IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-18
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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DanC_lap is DanC on his laptop.
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chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [04:57:19] <Frederic>
morning
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [07:05:19] <Frederic>
re
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk (+0000/+0100 GMT)
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- [08:31:50] <Whiskey_M>
'lo
- [08:32:03] <Ronnos>
m'ning
- [08:39:12] <drewinthehead>
greetings
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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- [09:48:30] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [09:56:44] <trovster>
drewinthehead: hey, don't suppose you've got time to clean-up a podcast, have ya?
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- [09:57:32] <drewinthehead>
probably not, trovster :) what is it?
- [09:58:14] <trovster>
Geek in the Park podcast.
- [09:58:54] <drewinthehead>
ah .. wassup with it?
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- [09:59:17] <trovster>
just needs cleaning up, stitched together really.
- [09:59:55] <drewinthehead>
it's noisy?
- [10:01:07] <trovster>
sounds alright, just think it needs normalizing
- [10:02:34] <drewinthehead>
and GB doesn't have that?
- [10:03:13] <trovster>
no idea, heh, gotta stitch the audio together, aswell. maybe look at it tonight, i suppose
- [10:10:42] <drewinthehead>
trovster: you're always wanting events outside London - how about this? http://www.sundowndemoparty.org/
- [10:10:59] <drewinthehead>
it's in Budleigh Salterton :D
- [10:11:21] <drewinthehead>
that hotbed of modern technical advancement
- [10:11:31] <Whiskey_M>
lol
- [10:12:02] <Whiskey_M>
silicon tor
- [10:13:01] <drewinthehead>
hah :)
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
- [13:23:13] <sreynen>
briansuda, i believe your "View on Google Maps" bookmarklet is missing a second escape() around the final location.href
- [13:24:12] <briansuda>
hm... do you have an example?
- [13:28:05] <sreynen>
If I load this page, and then click it, it breaks without the escape(): http://microformat.makedatamakesense.com/auto_geo/?special=technorati&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkitchen.technorati.com%2Fcontact%2Fsearch%2Fjoe
- [13:29:13] <sreynen>
that has other problems, but it works fine with escape()
- [13:32:38] <briansuda>
ok, i'm updating, but your link has a few PHP errors
- [13:33:01] <sreynen>
yeah, i know
- [13:33:50] <briansuda>
i updated the favelet and it seems to work for me - good catch
- [13:35:51] <sreynen>
thanks brian. i fixed my PHP errors too
- [13:36:43] <sreynen>
one step closer to mapping the web
- [13:37:11] <briansuda>
:)
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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- [14:36:59] <trovster>
drewinthehead: Got any contact with Flickr-folk?
- [14:37:10] <drewinthehead>
might have. *cough*
- [14:37:26] <drewinthehead>
depends on the request, to be honest. wassup?
- [14:37:58] <trovster>
Might wanna see a <span class="honorific-prefix">Dr</span> 'bout your cough
- [14:38:48] <drewinthehead>
:D
- [14:38:59] <trovster>
Well, I've never really 'got' groups, I want the photos not the discussion.
- [14:39:11] <trovster>
I'm looking for an RSS feed of my group photos, like friends
- [14:39:28] <briansuda>
or <abbr title="Doctor" class="honorific-prefix">Dr</abbr>
- [14:39:36] <drewinthehead>
feed for a group pool?
- [14:39:50] <trovster>
drewinthehead: Feed for ALL my groups... ;)
- [14:39:58] <drewinthehead>
ah
- [14:40:14] <trovster>
See where I'm coming from ;)
- [14:41:00] <drewinthehead>
probably the best thing to do is just post a feature request via the flickr forums ... there's a forum for suggestions
- [14:41:49] <drewinthehead>
or use one of the many feed aggregations services ;)
- [14:42:20] <trovster>
Urm, I'm using netvibes, and hvae just created a 'flickr' tab, but I don't want that
- [14:50:42] <drewinthehead>
i was thinking more of the things that process feeds
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- [14:55:46] <trovster>
drewinthehead: http://flickr.com/forums/ideas/27481/ :S
- [14:57:03] <drewinthehead>
cool. you might try something like this in the meantime http://www.feeddigest.com/
- [14:57:14] <mfbot>
[[compound-microformat-ja]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/compound-microformat-ja * IwaiMasaharu * (+503) english: 20:56, 25 Apr 2006
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[[hlisting-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-proposal&diff=0&oldid=8590 * AndyMabbett * (+24) UK English
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[[compound-microformat-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=compound-microformat-ja&diff=0&oldid=8591 * IwaiMasaharu * (+142)
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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[[elemental-microformat-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=elemental-microformat-ja&diff=0&oldid=8592 * IwaiMasaharu * (+26)
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Whafro is M. Jackson Wilkinson, a designer/developer for Grassroots Enterprise in Washington, DC
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[[compound-microformat-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=compound-microformat-ja&diff=0&oldid=8593 * IwaiMasaharu * (-3) 日本語表現の修正
- [15:30:04] <Whafro>
Hey guys... I've gotten my engineering team to add rel-tag throughout our platform, and they asked if there was a parser that would check the strict validity of it (ya know, including the url) that didn't require a public-facing page... any hints?
- [15:31:09] <drewinthehead>
afaik Whafro there is none
- [15:32:02] <drewinthehead>
rel-tag is actually pretty loose
- [15:32:17] <drewinthehead>
the only requirement for validity is that the last segment of the url is the tag
- [15:32:30] <Whafro>
right
- [15:32:41] <drewinthehead>
the page doesn't even need to exist (although it'd be a bit sucky for the user if it didn't!)
- [15:32:41] <Whafro>
I kinda listened to their request like "riiiight, well, you could just look at it"
- [15:32:56] <drewinthehead>
a basic link checker would get the 404s
- [15:33:18] <Whafro>
they want to make sure that things that use rel-tag recognize their links as such and act on them accordingly
- [15:33:33] <drewinthehead>
hmm
- [15:33:34] <Whafro>
by "things" I mean implementations like technorati, etc.
- [15:33:52] <drewinthehead>
and they want to be able to run it across an entire site?
- [15:33:57] <drewinthehead>
or just a page?
- [15:34:06] <Whafro>
well, no, not necessarily across a site... a page would suffice
- [15:34:26] <Whafro>
as long as they can say "okay, when we output this format, it gets recognized" ...
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- [15:35:01] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
- [15:35:32] <trovster>
<drewinthehead> the only requirement for validity is that the last segment of the url is the tag -- I don't like this restriction :( example.com/tag/dog/page2
- [15:35:58] <drewinthehead>
i have a javascript-based lint too in progress for checking rel values
- [15:36:07] <Whafro>
yeah, that restriction has been the biggest challenge for us, as we don't use pretty urls
- [15:36:11] <drewinthehead>
only doing XFN at the moment, but i could add rel-tag
- [15:36:29] <drewinthehead>
trovster: right. you'd need to use a querystring for that :/
- [15:36:57] <Whafro>
drewinthehead: that'd be great... hate to ask the obvious followup ;)
- [15:37:07] <trovster>
drewinthehead: Pardon?
- [15:37:27] <Whafro>
trovster: he's suggesting example.com/tag/dog/?page=2
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- [15:37:31] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
- [15:37:45] <drewinthehead>
what sort of deadlines are you on Whafro?
- [15:38:24] <drewinthehead>
i'll not be able to get to it today, but in the next couple of days is realistic
- [15:38:51] <mfbot>
[[buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=8594 * Ruben * (-1458)
- [15:39:11] <Whafro>
oh, ya, a couple of days is fine
- [15:39:37] <trovster>
drewinthehead: So, what Whafro said would be fine?
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[[buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=8595 * Ruben * (-25)
- [15:39:51] <drewinthehead>
?page=2 is fine
- [15:40:15] <drewinthehead>
rel-tag takes the last part of the URI, excluding any query or fragment
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- [15:41:05] <DanC>
hmm... why doesn't my "Wishing for XOXO microformat support in OmniOutliner" post (http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/162 ) show up in "blogs discussing this page" from http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo#Discussions ?
- [15:41:28] <mfbot>
[[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=8596 * IwaiMasaharu * (+66) How to contribute - Wiki翻訳のところを訳した
- [15:41:34] <DanC>
is it just a matter of time? Do I need to use some protocol beyond just HTTP referrer?
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[[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=8597 * IwaiMasaharu * (+202) sync: english: 22:16, 17 Sep 2006
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drewinthehead: Shame it doesn't work with nice URLs.
- [15:47:32] <trovster>
I thought microformats shouldn't hide data. So the actual data of the tag is the URL, therefore hidden.
- [15:47:58] <drewinthehead>
would you ever link to page2 and want to rel-tag it?
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I suppose the link itself would be <a href="">more</a> or <a href="">page 2</a> so that's nt the tag either
- [15:49:05] <drewinthehead>
but would you tag a tag page with its own tag?
- [15:49:12] <drewinthehead>
(tag tag tag)
- [15:49:26] <drewinthehead>
i'm not sure this is a restriction
- [15:49:40] <trovster>
It is relating to that tag.
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rel="more"
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- [15:51:01] <drewinthehead>
you wouldn't tag a 'more' link (rel="more" or something would indeed be better). tags are (obviously) for tagging content
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do you have a published example of this issue, coz i'm not sure where it'd crop up :)
- [15:51:44] <trovster>
Any pages medium of tags.
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http://flickr.com/photos/tags/cupertino/?page=2 meh, they're using query string :(
- [15:53:19] <drewinthehead>
querystrings aren't inherently evil
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they're only sometimes using query strings
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e.g. http://flickr.com/photos/friends/page2/
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Evening guys
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[[job-listing-examples-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=job-listing-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=8598 * ChristopheDucamp * (+117) translation in progress
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whafro, trovster, the tag URL pattern comes from existing practice on early/popular/dominant tagging sites such as del.icio.us and flickr
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tantek: So, what are your thoughts?
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and frankly, partly its there to apply more pressure for cleaner URLs
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which has actually worked in many cases
- [15:57:20] <trovster>
Except, this falls down when the information related to the tag is paged.
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the tag link SHOULD go somewhere
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trovster - that doesn't make any sense
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the "tag" page is the page that "defines" the tag
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not some subset navigation into it
- [15:58:21] <drewinthehead>
you'd never link to 'page 2' of the set as a tag definition
- [15:58:37] <tantek>
right
- [15:58:38] <trovster>
So, would rel="more" take the tag attributes associated with the page it's coming from?
- [15:59:02] <tantek>
why would it?
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why should it?
- [16:00:44] <trovster>
Why should the page loose it's association as a tag, just because the information presented on that page as overflowed to more pages?
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
- [16:01:40] <drewinthehead>
remember you're describing a relationship conveyed by a link, trovster
- [16:02:56] <drewinthehead>
you're not describing the tag page by linking to it with a tag
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[[buttons-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons-fr&diff=0&oldid=8599 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1418) updating
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[[icons-ja]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/icons-ja * IwaiMasaharu * (+1321) english: 03:37, 14 Sep 2006
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[[icons-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-ja&diff=0&oldid=8606 * IwaiMasaharu * (+0) 単語の翻訳
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?def bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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[[User:IwaiMasaharu/english-to-japanese-map]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu/english-to-japanese-map&diff=0&oldid=8607 * IwaiMasaharu * (+21) 英日対訳表 A-G -
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[[icons-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-ja&diff=0&oldid=8608 * IwaiMasaharu * (+12) 単語を訳して完訳
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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hey guys, i'm trying to use mercurial/hg to get the latest source of x2v but it keeps telling me that no repo was found? a quick search on the wiki didn't seem to turn up much info. any ideas?
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scottjungling: what command are you using?
- [20:10:45] <scottjungling>
hg pull http://hg.microformats.org/x2v
- [20:10:55] <scottjungling>
which is what i found on the mailing list archive from April-ish
- [20:11:21] <kingryan>
you need to use clone the first time
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$ hg clone http://hg.microformats.org/x2v
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after than you can use pull to get changes
- [20:11:43] <scottjungling>
ah ha
- [20:12:25] <scottjungling>
awesome, thanks ryan
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out of curiosity, is there a MF wiki page for using HG with the repo?
- [20:13:13] <kingryan>
no
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you want to start one? :D
- [20:14:08] <scottjungling>
sure
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8609 * ScottJungling * (+70) Added link to new page on howto download code from mercurial
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hmm... on the main page?
- [20:25:14] <scottjungling>
i put it next to the link to the source code repository
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if there's a more logical place, go ahead and move it
- [20:25:53] <DanC>
no... I see there's an existing " Tools & Test Cases & Additional Research" section there.
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i believe that's where i put the link
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right; I didn't realize there was already a link to the hg stuff from the main page until now
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some hg howto stuff is in/near http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-tests
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gotcha
- [20:28:31] <kingryan>
scottjungling: if you could start by just documenting the stuff you had problems with, that'd be great
- [20:29:27] <scottjungling>
sure thing
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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hi briansuda
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hello
- [20:42:29] <kingryan>
I just merged the hatom stuff into x2v
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working on merging the tests into the test repo
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into x2v or into hg? or both?
- [20:43:52] <kingryan>
huh?
- [20:43:58] <kingryan>
x2v is in hg
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I'm merging it into the x2v hg repo
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ok, i didn't know if you were merging it into the actual XSLT files or the repo
- [20:45:08] <kingryan>
no
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there's a new file called hAtom2Atom.xsl
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and it has all the svn history from robert's repo
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[[mercurial-quick-start]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/mercurial-quick-start * ScottJungling * (+1723)
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excellent
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kingryan, could you quickly check the page i just created? first time on the wiki, want to make sure i meet all the conventions
- [20:52:29] <kingryan>
alright, tests merged too
- [20:52:34] <kingryan>
gonna send email to mf-dev
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I'm looking for information on anyone who has experience with integrating joomla with microformats
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=8610 * AndyMabbett * (+34) more diverse range of example sources
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