IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-08
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12273 * RobertBachmann * (-74599) Reverted edit of Zaza, changed back to last version by NTollervey
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RobertBachmann * (+0) blocked "User:Zaza" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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- [01:16:34] <bretonslivka>
hello
- [01:17:00] <bretonslivka>
anyone here mind having a look at a page and telling me why my hcard isn't working on x2v?
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http://walkerfineart.dreamhosters.com
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
- [03:57:36] <bretonslivka>
Hrmn, x2v is having difficulty with html entities, I wonder if there's a wiki entry about that
- [03:58:46] <bretonslivka>
Oh, just the uppercase was the problem.
- [03:58:52] <tantek>
which entity?
- [03:59:10] <bretonslivka>
it was © ,but lowercasing it seems to have fixed it
- [03:59:22] <bretonslivka>
I'm working on making hcard work for my client's new site
- [03:59:34] <bretonslivka>
will add to examples as soon as it goes live
- [04:02:05] <tantek>
excellent!
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- [04:39:43] <csarven>
is vcard for only for people that can be contacted?
- [04:42:03] <csarven>
for instance, vcard is for people that are still alive. shouldn't there be a distinction and a status of that person? perhaps a dday (death day) :S
- [04:43:16] <csarven>
im asking this because im wondering what happens to vcards of people that have passed away? they are still kept i would imagine, however no one really imagines to grab a vcard (if at all available) of a person that is no longer alive
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[[criticism]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=12274 * Tantek * (-219) removed vague emotional statement which was not actually a criticism of microformats per se
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[[hcard-authoring]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=12275 * Tantek * (-35) Reverted edit of AndyMabbett, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[hcard-authoring]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=12276 * Tantek * (-1) previous revert was to undo wordier changes which didn't add any additional relevant semantics and smelled of excessive political correctness worrying
- [05:31:49] <pnhChris>
csarven: i would imagine it relies heavily on context.. .surely an hcard that describes the author of a review isn't sensitive to issues like that.. and would also probably have no knowledge of the course of the person's life after they left the review on the site
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- [05:32:22] <pnhChris>
... same goes for most other instances I can think of
- [05:34:30] <csarven>
pnhChris that would require the hcard to be updated just as we would assume the email on the hcard to be updated when the person's email changes
- [05:35:53] <csarven>
on the same token, consider an hcard of da vinci
- [05:36:06] <pnhChris>
that's probably not the right assumption either
- [05:36:20] <tantek>
csarven, perhaps markup the wikipedia page of da vinci with hCard...
- [05:36:39] <pnhChris>
... or a conversation that's being reprinted
- [05:37:54] <csarven>
tantek fair enough, however that leaves us with only the option of placing vcards of people that are alive instead of a centralized location containing the information of day of death
- [05:38:58] <tantek>
csarven - how's that? wikipedia has the day of death for such folks
- [05:39:10] <pnhChris>
but moving beyond the life/death issue... i think there's a lot more content on the web that isn't updated then that is... an old blog post about "Joe who works at Some Company, Inc" .. user profiles of people who don't use a site anymore and as a result don't update profiles, comments left on blogs with 3 year old URLs or email addresses
- [05:39:48] <tantek>
a good reason to use mini-hCards in such cases that point to more definitive/expanded instances
- [05:40:02] <csarven>
tantek right but what im saying is that how about a comment on your site where the commentor passed away (just an example)
- [05:40:28] <tantek>
csarven - that's part of the larger problem of what do you do with personal sites of people that pass away
- [05:40:33] <tantek>
this is not a unique problem to hCard
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- [05:42:00] <pnhChris>
tantek: mini hcard doesn't resolve the first issue i raised of the contact info being part of the content and not simply meta-data
- [05:42:15] <tantek>
it does
- [05:42:22] <tantek>
a mini-hCard has only name and URL
- [05:42:28] <tantek>
the URL can point to a personal site etc.
- [05:42:31] <tantek>
which itself can be updated
- [05:42:45] <tantek>
in general you don't want "simply meta-data" anyway
- [05:42:55] <tantek>
metadata usually means invisible, which is nearly worthless
- [05:43:42] <pnhChris>
but that requires you explictly not to mark up the other relevant information in the content
- [05:44:05] <tantek>
what other relevant information in the content?
- [05:44:07] <csarven>
it relates to what i stated earlier. if i have a vcard of someone and they die, i either keep their vcard around or delete it. if i keep it around thats one thing, but currently we don't 'get' vcards of people that are no longer alive. so in essence we choose to keep both alive and dead people's vcards
- [05:44:20] <tantek>
in the examples you give, e.g. blog post comments, typical use case is name + URL
- [05:44:23] <pnhChris>
e.g. [from your site] .. . content like.. "Thanks to immeasurable help from Ryan Kennedy of the Yahoo Mail team,"
- [05:44:40] <tantek>
and the other easy answer is
- [05:44:52] <tantek>
that anything inside a blog post has a datetime context
- [05:44:57] <tantek>
thus it is never wrong
- [05:45:06] <pnhChris>
tantek: my point of context above
- [05:45:08] <tantek>
as in, it is an assertion of information as of that point in time of the blog post
- [05:45:16] <tantek>
therefore, no problem
- [05:45:21] <tantek>
no need to "update" anything
- [05:45:25] <tantek>
because you don't update history
- [05:45:52] <pnhChris>
i would expect the hcard on someones resume to be up to date (provided its maintained) i wouldn't in many other contexts... with or without a datetime
- [05:46:16] <pnhChris>
[not easy to put rules to that though, just my personal expectation]
- [05:46:22] <tantek>
i would expect a person's main hCard (e.g. their about or contact page) to be up to date
- [05:46:38] <tantek>
it is easy to put rules to that
- [05:46:40] <tantek>
that's my point about the blog post datetime context
- [05:46:48] <pnhChris>
... provided its a site that is maintained
- [05:46:49] <tantek>
that's already all machine readable etc., through Atom/RSS or hAtom on the page
- [05:47:11] <tantek>
"a site that is maintained" is no different than a resume that is maintained
- [05:47:24] <pnhChris>
right
- [05:47:30] <KevinMarks>
that is holding web publication to a highr standard than all others
- [05:48:33] <csarven>
i was originally only referring to people that are no longer alive. should we they have hCards?
- [05:48:33] <tantek>
anyway - i'm still not seeing what exactly is the practical problem here that is unique to hCard
- [05:48:49] <KevinMarks>
When there was a debate about 'abandonded blogs' that stopped updateing, Dave Winer rather perceptively pointed out that by that criterion nearly all books are abandoned
- [05:48:54] <pnhChris>
tantek: i don't see one either
- [05:49:20] <tantek>
csarven - good question
- [05:49:41] <tantek>
what do you do with entries in your addressbook of people that have passed away?
- [05:49:46] <tantek>
do you keep them or delete them?
- [05:50:18] <csarven>
i mentioned that earlier ^^
- [05:50:22] <pnhChris>
csarven: i'd have to ask what the impact of saying that they shouldn't exist any longer would be
- [05:51:32] <csarven>
im just trying to understand whether there is some missing information (day of death) in an hCard or if this raises some awareness on how we approach/use hCards
- [05:52:44] <csarven>
earlier i mentioned the following; if i have a vcard of someone and they die, i either keep their vcard around or delete it. if i keep it around thats one thing, but currently we don't 'get' vcards of people that are no longer alive. so in essence we choose to keep both alive and dead people's vcards
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- [05:53:41] <tantek>
which do you do personally?
- [05:53:47] <pnhChris>
but the context there is of your address book.. and not text online being marked up which presumably lives in a different context..
- [05:54:07] <csarven>
fortunately that has not been the case yet, tantek :)
- [05:54:26] <csarven>
but i would imagine it would be worthwhile to keep that hCard since it contains reasonable data that i can use
- [05:54:28] <pnhChris>
and if it was simply an address book ap of some nature I'd think the content would be removed entirely [like it would someone being fired and being pulled from a company directory]
- [05:54:37] <tantek>
it has for me unfortunately, and i could not bring myself to delete the entries.
- [05:55:20] <pnhChris>
csarven: i have saved some myself... because they contain data i want to hold onto like birthdays + addresses
- [05:55:24] <tantek>
this is also perhaps where a genealogy microformat might build upon what is in hCard
- [05:55:33] <csarven>
exactly, therefore we have a set of hCards that are of people both alive and dead. is this sufficient? are we missing any information?
- [05:55:44] <tantek>
that's the wrong question csarven
- [05:55:56] <tantek>
"are we missing any information?" is the wrong approach
- [05:56:07] <tantek>
the right approach is, what do people publish in the 80% case?
- [05:56:10] <tantek>
and then build up to that
- [05:56:36] <csarven>
do we need to know if that person is still alive? what if you can't remember
- [05:56:59] <pnhChris>
i think perhaps a last updated would be relevant in this context.. because the problem of /vcards/ that i *think* you're getting at happens a TON more often to me as people change companies, move or get new phone numbers, etc.
- [05:58:56] <pnhChris>
...long before microformats when i open my address book and look for someone i haven't called or emailed in a while I have some expectation that the information is out of date
- [05:59:47] <csarven>
say you want to send an invitation to all you friends in Berlin.. you look at the set of hCards you have and send a snail mail to their address (neglecting the fact that they have passed away and their families may be shocked to hear about your invitation - being careless)
- [06:00:29] <csarven>
im sure there are numerous cases where it may be useful to know if they are still alive or not. that way you have a way to mine only the people that are alive (or dead) in your address book
- [06:02:37] <pnhChris>
i guess what i'm having trouble getting over is why death alone is the relevant piece of information to key on.. lots of reasons why i might not want to blindly contact all contacts in Berlin ... Exes, Old boss that fired me, people who have passed, people who have moved
- [06:04:12] <pnhChris>
... but that is all in the context of a vcard management application...
- [06:04:13] <csarven>
fair enough. i only brought this specific case up because i wasn't able to solve this scenario
- [06:04:39] <pnhChris>
... and not content that is being published on the web
- [06:05:49] <csarven>
tantek 80/20 point taken
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- [06:08:36] <tantek>
pnhChris - heh
- [06:08:49] <pnhChris>
so again, context
- [06:09:08] <tantek>
csarven - the answer to what information should we worry about it is when people bring examples to light on the web that have more information to markup
- [06:10:01] <pnhChris>
the profile pages on a corporate site I'd expect to be more up to date [both because of death or staffing changes] then i would if you were looking for all people who have edited the microformats wiki and claimed they were in Berlin
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- [10:53:34] <kapowaz>
I'm a horrifically impatient person when it comes to things like technical specifications and documentation; generally speaking I just want to get in, do what I need, get out again.
- [10:54:05] <kapowaz>
so when I finally find myself in the situation where I need/desire to use hCard, I find that the wiki page describing it is... well, a little dry and chewy
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- [10:54:52] <kapowaz>
might it be better to prefix the spec document with something a little more practical?
- [10:54:56] <Ronnos>
yup, that's the world of specifications :)
- [10:55:20] <kapowaz>
Ronnos: normally I would say you are right, but the wiki spec page is the one directly linked from the front of microformats.org
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therefore it's likely to be the first page a new visitor will see on the subject
- [10:56:05] <Ronnos>
ahhh, you want something like a small and simple introduction with maybe 2 or 3 good examples?
- [10:56:16] <kapowaz>
I've found several
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I just mean... given it's the first page linked from the site, should it not start off with that rather than have them as footnotes 4 pages down?
- [10:57:18] <Ronnos>
uhuh, i think the transition from a bloglike webpage to a wikepage is maybe a little bit to big...
- [10:58:05] <kapowaz>
yeah
- [10:58:45] <kapowaz>
there are lots of well-written articles about microformats, but they all exist off of the microformats.org domain ;)
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Drew's hCard primer, for instance
- [10:59:13] <Ronnos>
i also think that it might scare people off... the come from a friendly looking blogpage into a scary wiki made for developers
- [10:59:20] <kapowaz>
indeed
- [10:59:30] <kapowaz>
especially given that really, microformats aren't that difficult
- [10:59:47] <Ronnos>
the look difficult because of the wikipages behind the frontpage ;)
- [10:59:50] <kapowaz>
anyway, I would volunteer to spearhead such an effort, but I know I'm a terrible procrastinator when it comes to voluntary work
- [11:00:06] <kapowaz>
I just thought I'd float the idea around
- [11:01:41] <Ronnos>
well, i think it isn't a bad idea
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i wrote something about implementing businesscards for company about pages some weeks ago in dutch, because i couldn't find much about it and the wikipages make it diffucult for beginners to make a good start
- [11:03:26] <kapowaz>
aye
- [11:04:03] <kapowaz>
the purpose I have for it is to convert the HTML in our email signatures to hCard, rather than the 6.5KB of cruft we've been told to use
- [11:04:23] <Ronnos>
:)
- [11:12:19] <Ronnos>
but again, a good basic introduction would help beginners a lot i think kapowaz
- [11:13:12] <kapowaz>
aye
- [11:13:28] <kapowaz>
I doubt I'm the right person to do that at any rate; I *am* still a beginner with mf
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and so; newbie question - if you want to represent certain values within a hCard but not have them visible, can you just use HTML comments, or does this prevent their parsing by hCard parsers?
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Not visible to who?
- [11:19:32] <julianstahnke>
I did a thing like that for hCalendar on last.fm. I just set the element to display: none
- [11:19:38] <Ronnos>
you could use css to hide them, but the values still can be used because they are in the markup
- [11:20:16] <JMulder>
Well, I assume that's the point, because why would you include them in the markup in the first place?
- [11:20:18] <julianstahnke>
(there was no room for that info yet it was needed to disambiguate stuff should it be used in a calendar)
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uhuh, but why would you like to make an hcard with info you don't want to share...
- [11:21:28] <Ronnos>
that's the idea behind hcards :S
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if you don't want to share certain info, don't put it in..
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Well, I can imagine there are cases where you don't want to display all info to the user, but do want to it available when they're adding the hCard?
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*to make it
- [11:23:27] <Ronnos>
yep
- [11:30:44] <kapowaz>
sorry, went afk
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display:none is probably best, yes.
- [11:31:14] <kapowaz>
and yes, JMulder is right; that's what I want to do
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I'm wondering if there are any addons for mail clients to handle hCards in signatures?
- [11:32:06] <Ronnos>
ah... currently not i believe
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I note that the greasemonkey script tries to do a look up based on the referring URL, which wouldn't exist in the case of a HTML email
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ehm
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maybe if you link the senders name to it?
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how do you mean?
- [11:33:37] <Ronnos>
i'm not familiar with the greasemonkey script
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how does it work exactly?
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it recognises hCards in the markup of a document and then DOM-injects a link to suda.co.uk, which I presume converts it to vCard or some other format
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only html documents?
- [11:35:25] <Ronnos>
it's like browser plugin?
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or does it also work in your email client?
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I noticed it was stalling when I tried the link, which I assumed was because the site was down, but it wasn't - the script appears to pass the referer in the query, which would obviously not work here (local LAN address for the HTML file)
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hm
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I've no idea, it's a script for greasemonkey, which I use in Firefox. I've no idea if there's a Thunderbird version too
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hm, sorry... can't help you with that :(
- [11:39:32] <Ronnos>
hm, i'm not a big fan of Outlook, but the 2007 version handles and displays vcards in a very nice way \o/
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vcards or hcards?
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vcards I expect even Outlook version 1 handled :)
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vcards, they have to be converted first
- [11:41:21] <Ronnos>
yes, but the display them also very nice :)
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better than Thunderbird :(
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a late one, santa!
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http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/http://redmonk.net/about-this-site/
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drewinthehead: I figured out why yahoo calendar events were always getting scheduled with an extra day on the end
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they were? :)
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probably because Y! cal doesn't use the same inclusion rules and iCal
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drewinthehead: I thought you mentioned in one of your notes that you were confused by that too - yahoo multiday events seemed to get an extra day tacked on
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*as iCal
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not that I recall
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I'd never tested in that much detail ... it was a 24 hour hack, remember
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No prob. Anyway. Yahoo requires that for multiday events, the second value not have a time specified - date only
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if you specify an end time (any end time) it ends up with an extra day
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sounds like a Y! bug to me
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I'll see what I can find out ... but nice detection work!
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drewinthehead: I actually got some things working a little better than upcoming. Kind of hacky though. If the duration of an event is over 24 hours, I assume it is a multiday event
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For some reason upcoming doesn't make this event multiday - http://upcoming.org/event/107539/ - which I do now.
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had you spotted the upcoming.org wiki, where you can add bug notes?
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drewinthehead: I put some bug notes there and got no response, so I blogged about them and things moved fast :)
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I have some contacts now
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great ... the upcoming.org guys are good guys.
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yeah. I felt bad giving them a bit of a hard time on my blog, but they were cool
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next I need a good 30 boxes contact
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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[[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=12286 * ChristopheDucamp * (+642) synchro
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12287 * CharlesRoper * (+2241) Response by Charles Roper -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12288 * AndyMabbett * (+1727) Response by Andy Mabbett - further responses
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12289 * AndyMabbett * (+52) Response by Andy Mabbett - addendum & tyops
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anyone know of a page with a ton of microformats? like big page - lots of stuff
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12290 * AndyMabbett * (-1) Response by Andy Mabbett - fmt
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has anyone lookedinto hacking our copy of mediawiki to support uF?
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s/our copy of/the uF copy ofi/
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[[User:SteveIvy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:SteveIvy&diff=0&oldid=12291 * SteveIvy * (+65) Steve Ivy - add link to hcard
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http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/kidderminster/indoor.htm
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has nine events with the same summary
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[[User:SteveIvy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:SteveIvy&diff=0&oldid=12292 * SteveIvy * (+139) Steve Ivy - wonder "aloud" how to hack mediawiki
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12293 * CharlesRoper * (+1961) Response by Andy Mabbett -
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12294 * AndyMabbett * (+265) Straw man proposal - Note about envsioned usage
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12295 * AndyMabbett * (+36) Examples - reorder to clarify usage
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[[User:SteveIvy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:SteveIvy&diff=0&oldid=12296 * AndyMabbett * (+143) response (feel free to remove if not wanted on your talk page)
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[[firefox-extensions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=12297 * AndyMabbett * (+71) Operator - Customise Operator
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12298 * AndyMabbett * (+820) Concatenating values
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12299 * AndyMabbett * (-8) Concatenating values - fix
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12300 * AndyMabbett * (+66) Concatenating values - clarify
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12301 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Concatenating values - change quotes
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12302 * AndyMabbett * (-44) Concatenating values - rm. extraneous styling
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[[xfn-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12303 * WizardIsHungry * (+163) Extending family relationships -
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=12304 * WizardIsHungry * (+99) justification or reference to previous discussion of issue please!
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ntoll is Nicholas Tollervey and can be found online at http://ntoll.org
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=12305 * AndyMabbett * (-2) Concatenating values - better without quotes?
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[[xfn-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-faq&diff=0&oldid=12306 * Tantek * (+410) Why not use rev? Because rev should not be used. See rel-faq.
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[[xfn-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12307 * Tantek * (-176) move rev question to xfn-faq
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=12308 * Tantek * (+95) closed theoretical issue that was getting a bit ridiculous
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[[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=12309 * AndyMabbett * (+144) grandfathered
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[[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=12310 * AndyMabbett * (+39) rev: generally deprecated
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[[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=12311 * AndyMabbett * (+109) deprecated
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[[glossary]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=12312 * AndyMabbett * (+14) better defn
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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