IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-11
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8084 * Adactio * (+109) Examples in the wild -
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Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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[[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=8085 * ChristopheDucamp * (+83) Discussions Exploratoires - ajout group
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[[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=8086 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Discussions Exploratoires -
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[[group-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8087 * ChristopheDucamp * (-255) Exemples du Vrai Monde -
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[[group-examples-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/group-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+684) [fr:sync with group-examples]
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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[[group-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8088 * ChristopheDucamp * (+762)
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[[vcard-implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=8089 * ChristopheDucamp * (+230) Microsoft Outlook -
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[[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=8090 * ChristopheDucamp * (+113) Exemples "dans la jungle" - ajout zeldman
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[[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=8091 * ChristopheDucamp * (+123) Nouveaux Exemples -
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[[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=8092 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2147) Exemples - restoring list following original hCard
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[[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=8093 * IwaiMasaharu * (+79) sync: english: 20:41, 10 Aug 2006
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[[Main Page-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=8094 * IwaiMasaharu * (-1) ディスカッション - 原文の意味が上手く訳せてない気がするので英語に戻す。
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[[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=8095 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2941) Exemples - création
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[[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=8096 * ChristopheDucamp * (-10) Nouveaux Exemples - gardening
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[what-can-you-do-with-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-can-you-do-with-microformats&diff=0&oldid=8097 * BenWest * (+786)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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mornin'
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travel around London is not recommended for today. grumble, grumble.
- [09:57:13] <trovster>
really? ouch
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took me 3 hours to get in this morning
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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drewinthehead: We should all publish our club backgrounds/desktop screenshot ;)
- [11:31:53] <drewinthehead>
it's not be hugely interesting, to be fair ;)
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- [11:32:00] <trovster>
hehe. so!
- [11:32:41] <gsnedders>
desktop screenshots are _so_ old :P
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8098 * GdfsGersccz * (+18449)
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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Is there any hAtom support for enclosures? I'm thinking of a blog with hyperlinks in taht becomes a podcast
- [14:55:36] <trovster>
Not sure, but I'm sure it could be added.
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<a href="" class="enclosure">
- [14:55:53] <McNulty>
or @rel
- [14:56:05] <McNulty>
hm, ok
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It stems from a discussion over lunch with a friend who has a blog and posts MP3s from time to time. I asked why he didn't make it a podcast and he said it all seems really complicated.
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http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-enclosure ...
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<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/kevinmarks/wwdc2005.mov" rel="enclosure">WWDC 2005 Keynote with chapters</a> -- it was rel
- [15:02:41] <McNulty>
hm, thanks
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I guess that's what I'm looking for
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any wiki admins on?
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8099 * ChrisCasciano * (-18449) reverting spam
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- [15:25:50] <drewinthehead>
have you been spamming the home page again, pnhChris?
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i have
- [15:26:22] <trovster>
I haven't broken anything!
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for my new site
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p****y4all.info
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its got hcards of all the hot teens
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ace
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though i had to hack in support for x-body-measurements
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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I have an hCard parsing question in relation to tel type/value. could one tel element contain multiple types and values?
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http://pastie.caboo.se/8142
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What does this mean in English? `For properties which can be plural (e.g. "TEL"), each class instance should create a instance of that property. Plural properties with subtypes (e.g. TEL with WORK, HOME, CELL) can be optimized to share a common element for the property itself, with each instance of subtype being an appropriately classed descendant of the property element.`
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is that from the vcard spec?
- [17:00:51] <qid>
I would suggest not taking advantage of that optimization if you can to be less ambiguous
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pnhChris: Girls Gone Semantic?
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bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
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- [17:13:09] <trovster>
Why do I read that as bicurious!
- [17:13:31] <bewest>
dunno
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hehe
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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Why do I read that as Linkslayer?
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you guys must have illegible fonts or something
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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- [17:57:04] <gsnedders>
I just realised quite how many people here have in their heralds where they work
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- [18:16:52] <pnhChris>
quiet day so far online and off.. kinda refreshing
- [18:18:35] <pnhChris>
any wiki mods on kingryan , tantek ? i reverted some main page spam earlier today but didn't ban the perp
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hi pnhChris
- [18:18:59] <kingryan>
I'll ban 'em
- [18:19:27] <kingryan>
I assume you're talking about http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&curid=1&diff=8099&oldid=8098&rcid=10066 ?
- [18:19:39] <pnhChris>
yup
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) blocked "User:GdfsGersccz" with an expiry time of indefinite: spammer!
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:)
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cgriego, did you ever get your question answered from earlier?
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[[group-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=group-examples&diff=0&oldid=8100 * Jim Dalton * (+1858) added real world examples
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hi drewinthehead
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hi kingryan :)
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- [19:28:53] <drewinthehead>
back again!
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- [19:34:08] <cgriego>
briansuda: I did not get my question answered.
- [19:34:28] <briansuda>
do you want to re-ask it, it was the second time i got it this week
- [19:35:00] <cgriego>
yes, maybe tantek can answer it.
- [19:35:22] <cgriego>
What does this mean, in English? From Singular vs. Plural Properties: "For properties which can be plural (e.g. "TEL"), each class instance should create a instance of that property. Plural properties with subtypes (e.g. TEL with WORK, HOME, CELL) can be optimized to share a common element for the property itself, with each instance of subtype being an appropriately classed descendant of the property element."
- [19:37:51] <cgriego>
does it mean that multiple type/value properties can be the child of a single tel property?
- [19:39:17] <briansuda>
my thoughts on that are NO
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- [19:40:00] <briansuda>
the main reason is because once you have children with class="type" and class="value" there is no way to tel which TYPE goes with which VALUE
- [19:40:20] <briansuda>
also somewhere we have a statement that all class="value"s are concatenated together
- [19:40:37] <briansuda>
this would violate this case
- [19:41:41] <cgriego>
is there another option, other than changing the markup elements (which microformats is not about) for marking up this example? http://pastie.caboo.se/8142
- [19:41:52] <tantek>
briansuda, I think you are correct
- [19:41:59] * tantek is trying to reintrepret his own words.
- [19:42:49] <briansuda>
well cgriego, Day | Evening are not valid types anyway
- [19:42:50] <tantek>
cgriego - that paragraph needs to be rewritten
- [19:43:02] <tantek>
I agree that it is not sufficiently clear
- [19:43:24] <drewinthehead>
that paragraph could almost be a quote from the British sitcom Yes Minister
- [19:43:57] <tantek>
now that I reread it a few times, I think the second sentence is actually completely obsolete
- [19:44:39] <tantek>
it is a hold over from the previous method of "type"ing TELs by using class names for the types, rather than making the types visible and using class="type"
- [19:44:53] <tantek>
no wonder it wasn't making much sense
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8101 * Tantek * (-230) Singular vs. Plural Properties - removed obsolete sentence leftover from previous method of encoding "type" information on TEL etc.
- [19:47:05] <tantek>
cgriego - better now?
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<37Signals> Less Logorrhoea! </37Signals>
- [19:49:37] <cgriego>
tantek: the statement is more clear now, yes, but it doesn't really help me with trying to use tel with a definition list
- [19:50:23] <tantek>
cgriego, i think i know what you are trying to do, and unfortunately DL is a bit limited
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- [19:51:02] <tantek>
if you really want to use DL like that, you have to have a series of mini-DLs, each themselves having class="tel" with class="type" on the DT and class="value" on the DD
- [19:51:21] * tantek wonders if he read cgriego's mind correctly.
- [19:52:30] <cgriego>
so it would have to be broken into two separate lists instead of remaining one
- [19:53:34] <tantek>
right
- [19:53:39] <tantek>
however many tels you have
- [19:54:33] * tantek really wants lists with continuation semantics
- [19:54:39] <tantek>
so you can break them across parts of a page
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or across pages
- [19:56:46] <cgriego>
would <tag class="vcard adr"> be heresy?
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- [19:58:06] <cgriego>
since adr is its own format, I feel find doing it, but I imagine it wouldn't be picked up in a parsed hCard
- [19:58:27] <cgriego>
fine*
- [19:58:36] <drewinthehead>
the adr needs to be on a descendant of the element with the vcard for it to be considered part of the hCard, to my mind
- [19:58:53] <drewinthehead>
it would stand on its own, however
- [19:59:40] <cgriego>
it's too bad that there's no way to tie together multiple adr elements, because I could pull that off
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