcal: )
- [15:19:33] <dglazkov>
and it supports id addressing, right?
- [15:20:41] <dglazkov>
i.e. http://microformats.org#some-event-id
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- [15:24:08] <mcknut>
hi, does the convertor just use an XSL template to make the conversion?
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- [15:24:34] <mcknut>
well, one per microformat rather than one for everything
- [15:26:12] <RobertBachmann>
mcknut, which converter? Technorati's?
- [15:26:35] <mcknut>
yes, the feeds.technorati.com service, sorry should've been more specific
- [15:28:47] <RobertBachmann>
<http://feeds.technorati.com/events> uses x2vcal.xsl <http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/>. Which is an XSL template, thought we prefer to call them XSLT scripts ;-)
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- [15:42:28] <trovster>
tantek: Been tagging your photos all day on Flickr! I should do some work ;)
- [15:46:15] <tantek>
thanks trovster!
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- [15:46:27] <trovster>
;)
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- [15:47:05] <trovster>
Managed to geocode mine, but not going through that process on all the photos!
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [16:12:41] <briansuda>
This was a weekend project (http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/planet/) it looks like loads of microformat @media photos
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what is this planet thing?
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- [16:19:40] <briansuda>
it is just an aggregation of all sorts of microformats related stuff from various RSS feeds
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RobertBachmann: thanks, sorry got sidetracked
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its the uf t-shirt gallery :P
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dglazkov: I think I noticed your name referenced by sarissa for some javascript thing
- [16:32:10] <bewest>
ah, some xpath thing
- [16:32:16] <bewest>
you use sarissa for that?
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bewest: I don't use sarissa, but html-xpath thing I wrote a while back was complementary to it
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=6743 * Tantek * (+86) added ref to Crepes on Cole reviews which the Restaurant Example was based on
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KevinMarks: pingerati question for you
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ok
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could you drop the hCal-to-iCal conversion when pinging evdb?
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that is, just ping us with the URL to the page with hCal on it
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yes, can do that
- [18:25:37] <hober>
awesome; thanks
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out of curiosity how come upcoming got used instead of eventful?
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- [22:00:56] <KevinMarks>
hober: ready fro me to make the change?
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kingryan: briansuda mentioned that there are issues w/ using /referrer on rati's feed svcs?
- [22:07:09] <factoryjoe>
ie here: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/06/16/for-the-rest-of-the-month/
- [22:07:36] <kingryan>
you're going to have to be more specific than "issues"
- [22:09:16] <kingryan>
those issues don't appear to have anything to do with the referer implementation
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briansuda: what were you "referring" to (heh!)
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- [22:14:09] <briansuda>
i think one of the comments was that the link didn
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't work, i think that might be because you are using refferer
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sometimes when people open a link in a new window you don't get a referer
- [22:16:06] <kingryan>
yeah, and some firewalls block referers from being sent
- [22:16:32] <factoryjoe>
hmm
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or in RSS it would break too, eh?
- [22:16:44] <kingryan>
yup
- [22:16:50] <factoryjoe>
ok, no more use of /referrer
- [22:16:55] <kingryan>
esp. for web-based rss readers w/out cool uris
- [22:18:21] <factoryjoe>
totally
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- [22:23:32] <bewest>
? you get blocked from a request if you are requesting witha a referrer?
- [22:29:32] <hober>
KevinMarks: yup!
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how about now?
- [22:30:28] <kingryan>
bewest: huh?
- [22:30:55] <kingryan>
the feeds services will take the string 'referer' (or, if you care about english usage "referrer"), instead of a URI
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then the service will use the http referer
- [22:31:22] <bewest>
oh
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sorry :-)
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- [22:31:46] <briansuda>
bewest, sometimes browsers (for various reasons) don't pass the referrer string
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[[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=6753 * RyanKing * (+55) added microformateer
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kingryan: bad links in the t-shirt post
- [23:37:26] <pnhChris>
forgot an http://
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in the link to the store
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