IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-06-26

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  1. [00:13:03] <pnhChris> enjoy my fugly url announcing v1.0 of my textpattern plugin... now with hReview support: http://placenamehere.com/article/222/Releasedpnhmf10MicroformatPluginForTextpattern
  2. [00:13:10] <pnhChris> :)
  3. [00:15:58] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=6916 * ChrisCasciano * (+263) Implementations - textpattern plugin -
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  30. [03:56:20] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=6917 * ChristopheDucamp * (+6) Discussions Exploratoires -
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  36. [04:38:38] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=6918 * ChristopheDucamp * (-16) typo
  37. [04:41:29] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=6919 * ChristopheDucamp * (+294) Implémentations - sync with hreview (add translation of TP plugin)
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  40. [05:03:55] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=6920 * ChristopheDucamp * (+837) hcard-examples translation / to be reviewed
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  43. [05:30:32] <mfbot> [[hash-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hash-examples&diff=0&oldid=6921 * Ant * (+12) Proposal -
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  47. [06:43:10] <mfbot> [[hcard-profile-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-profile-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+6945) French translation of hcard-profile
  48. [06:45:46] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=6922 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2) Optimisation implicite du "nickname" - typo
  49. [06:47:32] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=6923 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Plus d'Exemples - typo
  50. [07:00:04] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+23984) hcard-parsing : structure translated - to be done
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  52. [07:15:40] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=6924 * ChristopheDucamp * (+465) nom classe racine -> à relire
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  56. [07:24:51] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=6925 * ChristopheDucamp * (+136) trouver des hCards - in progress draft translation to be reviewed
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  58. [07:45:48] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=6926 * ChristopheDucamp * (+616) propriétés hCard - in progress
  59. [07:46:24] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=6927 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) typo
  60. [07:52:25] <mfbot> [[Microformats:Recherche]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Microformats:Recherche * ChristopheDucamp * (+202) Page difficult to understand / appearing via a search with french Preferences / This page could be completed with a future search engine on a french microformats web site ?
  61. [07:52:46] <mfbot> [[Microformats:Recherche]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Microformats:Recherche&diff=0&oldid=6928 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) typo
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  72. [08:54:59] <trovster> <p class="date published" title="2006-06-22T14:23:19+01:00">Posted on Thursday, June 22nd, 2006</p> -- is this correct? Or does the published need only to go around the date?
  73. [09:33:11] <trovster> http://paste.css-standards.org/1226 I get 'Could not parse sourcetree.' from http://www.lukearno.com/projects/hatom2atom/
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  85. [12:58:05] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=6929 * ChristopheDucamp * (+89) gestion espace blanc -
  86. [13:03:16] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=6930 * ChristopheDucamp * (+98) sous-propriétés hCard -
  87. [13:08:43] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=6931 * ChristopheDucamp * (+62) paramètres proprités hCard -
  88. [13:09:09] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=6932 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) paramètres propriétés hCard - typo
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  92. [13:17:19] <xtof> bonjour currently trying to understand : http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples#2.4.2_VCARD
  93. [13:19:09] <xtof> is there any french people with good expertise to localize any french address accordin to "la poste"'s nomenclature ?
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  95. [13:22:51] <xtof> let's say I don't feel a ease with this defintion type ADR http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-fr#3.2.1_D.C3.A9finition_Type_ADR
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  106. [15:00:03] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats-transcript]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-sxsw-microformats-transcript&diff=0&oldid=6933 * Tantek * (+162) added headings, intro, backlink
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  120. [15:58:59] <trovster> Hello?
  121. [16:01:36] <evanpro> lo lo lo lo lo
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  124. [16:03:16] <trovster> http://paste.css-standards.org/1226 I get 'Could not parse sourcetree.' from http://www.lukearno.com/projects/hatom2atom/
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  126. [16:38:35] <RobertBachmann> trovster: http://paste.css-standards.org/1227
  127. [16:39:28] <trovster> You just added #
  128. [16:39:28] <trovster> <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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  130. [16:41:02] <RobertBachmann> yes. XML documents must have one root element, thus the DIV.
  131. [16:41:48] <RobertBachmann> the xmlns is here because hAtom2Atom.xsl only works with XHTML documents. (You can use ``tidy -asxml`` for plain old HTML)
  132. [16:42:50] <trovster> Should I add xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" to the html ?
  133. [16:43:51] <RobertBachmann> yes
  134. [16:45:17] <RobertBachmann> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">...</html>
  135. [16:45:23] <trovster> Well, you see, I already had it (obviously that wasn't my FULL code!) -> http://paste.css-standards.org/1228
  136. [16:47:28] <trovster> Also, all the other tools/links for hentry, on the wiki, are down/missing/gone
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  139. [16:52:46] <RobertBachmann> which links?
  140. [16:57:30] <trovster> The oneson the wiki!
  141. [17:00:26] <RobertBachmann> which page? <http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom>?
  142. [17:03:16] <trovster> http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Implementations those
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  144. [17:13:21] <RobertBachmann> ah http://www.trinityanne.com/... seems to be down
  145. [17:19:40] <trovster> Any ideas of the translation?
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  149. [17:26:58] <RobertBachmann> trovster: <p class="date published" title="2006-06-22T09:23:19-04:00">Posted on Thursday, June 22nd, 2006</p> must be replaced with
  150. [17:26:58] <RobertBachmann> <p class="date">Posted on <abbr class="published" title="2006-06-22T09:23:19-04:00">Thursday, June 22nd, 2006</abbr></p>
  151. [17:26:58] <RobertBachmann> The title attribute will only be used if the element with class="published" is an <ABBR>
  152. [17:27:50] <trovster> [09:54:59] <trovster> <p class="date published" title="2006-06-22T14:23:19+01:00">Posted on Thursday, June 22nd, 2006</p> -- is this correct? Or does the published need only to go around the date? -- was my first question
  153. [17:32:19] <trovster> OK then, RobertBachmann, http://paste.css-standards.org/1229
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  156. [17:44:54] <RobertBachmann> trovster: 1229 looks good
  157. [17:45:11] <RobertBachmann> ah he's not here anymore
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  183. [19:04:04] <dglazkov> off topic question
  184. [19:04:18] <dglazkov> is there a flickr for mp3s?
  185. [19:08:18] <bewest> mp3.com used to be kind of like that
  186. [19:08:38] <kingryan> there may not be a "flickr of" mp3's
  187. [19:08:46] <kingryan> but there is an "iPod of" mp3's
  188. [19:09:15] <dglazkov> ok, I have a bunch of music of my old bands that I want to upload somewhere
  189. [19:09:21] <dglazkov> where?
  190. [19:09:49] <bewest> http://mp3.com used to be a community based mp3 sharing place....
  191. [19:09:54] <bewest> upload mp3's of your band or whatever
  192. [19:09:55] <bewest> and share
  193. [19:10:16] <kingryan> dglazkov: the iPod
  194. [19:10:17] <bewest> it also had free mp3's of independent artists and whatnot
  195. [19:11:07] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=6935 * DrewMcLellan * (+441) Q&A -
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  199. [19:22:44] * dglazkov is checking out mp3
  200. [19:23:08] <dglazkov> kingryan: the iPod? How do I get myself on iTunes? :)
  201. [19:23:21] <kingryan> get signed to a label
  202. [19:23:27] <kingryan> or start a podcast
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  207. [19:28:02] <bewest> kingryan: I brought up that graphing bug with a guy here
  208. [19:28:41] <dglazkov> oh.. thanks guys
  209. [19:32:24] <dglazkov> what about studio.odeo.com
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  216. [19:53:39] <larryhalff> dglazkov: Check out http://www.cdbaby.net/. You can get an iTunes distribution deal through them without having to sign to a traditional label.
  217. [19:54:32] <dglazkov> thanks, larryhalff
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  229. [20:39:04] <kingryan> hey bewest
  230. [20:39:07] <kingryan> thanks
  231. [20:39:09] <bewest> sure
  232. [20:39:12] <kingryan> he have anything to say?
  233. [20:39:24] <bewest> there's a lively discussion in #web on the value of extending semantics using the class attribute
  234. [20:39:28] <bewest> most people are very against it
  235. [20:39:31] <bewest> I could use some help :-)
  236. [20:39:47] <kingryan> I don't know if we can take on the whole web
  237. [20:40:26] <cgriego> that's the whole purpose of the class attribute... free-form semantics
  238. [20:40:35] <bewest> it's just a chatroom :-)
  239. [20:40:46] <bewest> #web not "web"
  240. [20:40:57] <cgriego> are they arguing that it's only for css hooks?
  241. [20:41:04] <bewest> yes
  242. [20:41:22] <bewest> and that it's a bad idea to shift the semantics away from elements to attributes
  243. [20:41:37] <kingryan> tell them that shift has already happened
  244. [20:41:47] <kingryan> we're just taking it to the logical extreme
  245. [20:42:19] <bewest> I argued there's no shift though
  246. [20:42:29] <bewest> since we haven't changed the semantics of elements, only extended them
  247. [20:43:19] <qid> you could point out to them that according to the spec, class is for more than just CSS hooks
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  249. [20:44:55] <qid> and if they're going to argue for a position not supported by the W3C spec, then it's impossible to them to claim that they're "right", only that we have a difference of opinion
  250. [20:46:03] <_fil_> point them to http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2
  251. [20:46:15] <_fil_> The class attribute has several roles in HTML:
  252. [20:46:15] <_fil_> As a style sheet selector (when an author wishes to assign style information to a set of elements).
  253. [20:46:18] <_fil_> For general purpose processing by user agents.
  254. [20:47:25] <bewest> they just argue that genearl purpose excludes semantic purpose
  255. [20:47:28] <bewest> by definition
  256. [20:47:37] <_fil_> ok
  257. [20:47:41] <bewest> they see general in opposite to semantic
  258. [20:47:43] <kingryan> "general purpose" doesn't include everything?
  259. [20:47:52] <_fil_> then just /window close
  260. [20:48:10] <qid> I believe they just said something roughly equating to "microformats are a hack job"
  261. [20:48:13] <qid> :-\
  262. [20:48:30] <_fil_> well... it's a free country
  263. [20:48:41] <_fil_> Sweden, I mean :)
  264. [20:49:37] <dglazkov> yeah. I couldn't bear that
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  266. [20:52:51] <tantek> qid, and that's supposed to be an insult? ;)
  267. [20:53:07] <qid> heh
  268. [20:54:00] <bewest> meh they are ignoring me now
  269. [20:54:11] <tantek> bewest, perhaps return the favor?
  270. [20:54:25] <bewest> why is it "class" is ok to add semantics in every domain except html?
  271. [20:56:10] <tantek> you may also drop this in that channel and see what happens: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-October/001175.html
  272. [20:56:31] <tantek> bewest, I don't understand the question
  273. [20:56:39] <tantek> (nice to meet you at BarCampSF BTW!)
  274. [20:56:53] <bewest> yeah :-)
  275. [20:57:13] <bewest> I just asked: name another domain in which an application of a value of class does not extend semantic information?
  276. [20:58:04] <tantek> good one.
  277. [20:58:14] <bewest> they conveniently ignore it hough
  278. [20:59:25] * tantek has some coding to do right now, otherwise he might enjoy a few minutes of distraction in an otherwise hostile irc channel.
  279. [20:59:54] <tantek> does #web have public logs?
  280. [21:00:03] <bewest> dunno
  281. [21:00:10] <bewest> I think I"m logging though
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  283. [21:00:47] <tantek> good. might be worth keeping a catalog of their arguments for later dissection / refutation on the wiki.
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  286. [21:06:59] <gsnedders> suddenly it all stops…
  287. [21:07:17] <bewest> maybe cause my points are bullet proof
  288. [21:07:36] <bewest> meh
  289. [21:07:38] <bewest> they are silly
  290. [21:07:48] <gsnedders> very.
  291. [21:07:51] <tantek> silliness is one response to frustration
  292. [21:08:08] <gsnedders> I really should be coding, not wasting my time
  293. [21:08:11] <bewest> they attack people who say they want to use xhtml
  294. [21:08:12] * bewest too
  295. [21:08:17] <tantek> wow
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  297. [21:09:04] <bewest> very fundamentalist
  298. [21:09:09] <gsnedders> my reply to whether we should use something no browser supports was simple: "if you went back to the beginning of the web, why should you use HTML? What supports it? Almost nothing. Did people use it? Yes."
  299. [21:09:48] <gsnedders> and I got smacked down for saying that.
  300. [21:10:05] <bewest> qid: you almost got banned lol
  301. [21:10:09] <bewest> I might get banned
  302. [21:10:12] <qid> haha
  303. [21:10:17] <bewest> name another domain in which an application of a value of class does not extend semantic information?
  304. [21:10:33] <bewest> try this google seach: "* is a class of *" and see what happens :-)
  305. [21:10:34] <gsnedders> huh?
  306. [21:10:38] <bewest> just logging :-)
  307. [21:10:57] <bewest> mcc: bewest: So your argument is currently that since class means a certain thing elsewhere, it must also mean that same thing in HTML.
  308. [21:10:59] <qid> as I said, it became apparent that we were in a religious argument, not a logical debate
  309. [21:11:02] <qid> so I left
  310. [21:11:05] <bewest> mcc: I'm pretty sure there's a name for that falacy.
  311. [21:11:14] <bewest> FAE?
  312. [21:11:36] <bewest> only it's the model we commonly use for naming and defining all kinds of things
  313. [21:11:43] <qid> religious arguments never go anywhere, they just make everyone angrier
  314. [21:11:43] <bewest> and so is no fallacy in this case
  315. [21:11:58] <bewest> se: bewest: but it /isn't/, in this case. Please mention one SGML-based language which uses this method?
  316. [21:12:20] <kingryan> bewest: tell them "HTML"
  317. [21:12:35] * gsnedders gets back to coding, after that fun
  318. [21:12:35] <bewest> I'm logging
  319. [21:12:37] <bewest> and next:
  320. [21:12:48] <bewest> html!?
  321. [21:12:54] <bewest> <title>....
  322. [21:13:01] <bewest> se: bewest: ... which uses microformats?
  323. [21:13:12] <bewest> on: "no, it's a namespace!"
  324. [21:13:21] <bewest> se: bewest: ... HTML uses microformats?
  325. [21:13:22] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=6936 * RyanKing * (+0) past events are no longer "upcoming"
  326. [21:13:31] <bewest> no... I'm talking about what the class attribute means.. since that is seems to be our prinicple disagreement
  327. [21:13:41] <bewest> mcc: Well, that's an easy disagreement to settle. What's the spec say? :P
  328. [21:13:49] <bewest> se: bewest: no, it isn't. The /principal/ disagreement is that microformats is breaking with a principle that has been with us since 1968 or thereabouts - WHY? That's all I ask.
  329. [21:13:59] <bewest> gsnedders: mattmcc: "For general purpose processing by user agents (e.g. for identifying fields when extracting data from HTML pages into a database, translating HTML documents into other formats, etc.)."
  330. [21:14:06] <bewest> we are discussing what the general useage of an attribute of class might mean... since in most domains the type of class something is extends its semantic value, I'm arguing the same applies here
  331. [21:14:23] <bewest> mcc: There's that fallacy again.
  332. [21:14:33] <bewest> we used the same "fallacy" to name namespaces
  333. [21:14:59] <bewest> ose: bewest: actually ... we're not.
  334. [21:15:10] <bewest> that was the end
  335. [21:16:44] <bewest> maybe a new t-shirt could say: Microformats: in a class of its own.
  336. [21:16:45] <gsnedders> you missed somethings out
  337. [21:16:46] <tantek> yeah, you cornered them into confronting a belief/assumption, and that tends to be the response
  338. [21:17:07] <bewest> gsnedders: yes, I did I'm biased for my own arguments
  339. [21:17:15] <gsnedders> :)
  340. [21:17:27] <bewest> I apologized a bit
  341. [21:17:47] <bewest> I mean I apologize for being biased gsnedders
  342. [21:17:54] <gsnedders> :)
  343. [21:18:25] <gsnedders> you got most of the important parts, though
  344. [21:18:47] <bewest> that was my intention I left out some of my own statements and some of theirs as well
  345. [21:18:56] <bewest> I hope I got the principle issuesssssss
  346. [21:19:02] <gsnedders> I added just before Windrose's last statement: "so the question is are we extending a language, or are we adding data for processing by user agents?"
  347. [21:19:07] <gsnedders> that went unanswered.
  348. [21:19:10] <bewest> ye
  349. [21:19:11] <bewest> yes
  350. [21:19:13] <gsnedders> bewest: yeah, you did.
  351. [21:20:33] <gsnedders> most of what you missed out was replying to other related questions, like pointing out that Tasman supports application/xhtml+xml to "work is being done in teh IE camp to support xhtml+xml", then having to explain what Tasman is.
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  353. [21:22:05] <gsnedders> knowing what the rendering engines are called seems a rather basic thing to know.
  354. [21:24:14] <bewest> meh. they are smart folks but very very rigidly fundamentalist
  355. [21:24:41] <bewest> the funny thing is they complain just as bitterly about TBL's Semantic Web that /does/ use namespaces
  356. [21:27:25] <qid> maybe they're just anti-semantic
  357. [21:27:38] <qid> >_>
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  359. [21:33:49] <tantek> maybe they're just anti
  360. [21:37:37] <kingryan> "anti-semantic"- that sounds very evocative
  361. [21:39:47] * gsnedders yawns good night… ME isn't a nice disease to have :\
  362. [21:40:16] <tantek> indeed
  363. [21:40:54] <tantek> one wonders how widespread this kind of antisemanticism is.
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  368. [21:42:41] <kingryan> 18k hits: http://www.google.com/search?q=anti-semantic
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