IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-05
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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[[operating-hours-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=operating-hours-examples&diff=0&oldid=13967 * Drago516 * (+36)
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[[operating-hours]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=operating-hours&diff=0&oldid=13968 * Drago516 * (+290)
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[[operating-hours]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=operating-hours&diff=0&oldid=13969 * Drago516 * (+8)
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[[User:Drago516]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Drago516&diff=0&oldid=13970 * Drago516 * (+20)
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[[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=13971 * Tantek * (+655) topic redirection template
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13972 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13973 * Tantek * (+1735) added notes/to-do on foldup cheatsheet
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13974 * Tantek * (+98) foldup cheatsheet -
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13975 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Phae
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13976 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13977 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Phae
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[[blog-description-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-examples&diff=0&oldid=13978 * Admini * (+862) Author information -
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13979 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13980 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Phae
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13981 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
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[[User talk:TommE]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:TommE * TommE * (+9)
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[[blog-description-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-examples&diff=0&oldid=13982 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Chris Messina
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13983 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Phae
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Phae * (+0) deleted "User talk:TommE": content was: 'dfgdfgdfg'
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13984 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
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[[blog-description-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-examples&diff=0&oldid=13985 * Admini * (+862) Author information -
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13986 * AndyMabbett * (+107) help publishers - internationalisation
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13987 * AndyMabbett * (+54) help publishers - Cite
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net and is linklogging at http://deliciouslymeta.com
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13988 * Tantek * (+114) removed non-productive comment, added reasons behind paper size choice, if you want a different size, please don't complain, step up and do the work instead
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13991 * Tantek * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Phae
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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hmm
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bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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mkaply, hm... growing pains. I fixed it. So it should take abit to trickly through FeedBurner
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kingryan is ryan king
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anyone know Dave Raggett?
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KevinMarks: I've met him before
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why?
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w3c chap, talking here about forms
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(here being google)
- [18:17:27] <kingryan>
yeah
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mentions whatwg...
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he's been working on xforms, no?
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he's giving a history first
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positioning new group to work on HTML and extend forms
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xhtml2 will continue separately, xforms will too, and there is a task force to co-ordinate
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jcw9 is Jon Williams and can be found online at http://wizardishungry.com/blog/
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'xforms has been quite a success'
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'hasn't caught on for public websites'
- [18:27:05] <mkaply>
That's because Mozilla won't let us put it in the shipping Firefox :)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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mkaply: "won't let"? I would think that mozilla would rather implement the spec that they formally support (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/)
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kingryan: well, we have XForms done for Firefox. They are just very particular about what they allow in the "core"
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he's talking about forms 2 now
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mkaply: ah, ok. what about webforms2?
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kingryan: As far as I know, they don't have the resources to do any serious work on it.
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But when they do, a lot of the work we've already done for XForms will benefit them
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w3c forms task force
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who's 'they' ?
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he expects to start from ground up
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with incremental extensions to hTML4
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KevinMarks: that's interesting as that's precisely what webforms2 is
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spreadsheet-like expressions
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yes, sounds encouraging
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declarative expressions for form validation
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JS vs XPath for expressions - js exists and is in browsers, xpath is on servers
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style wars'
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should forms logic be inline or included (like CSS)
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they == mozilla corp.
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seprattion fo stored and presented values - sounds liek abbr pattern
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'XForms transitional' - his effort
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how does this relate to Hixie's stuff?
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he says he's looking for synthesis
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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type="date"
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wish i could be at that talk
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I think it's being recorded
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I could iChat you in...
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KevinMarks: hopefully it'll be on gvideo, no?
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his slides:
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http://www.w3.org/2007/03/html-forms/
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[[media-metadata-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=13994 * MaryHodder * (+63)
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dynamic CSS classes
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yes, it shoudl be
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if you have Q's you want asking, let me kow
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regexes fro form validation
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http://www.w3.org/2007/03/html-forms/#(13)
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[[video-metadata-model]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-metadata-model&diff=0&oldid=13996 * MaryHodder * (+88) added media info examples
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13997 * RyanKing * (-862) Reverted edit of Adminis, changed back to last version by Tantek
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is table presentational or structural?
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KevinMarks: yeah i'll watch the video
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KevinMarks: my only question was going to be "so... do you have a spec yet?"
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and maybe a follow through question "your proposal changes the way you do disabled='', how do you expect that to work in a backwards compatible manner?"
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he is pitching a merger with your stuff in the new ctte, from what I can see
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yeah
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i know :-)
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why no table syntax for repeating fields? seems odd
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he has a load of examples with tabular presentation
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bah, US-centric address fields
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I feel like doing a Woddy Allen "I happen to have Ian Hixie here..."
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isn't Adminis supposed to be banned?
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that was Admini
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markp is Mark Pilgrim
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geez that's still happening
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yeah, different usernames
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) blocked "User:Administ" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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anyone know how to see what IP addresses a given user has been using?
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i was trying to figure that out
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I wonder if reading the last three day's hcard posts will make me angry
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heh
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!!
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any luck, ryan? as fun as this is...
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did you mean to block yourself, Phae?
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no! did i?
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geez.
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I've been clicking block all day
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oh, so i did. it didn't stick though anyway.
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jcw9 is Jon Williams and can be found online at http://wizardishungry.com/blog/
- [20:53:43] <kingryan>
sorry, Phae I got pulled away to lunch
- [20:54:29] <Phae>
s;ok
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- [20:56:03] <jibot>
iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
- [20:58:02] <kingryan>
Phae: it doesn't look like mediawiki stores the ip address of logged in users
- [21:01:47] <kingryan>
I think I found the IP addr of our spammer friend :D
- [21:01:54] <Phae>
sweet
- [21:02:09] <kingryan>
looks like a read browser though, not a bot
- [21:02:34] <kingryan>
http://domainsdb.net/219.147.15.90
- [21:03:05] <kingryan>
any opera people around here?
- [21:03:28] <kingryan>
and if so, can you decipher this useragent string for me: "Opera/9.02 (Windows NT 5.1; U; ru)" ?
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- [21:09:21] <nacht`>
decipher?
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- [21:09:40] <kingryan>
nacht`: maybe "interpret" would be better
- [21:10:13] <kingryan>
does the "ru" mean it's a russian build? is it a normal UA string? etc.
- [21:10:20] <nacht`>
opera 9.0.2 on win xp
- [21:10:27] <nacht`>
yes, language
- [21:10:31] <kingryan>
ok, thanks
- [21:10:37] <nacht`>
not sure about the U
- [21:10:37] <Phae>
fun
- [21:10:51] <nacht`>
unicode?
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- [21:11:00] <kingryan>
I'm going to conclude that a russian browser coming from a chinese IP is probably spam
- [21:11:10] <kingryan>
no offense to anyone's nationality intended
- [21:11:10] <Phae>
seems reasonable
- [21:11:32] <nacht`>
ah the U is the encryption strength
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- [21:12:01] * kingryan just blocked ip 219.147.15.90
- [21:12:18] <Phae>
hopefully that'll help
- [21:12:30] <kingryan>
(at the http level :D)
- [21:15:03] <kingryan>
anyone know who did this blue mf logo: http://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wikidev.cgi?FR/EveMoreau ?
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- [22:13:44] <kingryan>
mkaply: hey
- [22:13:58] <kingryan>
I think I have a operator load test for you: http://2007.sxsw.com/interactive/programming/panels/
- [22:14:09] <kingryan>
571 hcards, 178 hCalendar events
- [22:14:19] <mkaply>
ouch
- [22:14:34] <mkaply>
it loads :)
- [22:14:34] <Phae>
heh
- [22:15:04] <kingryan>
ick. they hid the mf markup
- [22:15:08] <mkaply>
I don't know if there is really any clever way to speed it up.
- [22:15:19] <Phae>
At least they added it
- [22:15:22] <Phae>
It wasn't there at all to start with
- [22:15:23] <mkaply>
I could do things on the menu instead of on page load. But I at least need to count the hcards
- [22:15:24] <kingryan>
yeah
- [22:15:29] <mkaply>
and hcalendars
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- [22:16:58] <mkaply>
at least I can easily add stuff to my calendar :)
- [22:17:11] <mkaply>
except for Lotus Notes. bleah
- [22:18:01] <mkaply>
Why are the hCards on that page when there is no purpose for them until the item is displayed?
- [22:18:17] <kingryan>
dunno. emailing them right now to ask
- [22:18:39] <kingryan>
mkaply: I'm getting "unresponsive script" warnings on that page (presumably about operator)
- [22:19:15] <mkaply>
kingryan: yep. We take about 15 seconds to process that page
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- [22:19:27] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [22:19:28] <kingryan>
it's taking me much longer than that
- [22:19:44] <mkaply>
17 seconds for me
- [22:19:54] <mkaply>
kingryan: what version of operator?
- [22:19:54] <kingryan>
several minutes for me
- [22:20:20] <kingryan>
0.6.2
- [22:20:38] <mkaply>
try
- [22:20:38] <mkaply>
www.kaply.com/operator/operator.xpi
- [22:20:48] <kingryan>
no auto-update? :D
- [22:20:52] <mkaply>
It's alpha 2
- [22:20:57] <mkaply>
so No, not yet
- [22:21:04] <mkaply>
plus addons.mozilla.org is offline right now anyway
- [22:21:10] <kingryan>
ah, ok
- [22:23:50] <ianloic>
mkaply, do you do it in one pass or incrementally?
- [22:24:07] <ianloic>
mkaply, in songbird we avoid parsing the whole page at once since its pretty easy to get into worst-case scenarios
- [22:24:23] <mkaply>
ianloic: yeah, I need to do that, I just haven't thought a lot about how.
- [22:24:33] <ianloic>
mkaply, yeah
- [22:24:36] <mkaply>
do you like parse 50, then do set timeout, then parse 50, something like that?
- [22:24:46] <ianloic>
mkaply, there's a technique I used at Flock that was kind of neat...
- [22:26:18] <ianloic>
hmm, can't find a good clean version of the pattern
- [22:26:55] <ianloic>
mkaply, basically, use timers and js 1.7's yield to do cheap & nasty cooperative multitasking :)
- [22:28:28] <mkaply>
So basically yield every so often, set a timer to go back in the yield until processing is done.
- [22:28:33] * mkaply isn't so sure about yield
- [22:28:44] <ianloic>
yeah
- [22:28:58] <ianloic>
it means you can keep your algorithm as a loop without blocking the ui
- [22:29:56] <ianloic>
yield is excellent :)
- [22:33:48] <mkaply>
it's my getElementsByAttribute
- [22:34:06] <mkaply>
that's a big part
- [22:35:57] <mkaply>
removing duplicates is expensive as well
- [22:36:58] * mkaply really needs a JS expert to work on Operator with hmi
- [22:40:13] <ianloic>
yeah
- [22:40:21] <ianloic>
js wizardry is important
- [22:40:33] <ianloic>
it's also hard to do things piece by piece when the DOM may well be changing under you
- [22:40:44] <mkaply>
I was hoping Dan Webb would help
- [22:41:34] <mkaply>
Of course having the ability to actuallly use CSS selectors to find DOM nodes would be nice as well.
- [22:41:41] <mkaply>
Instead of rolling my own
- [22:42:01] <Phae>
Dan'll be at SxSW
- [22:43:48] * mkaply really has to figure out how he is going to meet all these people before the panel
- [22:43:54] <ianloic>
mkaply, yeah - I think CSS selectors are a good way to go
- [22:44:01] * ianloic sighs. Wish I was at SxSW...
- [22:44:08] <bewest>
getElementsBySelector()++
- [22:44:16] <ianloic>
yeah
- [22:44:18] <Phae>
:)
- [22:44:39] <Phae>
Well, when you find me, Dan probably won't be far away. He's a friend of mine.
- [22:44:46] <ianloic>
if getElementsBySelector could be async with a callback it would call when it found matching nodes that would be really nice:)
- [22:44:50] <Phae>
He'll be at our panel, I imagine.
- [22:44:57] <bewest>
ianloic: ooooooooo
- [22:45:06] <mkaply>
I can't really do anything on Sat or Sun. I probably won't even showup until Mon Morn
- [22:45:15] <Phae>
:(
- [22:45:18] <Phae>
That's a shame
- [22:45:33] <bewest>
ianloic: greenlets in js?
- [22:45:37] <bewest>
or something
- [22:45:39] <mkaply>
Phae: It's a family thing :)
- [22:45:41] <bewest>
you need coroutines for that, right?
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- [22:45:46] <ianloic>
bewest, greenlets?
- [22:45:49] <mkaply>
Already had plans to do stuff in San Antonio on Saturday
- [22:45:53] <Phae>
Yeah :) I'm sure there's a good reason.
- [22:45:56] <ianloic>
bewest, oh, we have coroutines in js
- [22:46:01] <Phae>
I fly out on Wednesday.
- [22:46:08] <bewest>
greenlets are Ian Bicking's coroutines for python
- [22:46:12] <ianloic>
bewest, or something close enough. At least we do in mozilla :)
- [22:46:27] <bewest>
ianloic: yeah, I'm a little fuzzy on how it works...are you talking about yield?
- [22:46:33] <ianloic>
bewest, yeah
- [22:46:35] <bewest>
ianloic: that's still a little too new
- [22:46:43] <bewest>
is it in the ecma standard?
- [22:47:17] <mkaply>
Phae: Anyone definitely planning to be at anything besides the session? I'll be at the Mozilla party. Have to talk to my wife about Sunday afternoon
- [22:47:20] <mkaply>
and evening
- [22:47:34] <Phae>
I'm not entirely sure. Best check upcoming I suppose.
- [22:47:36] <ianloic>
bewest, possibly... :) I work mostly in mozilla stuff so I've started using this stuff fairly heavilly
- [22:47:40] <Phae>
I've not really planned my itinerary at all yet.
- [22:48:03] <ianloic>
bewest, actually, just doing callbacks on matches can be done without that - you can use the window.setTimeout and store your state somewhere else
- [22:48:48] <mkaply>
Phae: Lots of parties on upcoming - nothing really microformat specific
- [22:49:07] <Phae>
Yea
- [22:49:28] <Phae>
I don't honestly know
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- [23:00:45] <scottbauer>
Hey guys, I've got a question. Is there a preferred way to secure the information in an hCard besides some sort of Captcha?
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- [23:02:35] <ianloic>
scottbauer, what do you mean "secure" it? Prevent web crawlers from indexing it?
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- [23:02:47] <scottbauer>
yes
- [23:03:10] <ianloic>
scottbauer, if you use robots.txt most things won't index your page
- [23:03:36] <ianloic>
scottbauer, I assume technorati and other uF crawlers obey robots.txt
- [23:04:01] <ianloic>
scottbauer, but microformats are all about making your content machine readable
- [23:04:19] <ianloic>
scottbauer, its kind of rude to make it machine readable and then tell machines not to read it :)
- [23:04:21] <scottbauer>
I'm not familiar with robots.txt, but I'll check it out.
- [23:04:23] <scottbauer>
haha
- [23:04:34] <ianloic>
robotstxt.org iirc
- [23:05:22] <scottbauer>
thanks
- [23:06:25] <KevinMarks>
technorati doesn't afaiak, because it's ping-driven
- [23:06:49] <KevinMarks>
(unless they added it in the last month)
- [23:08:44] <scottbauer>
direct access to the hCard data will require a login, so it wouldn't have access anyway.
- [23:09:11] <scottbauer>
I haven
- [23:11:07] <KevinMarks>
well, having them accessible to js in the browser is still handy
- [23:11:40] <scottbauer>
I haven't done much research on the bots that are out there nowadays, so maybe I'm just scared or something.
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chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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- [23:14:10] <scottbauer>
I just don't want a bot to harvest hCards off my site. I'll check out robots.txt, hopefully that will keep them in check.
- [23:18:28] <ianloic>
scottbauer, why don't you want that?
- [23:21:48] <scottbauer>
Maybe I'm just going about this the wrong way. The hCard contains personal information, address, email, etc.
- [23:22:12] <scottbauer>
Maybe I just need to think about this a little more and come back when I'm ready...
- [23:23:32] <ianloic>
I've got all that information as an hCard mostly so crawlers can look up that information
- [23:23:43] <ianloic>
s/look up/index/
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- [23:24:34] <ianloic>
if you search here: http://kitchen.technorati.com/contact/search/Ian+McKellar
- [23:24:55] <ianloic>
the second link will take you to a page that has all my contact info
- [23:31:08] <scottbauer>
having trouble brining up that page. I think I might be just trying to force hCards into the site. I need to think a little bit before we just say "Hey! Lets use an hCard!"
- [23:31:33] <scottbauer>
there it goes
- [23:33:54] <scottbauer>
so your theory is "Tell em all and let the spam filters figure it out" ;)
- [23:34:00] <ianloic>
if the information is already there it shouldn't do any harm
- [23:34:03] <ianloic>
exactly
- [23:34:07] <ianloic>
my email address is already out there
- [23:34:21] <ianloic>
and if someone wants to stalk me they can find my address pretty easily anyway
- [23:34:23] <pnhChris>
perhaps if you're adding new content... but if the content is out there, and will continue to be with hcard syntax or not, then the impact of hcard is much smaller
- [23:34:31] * pnhChris nods
- [23:38:07] <scottbauer>
Thanks for the help guys. I think I'm a little more comfortable now.
- [23:40:41] <ianloic>
I just want to know why technorati put's messina's link to my hcard above my own!
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- [23:42:29] <kingryan>
it's time sorted
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- [23:45:03] <ianloic>
kingryan, fair enough. Do you sort track uf data updates or just page modification times?
- [23:45:20] <kingryan>
sometimes both
- [23:46:58] <ianloic>
kingryan, cool
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