IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-10-14
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[[licensing-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/licensing-brainstorming * Mike Linksvayer * (+1855) first cut, very beginning
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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[[vote-links-ja]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/vote-links-ja * Vantguarde * (+4523) Created.
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[[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=9448 * Vantguarde * (+17)
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[[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=9449 * Vantguarde * (-1)
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qid is David Osolkowski (http://wadny.com/)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=9450 * Tantek * (+90)
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kensanata is blogging at http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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greetings people of the internets
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[[User:KierenPitts]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:KierenPitts * KierenPitts * (+462)
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[[species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=9451 * KierenPitts * (+198) Contributors -
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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[[vote-links-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-ja&diff=0&oldid=9452 * Vantguarde * (+383) Specification
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Hi all: the page http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-xhtml-design-principles is entirely a template -- is this correct, or should it become a regular Wiki page?
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[semantic-xhtml-design-principles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml-design-principles&diff=0&oldid=9453 * Bob Jonkman * (+2142) Replace template link with actual text
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trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
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[[semantic-xhtml-design-principles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml-design-principles&diff=0&oldid=9454 * Bob Jonkman * (+1052) Added section from a mailing list post by Tantek
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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[[media-info-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-formats * 1160847368 * (+7686)
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[[Talk:relpayment-research-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:relpayment-research-fr * 1160847368 * (+7686)
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[[Talk:geo-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:geo-fr * 1160847368 * (+7686)
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[[Talk:irc-meetups]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:irc-meetups * 1160847368 * (+7686)
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[[blog-info-formats-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/blog-info-formats-fr * 1160847368 * (+7686)
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[[DeanEro]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/DeanEro * 1160847427 * (+7686)
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[[Talk:hcalendar-examples-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcalendar-examples-fr * 1160847427 * (+7686)
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[[Talk:rest/urls]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rest/urls * 1160847427 * (+7686)
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- [18:32:54] <SignpostMarv>
Anyone free to help me with a nesting of microformats issue I (or the Tails extension for FF) seem to be having ?
- [18:33:16] <BobJonkman>
Sure...
- [18:33:47] <SignpostMarv>
Not sure where to start explaining from, but the html output is here: http://slopenid.net/test.php
- [18:34:11] <SignpostMarv>
I'm using hCard, hReview and geo
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Not sure if it's something I've done, or something Tails doesn't like about my output, but the hReview data does not seem to be getting picked up correctly
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Previous version of output is here: http://slopenid.net/domesdayBook/
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- [18:36:50] <SignpostMarv>
I have a tendancy to create bugs by making typos and not see glaringly obvious causes of problems
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- [18:37:33] <BobJonkman>
I've got Tails Export, which gives me three hCards (two with geo), and three reviews on http://slopenid.net/test.php
- [18:38:16] <SignpostMarv>
the information in the ratings definition list is meant to be in the hReview- is it just my version of Tails that's being an ass ?
- [18:38:38] <BobJonkman>
I see some "proprietary attributes" of "classs"
- [18:38:44] <BobJonkman>
typos?
- [18:38:52] <SignpostMarv>
hehe
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lemme go and check
- [18:39:34] <SignpostMarv>
fixed
- [18:39:48] <BobJonkman>
Grab the HTML Tidy extension: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/
- [18:40:43] <BobJonkman>
Great for spotting booboos.
- [18:41:13] <SignpostMarv>
the new version is generated with PHP's DOM functions, whereas the old version uses a big-ass heredoc block
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- [18:41:37] <BobJonkman>
Sorry, my PHP-fu level is zero
- [18:41:50] <SignpostMarv>
and so is my PHP-DOM-fu level :-D
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- [18:43:43] <BobJonkman>
There still seems to be some bad nesting with <ul> and <a>, lines 11 and 14
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- [18:44:34] <SignpostMarv>
yeah, I'm seeing that on the w3.org validator
- [18:45:21] <BobJonkman>
My experience is that the Tails extension bork on bad (X)HTML
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- [18:48:11] <SignpostMarv>
I've got some other microformat related questions once I've fixed this one if you have time as well :D
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- [18:49:03] <BobJonkman>
SignpostMarv: You've got <span class="hreview vcard">, at the same level. I think the vcard may need to be inside the hreview
- [18:51:32] <BobJonkman>
From the examples at http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview it seems that <span class="hreview"><span class="vcard reviewer"> is the way to do it.
- [18:52:05] * SignpostMarv goes and checks
- [18:52:44] <tantek>
BobJonkman is correct
- [18:53:03] * SignpostMarv goes and tweaks the PHP
- [18:55:23] <SignpostMarv>
tweaked
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- [18:56:50] <tantek>
"item vcard"
- [18:57:11] * SignpostMarv has done that :)
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- [18:57:48] <SignpostMarv>
While I'm tweaking other things, would I be able to get help on my next microformats question ?
- [18:58:07] <SignpostMarv>
specifically, XFN
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- [19:00:24] <SignpostMarv>
the site displays profiles of Residents of Second Life, how should I, or XFN, differentiate between the relationships between the avatars and the people behind the avatars ?
- [19:01:16] <BobJonkman>
My XFN-fu level is zero too...
- [19:01:17] <SignpostMarv>
e.g. rel="neighbor" in the context of SL means your avatar has a parcel next to the resident specified in the link
- [19:04:58] <SignpostMarv>
rel="met" meaning you've met the avatar but not the person etc etc
- [19:06:49] <SignpostMarv>
i know using XFN for artificial persons is forking the meaning slightly, but I'm not entirely sure how to handle it
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- [19:20:34] <tantek>
SignpostMarv - so far, rel="met" stricly means *physically* met
- [19:20:43] <tantek>
the FAQ/background documents discuss this a bit
- [19:20:58] <tantek>
we definitely thought about introducing other virtual-met type value(s)
- [19:21:05] <tantek>
but for now, let's strict with met = met IRL
- [19:21:16] <tantek>
http://gmpg.org/xfn/faq
- [19:21:20] <tantek>
http://gmpg.org/xfn/background
- [19:23:26] * SignpostMarv multi-tasks reading with fixing annoying PHP bugs
- [19:24:56] <SignpostMarv>
okay, so that answers the usage of rel="met", but what about the other values ?
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- [19:26:27] <tantek>
signpostmarv - I believe your other questions may likely be answered by reading the above two URLs
- [19:26:30] <tantek>
g2g
- [19:26:40] <SignpostMarv>
kk
- [19:29:22] <SignpostMarv>
the question then becomes if I'm still wanting to be anal retentive with all this data that can be grabbed from LSL, would it be a case of prefixing the SL-specific usages of XFN with "second-life-", and knocking up a forked profile to specify in the <head> ?
- [19:31:48] <SignpostMarv>
i mean there's types of relationships that exist in SL that also exist in RL as well. rel="landlord", rel="tenant", rel="client" etc
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- [19:33:30] <SignpostMarv>
say for example Aimee Weber had a profile on SLOpenID- she could plop in a rel="client" to the UN and American Apparel
- [19:34:29] <SignpostMarv>
people renting land from Anshe Chung could link to her site by rel="landlord"
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- [19:42:59] <SignpostMarv>
So basically what I'm asking is, if I wanted to create extensions to microformats for the purposes and contexts of Second Life, what would the way to go about it be ?
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- [21:04:11] <SignpostMarv>
I'm still unsure as to whether I'm breaking hCard/hReview or if it's just the tails extension not liking what I'm doing
- [21:06:06] <SignpostMarv>
although it seems to be that Tails is glooming over any class attribute that has "title" in whether it's foo-title or bar-title
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[[species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=9455 * AndyMabbett * (+379) See also - Taxon Checker
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