IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-11-26
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- [00:04:01] <jibot>
veeliam is William Lawrence of Quiddities Dev out of Santa Cruz and he does something at http://zaxbypass.com and here and there
- [00:04:21] <veeliam>
hello all! i've gots a question
- [00:05:26] <veeliam>
when adding a link on a website to "download" my hcard with technorati, what's best, http://www.technorati.com/contacts/.... or http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/.... ?
- [00:05:31] <veeliam>
or is there a difference?
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- [02:22:08] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
- [02:56:37] <Token->
tantek Which is your earn in anual salary on technorath microformats developer?
- [02:56:51] <Token->
annual
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- [03:42:27] <veeliam>
so, what's better, http://www.technorati.com/contacts/.... or http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/.... ?
- [03:43:55] <factoryjoe>
the former
- [03:44:46] <veeliam>
without the "feeds", eh? goood.
- [03:45:27] <veeliam>
but, why the difference? has there been a discussion about this somewhere?
- [03:47:05] <factoryjoe>
it's a 'rati thing
- [03:47:14] <factoryjoe>
they changed the url schema awhile back
- [03:47:17] <factoryjoe>
i have no idea why
- [03:47:23] <factoryjoe>
tantek or KevinMarks might have some clue
- [03:48:02] <tantek>
no, for the transform it is still http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/URLofPageWhCards
- [03:48:02] <factoryjoe>
tantek: you around?
- [03:48:11] <factoryjoe>
so what's the former for?
- [03:48:24] <tantek>
of course if you "go there" without a URL it will direct you to the web interface
- [03:48:36] <tantek>
one is the conversion service (feeds.)
- [03:48:45] <tantek>
and the other is the web UI to the conversion service
- [03:48:49] <tantek>
get it?
- [03:48:53] <factoryjoe>
ah
- [03:48:56] <factoryjoe>
understood
- [03:49:01] <factoryjoe>
veeliam: there you go
- [03:49:02] <factoryjoe>
so
- [03:49:04] <factoryjoe>
tantek
- [03:49:07] <factoryjoe>
got a moment?
- [03:49:10] <tantek>
not really
- [03:49:28] <veeliam>
ok, so for coding into the sites, it ought to be feeds, yes?
- [03:49:32] <tantek>
yes
- [03:49:43] <factoryjoe>
hmm
- [03:49:44] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [03:49:46] <factoryjoe>
i'll post to the list
- [03:49:48] <veeliam>
thank you
- [03:49:58] <tantek>
fj - might as well ask
- [03:50:03] <tantek>
someone else might answer too ;)
- [03:50:03] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [03:50:08] <factoryjoe>
i took matters into my own hands
- [03:50:14] <tantek>
plus asking here puts it in the archives
- [03:50:19] <tantek>
in many ways as good as posting on the list
- [03:50:25] <tantek>
except more efficient
- [03:50:27] <factoryjoe>
it seemed silly that people wanted to split the mailing list into a forum
- [03:50:30] * tantek is really getting tired of email.
- [03:50:36] <tantek>
yes it was silly
- [03:50:40] <factoryjoe>
when really they wanted RSS + alternative views of the same data
- [03:50:43] <factoryjoe>
so
- [03:50:44] <factoryjoe>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microformats/
- [03:50:45] <tantek>
totally thinking that tool-jerking would help
- [03:50:50] <tantek>
that's so not the top level problem
- [03:50:55] <veeliam>
i searched the mfbot before i asked here.
- [03:50:59] <tantek>
it's pretty much a waste of time
- [03:51:01] <factoryjoe>
anyway
- [03:51:04] <tantek>
veeliam - np
- [03:51:05] <factoryjoe>
i set up a google group
- [03:51:10] <factoryjoe>
that sucks up mf-discuss
- [03:51:13] <factoryjoe>
it's a mirror
- [03:51:17] <factoryjoe>
it doesn't allow posting
- [03:51:27] <tantek>
you just duplicated gmane.org
- [03:51:28] <factoryjoe>
but it's got RSS, search and the features that forums provide
- [03:51:29] <tantek>
for no good reason
- [03:51:30] <factoryjoe>
sure
- [03:51:41] <factoryjoe>
i prefer the UI of the google groups beta
- [03:51:47] <factoryjoe>
is MF on gmane?
- [03:51:51] <tantek>
you just reinvented instead of reused
- [03:51:53] <tantek>
yes
- [03:51:55] <tantek>
been there for ages
- [03:52:02] <factoryjoe>
wasn't aware
- [03:52:05] <tantek>
always assume something exists before you go off reinventing it
- [03:52:10] <tantek>
search for it as if it exists
- [03:52:18] <tantek>
only when you're fairly convinced it doesn't
- [03:52:21] <factoryjoe>
i never heard anyone bring that up in the discussion
- [03:52:24] <tantek>
then *ask* if anyone else knows it exists
- [03:52:27] <factoryjoe>
well
- [03:52:28] <factoryjoe>
whatever
- [03:52:31] <tantek>
before going off an revinventing it
- [03:52:32] <factoryjoe>
i opted for action this time
- [03:52:38] <factoryjoe>
i didn't reinvent anything
- [03:52:39] <tantek>
and then and only then go off and create it
- [03:52:42] <factoryjoe>
i used a tool that's available to me
- [03:52:43] <tantek>
and tell people you did
- [03:52:51] <tantek>
you will do a lot less duplicate effort this way
- [03:52:59] <factoryjoe>
even if i'm the only only who uses it, i'll get benefit out of it
- [03:53:26] <tantek>
remember what happened with the pbwiki you setup instead of creating more pages on the microformats wiki?
- [03:53:37] <tantek>
duplicated effort is nearly always a waste of time
- [03:53:47] <factoryjoe>
i do
- [03:53:49] <factoryjoe>
nothing
- [03:53:52] <tantek>
this is all about your own efficiency
- [03:54:01] <tantek>
up to you if you want to expend your time duplicating efforts of course
- [03:54:08] <factoryjoe>
the MF wiki still has all the problems that I was concerned about then
- [03:54:11] <factoryjoe>
except now it's worse
- [03:54:16] <tantek>
but the point is your pbwiki did nothing to help it
- [03:54:16] <factoryjoe>
that's right
- [03:54:19] <tantek>
that's the point
- [03:54:24] <tantek>
therefore creating it was a waste of time
- [03:54:27] <factoryjoe>
hmm
- [03:54:38] <tantek>
it's up to you how efficient you want to be
- [03:54:51] <factoryjoe>
i suppose, in the totality of things i could have done, the effort used could have been used more productively
- [03:54:54] <tantek>
i'm only here to help you be more efficient if you choose to be
- [03:54:57] <veeliam>
it could have been that creating it was the only way for him to learn. no?
- [03:54:58] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [03:55:01] <factoryjoe>
yes master tantek
- [03:55:02] <tantek>
but that choice is up to you
- [03:55:03] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [03:55:13] <factoryjoe>
exactly
- [03:55:20] <factoryjoe>
i need to make my own mistakes, you know
- [03:55:21] <tantek>
veeliam - then it should take exactly one duplicate action to learn
- [03:55:25] <factoryjoe>
that's the best way i learn
- [03:55:26] <tantek>
rather than 2 ;)
- [03:55:30] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [03:55:34] <factoryjoe>
touché
- [03:55:36] <tantek>
also
- [03:55:43] <tantek>
learn from others' duplicate actions
- [03:55:48] <tantek>
rather than having to do it yourself
- [03:55:49] <tantek>
even once
- [03:55:50] <veeliam>
but there are so many mediums to go through.
- [03:56:28] <tantek>
no one needs to make their own mistakes, but most prefer to
- [03:56:39] <tantek>
in this day an age of massive public documentation
- [03:56:48] <tantek>
there are plenty of others' mistakes out there to learn from
- [03:56:51] <factoryjoe>
i disagree
- [03:57:02] <factoryjoe>
you're refuting the essence of education
- [03:57:17] <factoryjoe>
surely you don't contend that you should believe everything that you're told or that you read
- [03:57:23] <tantek>
you're right, education has not accounted for the disruption that is the web, search engines, realtime search, wikipedia etc.
- [03:57:24] <factoryjoe>
mr OBEY
- [03:57:25] <veeliam>
do as i say, and not as i do?
- [03:57:48] <tantek>
the essence of education has already been refuted. education just hasn't realized it yet.
- [03:58:00] <factoryjoe>
i'd prefer to be able to recall my own personal anecdotes about why something works than rely, always, on other's experiences
- [03:58:08] <tantek>
you can learn faster and cheaper from others' mistakes than your own.
- [03:58:15] <factoryjoe>
not as deeply
- [03:58:22] <tantek>
err on the side of learning from others' mistakes
- [03:58:33] <tantek>
because even then you'll (all of us) make plenty of your own, don't worry
- [03:58:41] <factoryjoe>
i'll start there, but never settle for knowing completely on that basis
- [03:58:54] <factoryjoe>
you're a matrix fan, you know i couldn't accept that line of thinking
- [03:58:58] <tantek>
Esther Dyson says always make new mistakes
- [03:59:10] <tantek>
I interpret that to mean new for the world, not just new for yourself
- [03:59:11] <factoryjoe>
good advice, presuming there are new mistakes to malke
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make
- [03:59:22] <tantek>
there are always new mistakes to make
- [03:59:25] <factoryjoe>
there are very few new mistakes to make
- [03:59:34] <tantek>
there's lots of them
- [03:59:37] <factoryjoe>
only foreign contexts and circumstances and societies
- [03:59:42] <tantek>
but people seem to prefer repeating old mistakes
- [03:59:46] <tantek>
c.f. history
- [03:59:46] <factoryjoe>
they're *different*, rarely new
- [03:59:57] <factoryjoe>
ironically
- [04:00:11] <factoryjoe>
those who preach watching history sometimes get whacked in the face by the future
- [04:00:12] * tantek ducks factoryjoe's pedantic semantic trap.
- [04:00:18] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [04:00:25] <factoryjoe>
iraq <-->vietname
- [04:00:28] <factoryjoe>
vietnam
- [04:00:34] <factoryjoe>
same mistake? or new context?
- [04:00:45] <factoryjoe>
new mistake? same ignorance?
- [04:00:57] <factoryjoe>
smoking? alcohol?
- [04:00:59] <factoryjoe>
etc
- [04:01:11] <factoryjoe>
i guess that's when we quickly get into the discussions of morals
- [04:01:24] <factoryjoe>
and what is, at base, "morally right" or "morally justifiable"
- [04:01:30] <factoryjoe>
the true in truth
- [04:01:41] <factoryjoe>
see? we've been having the same conversations since the grecian times
- [04:01:52] <factoryjoe>
is what's true for you the same for me?
- [04:02:05] <factoryjoe>
are the lessons you've learned from your mistakes the same lessons i'd learn or *should* learn?
- [04:02:21] <factoryjoe>
wherein does free will come to bear?
- [04:02:50] <factoryjoe>
where does individuality lie if we can learn all we need to know simply by following the logical mistake-paths of others?
- [04:02:57] <factoryjoe>
.fin
- [04:04:22] <factoryjoe>
wow -- speechless?
- [04:04:52] <veeliam>
all i have to say, factoryjoe, is that both of you are right.
- [04:05:05] <veeliam>
you've been arguing around in circles
- [04:05:23] <veeliam>
the cynic and the optimist
- [04:05:30] <factoryjoe>
indeed
- [04:05:36] <factoryjoe>
it's the typical roles we take
- [04:05:39] <veeliam>
take your pick
- [04:05:52] <factoryjoe>
tantek is the ultimate pragmatist
- [04:06:20] <factoryjoe>
our approach to things is exceptionally different
- [04:06:29] <factoryjoe>
which is probably why we complement each other fairly well
- [04:07:06] <veeliam>
as an outsider, i concur.
- [04:07:22] * tantek is not speechless - he GTD-filtered factoryjoe's pedantic semantic trap to /dev/null.
- [04:08:47] <veeliam>
so tantek, do you deny that you and factoryjoe complement each other?
- [04:12:29] <factoryjoe>
ah well, we've lost him
- [04:12:52] <factoryjoe>
his loop was returning zero
- [04:12:58] <factoryjoe>
his logic bailed on him
- [04:13:22] <veeliam>
you about lost me too. i was just waiting to see the batch result
- [04:14:43] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [04:14:52] <factoryjoe>
oh well
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- [04:14:57] <factoryjoe>
i was just rambling nonsense anyway
- [04:15:22] <veeliam>
well, i hope the nonsense you rambled you believed.
- [04:15:29] <veeliam>
if just a little.
- [04:16:43] <factoryjoe>
i did
- [04:16:47] <factoryjoe>
i almost always do
- [04:16:56] <factoryjoe>
i have a hard time saying things i don't believe
- [04:17:07] <veeliam>
good.
- [04:17:09] <factoryjoe>
which gets me in trouble some times
- [04:17:10] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [04:18:15] <veeliam>
so back on topic, if for just a little bit, what do you believe is the future of microformats?
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- [04:19:25] <veeliam>
ignore that last question.
- [04:19:43] <veeliam>
what i really want to know is the difference between hcard and vcard.
- [04:20:11] <factoryjoe>
really?
- [04:20:18] <factoryjoe>
those are two *very* different questions
- [04:20:31] <veeliam>
really.
- [04:20:32] <veeliam>
i know.
- [04:20:57] <veeliam>
the first, former, question ought to be a no brainer.
- [04:21:14] <veeliam>
the second question is me showing my ignorance.
- [04:23:09] <veeliam>
never-mind again. i found the answer i was looking for.
- [04:25:32] <factoryjoe>
heh
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- [05:23:38] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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[[rel-tag-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-ja&diff=0&oldid=10700 * IwaiMasaharu * (+167) sync: english: 12:07, 26 Nov 2006
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[[how-to-play-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play-ja&diff=0&oldid=10701 * IwaiMasaharu * (+12) How to Play - 表現の変更
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[[Main Page-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-ja&diff=0&oldid=10702 * IwaiMasaharu * (+11) How to contribute -
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[[rel-tag-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues&diff=0&oldid=10704 * AndyMabbett * (+522) WCAG 13.6
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[[rel-tag-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues&diff=0&oldid=10705 * AndyMabbett * (+0) WCAG 13.6
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=10706 * AndyMabbett * (+0) move Yedda from 'Implementations' to Examples i t Wild'
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how do you mark up lists in the wiki?
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=10707 * AndyMabbett * (+535) Boilerplate; clarify headings
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[[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=10708 * AndyMabbett * (+376) new 'Examples in the Wild' section
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[[Talk:hlisting-extended-examples-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hlisting-extended-examples-fr * 1164573738 * (+1637)
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[[Talk:media-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:media-formats * 1164573930 * (+1637)
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[[Talk:stock-symbol-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:stock-symbol-examples * 1164573930 * (+1637)
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[[cheatsheet/hCard]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/cheatsheet/hCard * JulianStahnke * (+963)
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if I use javascript to getElementById("adr1") - what's the easiest way to then get that elements children by class name (street-address, et al)?
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is there a "programming examples" page on the mf wiki?
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[[cheatsheet/hCard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet/hCard&diff=0&oldid=10719 * JulianStahnke * (+100)
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[[cheatsheet/hCard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet/hCard&diff=0&oldid=10720 * JulianStahnke * (+8)
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[[cheatsheet/hCard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet/hCard&diff=0&oldid=10721 * JulianStahnke * (+176)
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[[parsing-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=parsing-microformats&diff=0&oldid=10722 * AndrewTurner * (+343) Added getElementsByClassName example
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how do I make an internal link to, for example, http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-singular-properties#n in the wiki edit markup thing?
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[[parsing-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=parsing-microformats&diff=0&oldid=10723 * AndrewTurner * (+9) JavaScript example -
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[[pagename]
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[[adr]]
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but what if I want the text in the link to be different from the name of the page?
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- [21:46:05] <julianstahnke>
hcard-singular-properties#n is not a great link text for what I want :(
- [21:46:52] <ajturner>
[[adr | address]]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page#Links_and_URLs
- [21:48:55] <julianstahnke>
ah, thanks very much!
- [21:49:01] <ajturner>
np
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[[cheatsheet/hCard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet/hCard&diff=0&oldid=10725 * JulianStahnke * (+279)
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[[cheatsheet/hCard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet/hCard&diff=0&oldid=10726 * JulianStahnke * (+693)
- [22:06:11] <julianstahnke>
is there a list of what the hCard properties mean, other than the reference to RFC 2426 in the hCard Profile?
- [22:06:19] <tantek>
hi julian
- [22:06:22] <julianstahnke>
hello
- [22:06:38] <tantek>
that's it currently
- [22:06:45] <tantek>
btw - please keep wiki names lower case
- [22:06:55] <julianstahnke>
oh, sorry!
- [22:06:59] <julianstahnke>
how can I change that?
- [22:07:01] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-conventions
- [22:07:05] <tantek>
i'll rename it now
- [22:07:17] <julianstahnke>
ah, cheers
- [22:07:19] <tantek>
oh and the other thing
- [22:07:37] <julianstahnke>
yes?
- [22:07:44] <tantek>
we should be avoiding hierarchies on the wiki, with two exceptions previous discussed (I need to add this to the naming-conventions page)
- [22:08:03] <tantek>
since this is the hCard cheatsheet it should therefore be hcard-cheatsheet
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[[cheatsheet/hCard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet/hCard&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+2219) cheatsheet/hCard moved to hcard-cheatsheet
- [22:08:39] <julianstahnke>
thanks
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cheers julian
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- [22:13:40] <tantek>
julian, thanks much for your help with the hCard cheatsheet
- [22:13:44] <julianstahnke>
np
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[[Template:hcard-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcard-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=10729 * AndyMabbett * (+40) hcard-cheatsheet
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- [22:14:51] <julianstahnke>
I just hope Brian Suda (if that's the guy who made the PDF cheat sheet) won't get angry at me for almost copying it ;)
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[[hcard-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=10732 * AndyMabbett * (+25) {{hcard-related-pages}}
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[[User talk:JulianStahnke]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:JulianStahnke * AndyMabbett * (+446) Cheat Sheet
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[[User talk:JulianStahnke]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:JulianStahnke&diff=0&oldid=10742 * AndyMabbett * (-52)
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[[User talk:JulianStahnke]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:JulianStahnke&diff=0&oldid=10743 * AndyMabbett * (+45) link
- [22:41:13] <tantek>
julian, I think Brian will be fine with it
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[[hcard-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=10744 * AndyMabbett * (+44) sub-headings
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[[adr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr&diff=0&oldid=10745 * AndyMabbett * (+37) (to make sense of link from hcard cheetsheet, etc.)
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[[adr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr&diff=0&oldid=10746 * AndyMabbett * (+37) Examples in the wild - see also
- [22:50:48] <julianstahnke>
AndyMabblet just raised the issue of accessibility because I used bold and italic text... is there any way to use colours in the wiki?
- [22:51:18] <tantek>
no matter what styling you use there will be some accessibility issue raised
- [22:51:30] <tantek>
so for now, just stick with replicating what Brian did with the cheatsheet
- [22:51:44] <tantek>
that's the simple thing to do
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later if someone wants to make a more complicated/wordy version with extra stuff to make it more accessible, they can do that
- [22:52:45] <julianstahnke>
okay
- [22:53:09] <tantek>
we have a lot of work to do with microformats and we have to focus on the biggest wins first
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and document the smaller things to do along the way with the assumption that someone will get around to them eventually
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it's all a matter of prioritizing for maximum productivity/usefulness in minimum time
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