IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-10-14

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  6. [00:30:41] <mfbot> [[licensing-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/licensing-brainstorming * Mike Linksvayer * (+1855) first cut, very beginning
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  11. [00:58:00] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  12. [01:00:48] <mfbot> [[vote-links-ja]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/vote-links-ja * Vantguarde * (+4523) Created.
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  81. [09:50:01] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  87. [10:48:51] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=9450 * Tantek * (+90)
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  94. [11:28:34] <jibot> kensanata is blogging at http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/
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  107. [13:36:18] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  111. [13:58:03] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  114. [14:08:58] <drewinthehead> greetings people of the internets
  115. [14:12:58] <mfbot> [[User:KierenPitts]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:KierenPitts * KierenPitts * (+462)
  116. [14:15:34] <mfbot> [[species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=9451 * KierenPitts * (+198) Contributors -
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  123. [14:48:31] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  125. [14:55:34] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  126. [15:01:27] <mfbot> [[vote-links-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-ja&diff=0&oldid=9452 * Vantguarde * (+383) Specification
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  131. [15:48:10] <BobJonkman> Hi all: the page http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-xhtml-design-principles is entirely a template -- is this correct, or should it become a regular Wiki page?
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  137. [16:22:37] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  139. [16:25:40] <mfbot> [[semantic-xhtml-design-principles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml-design-principles&diff=0&oldid=9453 * Bob Jonkman * (+2142) Replace template link with actual text
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  143. [16:40:41] <jibot> trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
  144. [16:43:16] <mfbot> [[semantic-xhtml-design-principles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml-design-principles&diff=0&oldid=9454 * Bob Jonkman * (+1052) Added section from a mailing list post by Tantek
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  146. [16:53:14] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  150. [17:05:54] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  159. [17:49:34] <mfbot> [[media-info-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-formats * 1160847368 * (+7686)
  160. [17:49:45] <mfbot> [[Talk:relpayment-research-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:relpayment-research-fr * 1160847368 * (+7686)
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  170. [17:51:29] <mfbot> [[Talk:rest/urls]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rest/urls * 1160847427 * (+7686)
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  179. [18:32:54] <SignpostMarv> Anyone free to help me with a nesting of microformats issue I (or the Tails extension for FF) seem to be having ?
  180. [18:33:16] <BobJonkman> Sure...
  181. [18:33:47] <SignpostMarv> Not sure where to start explaining from, but the html output is here: http://slopenid.net/test.php
  182. [18:34:11] <SignpostMarv> I'm using hCard, hReview and geo
  183. [18:34:45] <SignpostMarv> Not sure if it's something I've done, or something Tails doesn't like about my output, but the hReview data does not seem to be getting picked up correctly
  184. [18:35:12] <SignpostMarv> Previous version of output is here: http://slopenid.net/domesdayBook/
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  186. [18:36:50] <SignpostMarv> I have a tendancy to create bugs by making typos and not see glaringly obvious causes of problems
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  188. [18:37:33] <BobJonkman> I've got Tails Export, which gives me three hCards (two with geo), and three reviews on http://slopenid.net/test.php
  189. [18:38:16] <SignpostMarv> the information in the ratings definition list is meant to be in the hReview- is it just my version of Tails that's being an ass ?
  190. [18:38:38] <BobJonkman> I see some "proprietary attributes" of "classs"
  191. [18:38:44] <BobJonkman> typos?
  192. [18:38:52] <SignpostMarv> hehe
  193. [18:38:58] <SignpostMarv> lemme go and check
  194. [18:39:34] <SignpostMarv> fixed
  195. [18:39:48] <BobJonkman> Grab the HTML Tidy extension: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/
  196. [18:40:43] <BobJonkman> Great for spotting booboos.
  197. [18:41:13] <SignpostMarv> the new version is generated with PHP's DOM functions, whereas the old version uses a big-ass heredoc block
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  199. [18:41:37] <BobJonkman> Sorry, my PHP-fu level is zero
  200. [18:41:50] <SignpostMarv> and so is my PHP-DOM-fu level :-D
  201. [18:42:56] * SignpostMarv is getting "unable to connect" error on the extension download
  202. [18:43:43] <BobJonkman> There still seems to be some bad nesting with <ul> and <a>, lines 11 and 14
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  204. [18:44:34] <SignpostMarv> yeah, I'm seeing that on the w3.org validator
  205. [18:45:21] <BobJonkman> My experience is that the Tails extension bork on bad (X)HTML
  206. [18:46:47] * SignpostMarv is grabbing the tidy extension from addons.mozilla
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  208. [18:47:36] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  210. [18:48:11] <SignpostMarv> I've got some other microformat related questions once I've fixed this one if you have time as well :D
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  212. [18:49:03] <BobJonkman> SignpostMarv: You've got <span class="hreview vcard">, at the same level. I think the vcard may need to be inside the hreview
  213. [18:51:32] <BobJonkman> From the examples at http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview it seems that <span class="hreview"><span class="vcard reviewer"> is the way to do it.
  214. [18:52:05] * SignpostMarv goes and checks
  215. [18:52:44] <tantek> BobJonkman is correct
  216. [18:53:03] * SignpostMarv goes and tweaks the PHP
  217. [18:55:23] <SignpostMarv> tweaked
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  219. [18:56:19] * SignpostMarv goes and checks over the hreview examples for the correct way to "review" a person
  220. [18:56:50] <tantek> "item vcard"
  221. [18:57:11] * SignpostMarv has done that :)
  222. [18:57:18] * BobJonkman refreshes http://slopenid.net/test.php
  223. [18:57:48] <SignpostMarv> While I'm tweaking other things, would I be able to get help on my next microformats question ?
  224. [18:58:07] <SignpostMarv> specifically, XFN
  225. [19:00:01] * evanpro__ (n=evanpro@207.134.56.158) Quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
  226. [19:00:24] <SignpostMarv> the site displays profiles of Residents of Second Life, how should I, or XFN, differentiate between the relationships between the avatars and the people behind the avatars ?
  227. [19:01:16] <BobJonkman> My XFN-fu level is zero too...
  228. [19:01:17] <SignpostMarv> e.g. rel="neighbor" in the context of SL means your avatar has a parcel next to the resident specified in the link
  229. [19:04:58] <SignpostMarv> rel="met" meaning you've met the avatar but not the person etc etc
  230. [19:06:49] <SignpostMarv> i know using XFN for artificial persons is forking the meaning slightly, but I'm not entirely sure how to handle it
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  232. [19:11:14] * SignpostMarv has fixed the xhtml validation errors
  233. [19:20:34] <tantek> SignpostMarv - so far, rel="met" stricly means *physically* met
  234. [19:20:43] <tantek> the FAQ/background documents discuss this a bit
  235. [19:20:58] <tantek> we definitely thought about introducing other virtual-met type value(s)
  236. [19:21:05] <tantek> but for now, let's strict with met = met IRL
  237. [19:21:16] <tantek> http://gmpg.org/xfn/faq
  238. [19:21:20] <tantek> http://gmpg.org/xfn/background
  239. [19:23:26] * SignpostMarv multi-tasks reading with fixing annoying PHP bugs
  240. [19:24:56] <SignpostMarv> okay, so that answers the usage of rel="met", but what about the other values ?
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  242. [19:26:27] <tantek> signpostmarv - I believe your other questions may likely be answered by reading the above two URLs
  243. [19:26:30] <tantek> g2g
  244. [19:26:40] <SignpostMarv> kk
  245. [19:29:22] <SignpostMarv> the question then becomes if I'm still wanting to be anal retentive with all this data that can be grabbed from LSL, would it be a case of prefixing the SL-specific usages of XFN with "second-life-", and knocking up a forked profile to specify in the <head> ?
  246. [19:31:48] <SignpostMarv> i mean there's types of relationships that exist in SL that also exist in RL as well. rel="landlord", rel="tenant", rel="client" etc
  247. [19:32:34] * BobJonkman goes out shopping. Bye!
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  249. [19:33:30] <SignpostMarv> say for example Aimee Weber had a profile on SLOpenID- she could plop in a rel="client" to the UN and American Apparel
  250. [19:34:29] <SignpostMarv> people renting land from Anshe Chung could link to her site by rel="landlord"
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  252. [19:42:59] <SignpostMarv> So basically what I'm asking is, if I wanted to create extensions to microformats for the purposes and contexts of Second Life, what would the way to go about it be ?
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  268. [21:04:11] <SignpostMarv> I'm still unsure as to whether I'm breaking hCard/hReview or if it's just the tails extension not liking what I'm doing
  269. [21:06:06] <SignpostMarv> although it seems to be that Tails is glooming over any class attribute that has "title" in whether it's foo-title or bar-title
  270. [21:11:08] <mfbot> [[species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=9455 * AndyMabbett * (+379) See also - Taxon Checker
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