IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-05

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  4. [00:14:05] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  10. [01:26:08] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  20. [01:53:32] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  28. [04:04:08] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  31. [04:15:22] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
  32. [04:19:42] <mfbot> [[operating-hours-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=operating-hours-examples&diff=0&oldid=13967 * Drago516 * (+36)
  33. [04:22:48] <mfbot> [[operating-hours]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=operating-hours&diff=0&oldid=13968 * Drago516 * (+290)
  34. [04:23:09] <mfbot> [[operating-hours]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=operating-hours&diff=0&oldid=13969 * Drago516 * (+8)
  35. [04:24:40] <mfbot> [[User:Drago516]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Drago516&diff=0&oldid=13970 * Drago516 * (+20)
  36. [04:36:21] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=13971 * Tantek * (+655) topic redirection template
  37. [04:39:38] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13972 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
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  40. [05:02:59] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  54. [07:23:53] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  58. [08:03:18] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  62. [08:04:05] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  71. [08:58:19] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  74. [09:08:30] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  75. [09:10:54] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13973 * Tantek * (+1735) added notes/to-do on foldup cheatsheet
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  77. [09:16:09] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  83. [10:03:17] <mfbot> [[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13974 * Tantek * (+98) foldup cheatsheet -
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  89. [10:29:54] <mfbot> [[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13975 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Phae
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  92. [10:33:29] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  94. [10:41:18] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  99. [11:28:04] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13976 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
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  104. [11:38:22] <mfbot> [[blog-description-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-examples&diff=0&oldid=13978 * Admini * (+862) Author information -
  105. [11:44:18] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13979 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
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  109. [12:10:01] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  115. [12:47:14] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  119. [13:34:30] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  121. [13:53:33] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
  122. [13:56:25] <mfbot> [[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13980 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Phae
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  128. [14:18:37] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13981 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
  129. [14:19:33] <mfbot> [[User talk:TommE]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:TommE * TommE * (+9)
  130. [14:24:20] <mfbot> [[blog-description-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-examples&diff=0&oldid=13982 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by Chris Messina
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  135. [14:31:59] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=13984 * Admini * (+862) Further Reading -
  136. [14:32:40] <mfbot> [[blog-description-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-examples&diff=0&oldid=13985 * Admini * (+862) Author information -
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  144. [15:11:39] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  149. [15:48:14] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13986 * AndyMabbett * (+107) help publishers - internationalisation
  150. [15:50:30] <mfbot> [[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13987 * AndyMabbett * (+54) help publishers - Cite
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  161. [16:04:17] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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  166. [16:10:28] <jibot> redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net and is linklogging at http://deliciouslymeta.com
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  168. [16:17:18] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  169. [16:24:18] <mfbot> [[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=13988 * Tantek * (+114) removed non-productive comment, added reasons behind paper size choice, if you want a different size, please don't complain, step up and do the work instead
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  222. [18:13:55] <KevinMarks> anyone know Dave Raggett?
  223. [18:17:08] <kingryan> KevinMarks: I've met him before
  224. [18:17:10] <kingryan> why?
  225. [18:17:15] <KevinMarks> w3c chap, talking here about forms
  226. [18:17:24] <KevinMarks> (here being google)
  227. [18:17:27] <kingryan> yeah
  228. [18:17:38] <KevinMarks> mentions whatwg...
  229. [18:17:41] <kingryan> he's been working on xforms, no?
  230. [18:19:05] <KevinMarks> he's giving a history first
  231. [18:20:17] <KevinMarks> positioning new group to work on HTML and extend forms
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  233. [18:21:11] <KevinMarks> xhtml2 will continue separately, xforms will too, and there is a task force to co-ordinate
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  237. [18:25:21] <KevinMarks> 'xforms has been quite a success'
  238. [18:25:52] <KevinMarks> 'hasn't caught on for public websites'
  239. [18:27:05] <mkaply> That's because Mozilla won't let us put it in the shipping Firefox :)
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  242. [18:27:49] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  243. [18:28:21] <kingryan> mkaply: "won't let"? I would think that mozilla would rather implement the spec that they formally support (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/)
  244. [18:28:55] <mkaply> kingryan: well, we have XForms done for Firefox. They are just very particular about what they allow in the "core"
  245. [18:29:10] <KevinMarks> he's talking about forms 2 now
  246. [18:30:17] <kingryan> mkaply: ah, ok. what about webforms2?
  247. [18:30:34] <mkaply> kingryan: As far as I know, they don't have the resources to do any serious work on it.
  248. [18:30:43] <mkaply> But when they do, a lot of the work we've already done for XForms will benefit them
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  250. [18:31:03] <KevinMarks> w3c forms task force
  251. [18:31:23] <KevinMarks> who's 'they' ?
  252. [18:31:33] <KevinMarks> he expects to start from ground up
  253. [18:31:52] <KevinMarks> with incremental extensions to hTML4
  254. [18:32:55] <kingryan> KevinMarks: that's interesting as that's precisely what webforms2 is
  255. [18:33:02] <KevinMarks> spreadsheet-like expressions
  256. [18:33:08] <KevinMarks> yes, sounds encouraging
  257. [18:33:31] <KevinMarks> declarative expressions for form validation
  258. [18:34:07] <KevinMarks> JS vs XPath for expressions - js exists and is in browsers, xpath is on servers
  259. [18:34:25] <KevinMarks> style wars'
  260. [18:35:08] <KevinMarks> should forms logic be inline or included (like CSS)
  261. [18:35:17] <mkaply> they == mozilla corp.
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  263. [18:36:47] <KevinMarks> seprattion fo stored and presented values - sounds liek abbr pattern
  264. [18:37:26] <KevinMarks> 'XForms transitional' - his effort
  265. [18:38:19] <KevinMarks> how does this relate to Hixie's stuff?
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  267. [18:39:13] <KevinMarks> he says he's looking for synthesis
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  270. [18:40:48] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
  271. [18:41:33] <KevinMarks> type="date"
  272. [18:42:23] <Hixie> wish i could be at that talk
  273. [18:42:30] * Hixie is stuck in a w3c transition call
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  275. [18:42:47] <KevinMarks> I think it's being recorded
  276. [18:42:53] <KevinMarks> I could iChat you in...
  277. [18:43:31] <kingryan> KevinMarks: hopefully it'll be on gvideo, no?
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  279. [18:43:45] <KevinMarks> his slides:
  280. [18:43:46] <KevinMarks> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/html-forms/
  281. [18:44:41] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=13994 * MaryHodder * (+63)
  282. [18:44:58] <KevinMarks> dynamic CSS classes
  283. [18:45:07] <KevinMarks> yes, it shoudl be
  284. [18:45:27] <KevinMarks> if you have Q's you want asking, let me kow
  285. [18:45:36] <KevinMarks> regexes fro form validation
  286. [18:45:37] <KevinMarks> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/html-forms/#(13)
  287. [18:46:22] <mfbot> [[media-metadata-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-metadata-examples&diff=0&oldid=13995 * MaryHodder * (+0) Comments -
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  298. [18:57:09] <KevinMarks> is table presentational or structural?
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  300. [18:58:26] <Hixie> KevinMarks: yeah i'll watch the video
  301. [18:58:48] <Hixie> KevinMarks: my only question was going to be "so... do you have a spec yet?"
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  303. [18:59:23] <Hixie> and maybe a follow through question "your proposal changes the way you do disabled='', how do you expect that to work in a backwards compatible manner?"
  304. [19:00:08] <KevinMarks> he is pitching a merger with your stuff in the new ctte, from what I can see
  305. [19:00:21] <Hixie> yeah
  306. [19:00:26] <Hixie> i know :-)
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  308. [19:01:00] <KevinMarks> why no table syntax for repeating fields? seems odd
  309. [19:01:27] <KevinMarks> he has a load of examples with tabular presentation
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  312. [19:02:58] <KevinMarks> bah, US-centric address fields
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  314. [19:04:50] <KevinMarks> I feel like doing a Woddy Allen "I happen to have Ian Hixie here..."
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  318. [19:10:57] <bewest> isn't Adminis supposed to be banned?
  319. [19:11:12] <kingryan> that was Admini
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  334. [19:41:17] <Phae> geez that's still happening
  335. [19:41:26] <kingryan> yeah, different usernames
  336. [19:41:37] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) blocked "User:Administ" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  337. [19:42:25] <kingryan> anyone know how to see what IP addresses a given user has been using?
  338. [19:42:39] <Phae> i was trying to figure that out
  339. [19:42:51] * kingryan digs into the database
  340. [19:43:53] <ianloic> I wonder if reading the last three day's hcard posts will make me angry
  341. [19:44:02] <Phae> heh
  342. [19:49:19] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=14002 * Administr * (+862) Further Reading -
  343. [19:49:29] <Phae> !!
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  355. [20:11:37] <Phae> any luck, ryan? as fun as this is...
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  357. [20:12:56] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14008 * AndyMabbett * (+347) Examples - two more
  358. [20:14:22] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=14009 * Pliz * (+862) Further Reading -
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  360. [20:15:44] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14011 * AndyMabbett * (+120) Examples - another
  361. [20:16:00] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14012 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Examples - |
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  367. [20:20:22] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=14014 * AndyMabbett * (+7) Abstract - fix link
  368. [20:23:38] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=14015 * VamJalko * (+862) Further Reading -
  369. [20:23:44] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=14016 * VamJalko * (+862) Similar Work -
  370. [20:24:06] <mfbot> [[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=14017 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of VamJalko, changed back to last version by Phae
  371. [20:24:07] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=14018 * Phae * (-862) Reverted edit of VamJalko, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
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  378. [20:38:15] <KevinMarks> did you mean to block yourself, Phae?
  379. [20:39:51] <Phae> no! did i?
  380. [20:39:57] <Phae> geez.
  381. [20:40:02] <Phae> I've been clicking block all day
  382. [20:40:39] <Phae> oh, so i did. it didn't stick though anyway.
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  384. [20:40:53] <jibot> jcw9 is Jon Williams and can be found online at http://wizardishungry.com/blog/
  385. [20:53:43] <kingryan> sorry, Phae I got pulled away to lunch
  386. [20:54:29] <Phae> s;ok
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  388. [20:56:03] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  389. [20:58:02] <kingryan> Phae: it doesn't look like mediawiki stores the ip address of logged in users
  390. [21:01:47] <kingryan> I think I found the IP addr of our spammer friend :D
  391. [21:01:54] <Phae> sweet
  392. [21:02:09] <kingryan> looks like a read browser though, not a bot
  393. [21:02:34] <kingryan> http://domainsdb.net/219.147.15.90
  394. [21:03:05] <kingryan> any opera people around here?
  395. [21:03:28] <kingryan> and if so, can you decipher this useragent string for me: "Opera/9.02 (Windows NT 5.1; U; ru)" ?
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  399. [21:09:21] <nacht`> decipher?
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  401. [21:09:40] <kingryan> nacht`: maybe "interpret" would be better
  402. [21:10:13] <kingryan> does the "ru" mean it's a russian build? is it a normal UA string? etc.
  403. [21:10:20] <nacht`> opera 9.0.2 on win xp
  404. [21:10:27] <nacht`> yes, language
  405. [21:10:31] <kingryan> ok, thanks
  406. [21:10:37] <nacht`> not sure about the U
  407. [21:10:37] <Phae> fun
  408. [21:10:51] <nacht`> unicode?
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  410. [21:11:00] <kingryan> I'm going to conclude that a russian browser coming from a chinese IP is probably spam
  411. [21:11:10] <kingryan> no offense to anyone's nationality intended
  412. [21:11:10] <Phae> seems reasonable
  413. [21:11:32] <nacht`> ah the U is the encryption strength
  414. [21:11:39] * bear_afk is now known as bear
  415. [21:12:01] * kingryan just blocked ip 219.147.15.90
  416. [21:12:18] <Phae> hopefully that'll help
  417. [21:12:30] <kingryan> (at the http level :D)
  418. [21:15:03] <kingryan> anyone know who did this blue mf logo: http://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wikidev.cgi?FR/EveMoreau ?
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  431. [22:13:44] <kingryan> mkaply: hey
  432. [22:13:58] <kingryan> I think I have a operator load test for you: http://2007.sxsw.com/interactive/programming/panels/
  433. [22:14:09] <kingryan> 571 hcards, 178 hCalendar events
  434. [22:14:19] <mkaply> ouch
  435. [22:14:34] <mkaply> it loads :)
  436. [22:14:34] <Phae> heh
  437. [22:15:04] <kingryan> ick. they hid the mf markup
  438. [22:15:08] <mkaply> I don't know if there is really any clever way to speed it up.
  439. [22:15:19] <Phae> At least they added it
  440. [22:15:22] <Phae> It wasn't there at all to start with
  441. [22:15:23] <mkaply> I could do things on the menu instead of on page load. But I at least need to count the hcards
  442. [22:15:24] <kingryan> yeah
  443. [22:15:29] <mkaply> and hcalendars
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  445. [22:16:58] <mkaply> at least I can easily add stuff to my calendar :)
  446. [22:17:11] <mkaply> except for Lotus Notes. bleah
  447. [22:18:01] <mkaply> Why are the hCards on that page when there is no purpose for them until the item is displayed?
  448. [22:18:17] <kingryan> dunno. emailing them right now to ask
  449. [22:18:39] <kingryan> mkaply: I'm getting "unresponsive script" warnings on that page (presumably about operator)
  450. [22:19:15] <mkaply> kingryan: yep. We take about 15 seconds to process that page
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  452. [22:19:27] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  453. [22:19:28] <kingryan> it's taking me much longer than that
  454. [22:19:44] <mkaply> 17 seconds for me
  455. [22:19:54] <mkaply> kingryan: what version of operator?
  456. [22:19:54] <kingryan> several minutes for me
  457. [22:20:20] <kingryan> 0.6.2
  458. [22:20:38] <mkaply> try
  459. [22:20:38] <mkaply> www.kaply.com/operator/operator.xpi
  460. [22:20:48] <kingryan> no auto-update? :D
  461. [22:20:52] <mkaply> It's alpha 2
  462. [22:20:57] <mkaply> so No, not yet
  463. [22:21:04] <mkaply> plus addons.mozilla.org is offline right now anyway
  464. [22:21:10] <kingryan> ah, ok
  465. [22:23:50] <ianloic> mkaply, do you do it in one pass or incrementally?
  466. [22:24:07] <ianloic> mkaply, in songbird we avoid parsing the whole page at once since its pretty easy to get into worst-case scenarios
  467. [22:24:23] <mkaply> ianloic: yeah, I need to do that, I just haven't thought a lot about how.
  468. [22:24:33] <ianloic> mkaply, yeah
  469. [22:24:36] <mkaply> do you like parse 50, then do set timeout, then parse 50, something like that?
  470. [22:24:46] <ianloic> mkaply, there's a technique I used at Flock that was kind of neat...
  471. [22:26:18] <ianloic> hmm, can't find a good clean version of the pattern
  472. [22:26:55] <ianloic> mkaply, basically, use timers and js 1.7's yield to do cheap & nasty cooperative multitasking :)
  473. [22:28:28] <mkaply> So basically yield every so often, set a timer to go back in the yield until processing is done.
  474. [22:28:33] * mkaply isn't so sure about yield
  475. [22:28:44] <ianloic> yeah
  476. [22:28:58] <ianloic> it means you can keep your algorithm as a loop without blocking the ui
  477. [22:29:56] <ianloic> yield is excellent :)
  478. [22:33:48] <mkaply> it's my getElementsByAttribute
  479. [22:34:06] <mkaply> that's a big part
  480. [22:35:57] <mkaply> removing duplicates is expensive as well
  481. [22:36:58] * mkaply really needs a JS expert to work on Operator with hmi
  482. [22:40:13] <ianloic> yeah
  483. [22:40:21] <ianloic> js wizardry is important
  484. [22:40:33] <ianloic> it's also hard to do things piece by piece when the DOM may well be changing under you
  485. [22:40:44] <mkaply> I was hoping Dan Webb would help
  486. [22:41:34] <mkaply> Of course having the ability to actuallly use CSS selectors to find DOM nodes would be nice as well.
  487. [22:41:41] <mkaply> Instead of rolling my own
  488. [22:42:01] <Phae> Dan'll be at SxSW
  489. [22:43:48] * mkaply really has to figure out how he is going to meet all these people before the panel
  490. [22:43:54] <ianloic> mkaply, yeah - I think CSS selectors are a good way to go
  491. [22:44:01] * ianloic sighs. Wish I was at SxSW...
  492. [22:44:08] <bewest> getElementsBySelector()++
  493. [22:44:16] <ianloic> yeah
  494. [22:44:18] <Phae> :)
  495. [22:44:39] <Phae> Well, when you find me, Dan probably won't be far away. He's a friend of mine.
  496. [22:44:46] <ianloic> if getElementsBySelector could be async with a callback it would call when it found matching nodes that would be really nice:)
  497. [22:44:50] <Phae> He'll be at our panel, I imagine.
  498. [22:44:57] <bewest> ianloic: ooooooooo
  499. [22:45:06] <mkaply> I can't really do anything on Sat or Sun. I probably won't even showup until Mon Morn
  500. [22:45:15] <Phae> :(
  501. [22:45:18] <Phae> That's a shame
  502. [22:45:33] <bewest> ianloic: greenlets in js?
  503. [22:45:37] <bewest> or something
  504. [22:45:39] <mkaply> Phae: It's a family thing :)
  505. [22:45:41] <bewest> you need coroutines for that, right?
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  507. [22:45:46] <ianloic> bewest, greenlets?
  508. [22:45:49] <mkaply> Already had plans to do stuff in San Antonio on Saturday
  509. [22:45:53] <Phae> Yeah :) I'm sure there's a good reason.
  510. [22:45:56] <ianloic> bewest, oh, we have coroutines in js
  511. [22:46:01] <Phae> I fly out on Wednesday.
  512. [22:46:08] <bewest> greenlets are Ian Bicking's coroutines for python
  513. [22:46:12] <ianloic> bewest, or something close enough. At least we do in mozilla :)
  514. [22:46:27] <bewest> ianloic: yeah, I'm a little fuzzy on how it works...are you talking about yield?
  515. [22:46:33] <ianloic> bewest, yeah
  516. [22:46:35] <bewest> ianloic: that's still a little too new
  517. [22:46:43] <bewest> is it in the ecma standard?
  518. [22:47:17] <mkaply> Phae: Anyone definitely planning to be at anything besides the session? I'll be at the Mozilla party. Have to talk to my wife about Sunday afternoon
  519. [22:47:20] <mkaply> and evening
  520. [22:47:34] <Phae> I'm not entirely sure. Best check upcoming I suppose.
  521. [22:47:36] <ianloic> bewest, possibly... :) I work mostly in mozilla stuff so I've started using this stuff fairly heavilly
  522. [22:47:40] <Phae> I've not really planned my itinerary at all yet.
  523. [22:48:03] <ianloic> bewest, actually, just doing callbacks on matches can be done without that - you can use the window.setTimeout and store your state somewhere else
  524. [22:48:48] <mkaply> Phae: Lots of parties on upcoming - nothing really microformat specific
  525. [22:49:07] <Phae> Yea
  526. [22:49:28] <Phae> I don't honestly know
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  530. [23:00:45] <scottbauer> Hey guys, I've got a question. Is there a preferred way to secure the information in an hCard besides some sort of Captcha?
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  532. [23:02:35] <ianloic> scottbauer, what do you mean "secure" it? Prevent web crawlers from indexing it?
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  534. [23:02:47] <scottbauer> yes
  535. [23:03:10] <ianloic> scottbauer, if you use robots.txt most things won't index your page
  536. [23:03:36] <ianloic> scottbauer, I assume technorati and other uF crawlers obey robots.txt
  537. [23:04:01] <ianloic> scottbauer, but microformats are all about making your content machine readable
  538. [23:04:19] <ianloic> scottbauer, its kind of rude to make it machine readable and then tell machines not to read it :)
  539. [23:04:21] <scottbauer> I'm not familiar with robots.txt, but I'll check it out.
  540. [23:04:23] <scottbauer> haha
  541. [23:04:34] <ianloic> robotstxt.org iirc
  542. [23:05:22] <scottbauer> thanks
  543. [23:06:25] <KevinMarks> technorati doesn't afaiak, because it's ping-driven
  544. [23:06:49] <KevinMarks> (unless they added it in the last month)
  545. [23:08:44] <scottbauer> direct access to the hCard data will require a login, so it wouldn't have access anyway.
  546. [23:09:11] <scottbauer> I haven
  547. [23:11:07] <KevinMarks> well, having them accessible to js in the browser is still handy
  548. [23:11:40] <scottbauer> I haven't done much research on the bots that are out there nowadays, so maybe I'm just scared or something.
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  550. [23:11:56] <jibot> chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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  552. [23:14:10] <scottbauer> I just don't want a bot to harvest hCards off my site. I'll check out robots.txt, hopefully that will keep them in check.
  553. [23:18:28] <ianloic> scottbauer, why don't you want that?
  554. [23:21:48] <scottbauer> Maybe I'm just going about this the wrong way. The hCard contains personal information, address, email, etc.
  555. [23:22:12] <scottbauer> Maybe I just need to think about this a little more and come back when I'm ready...
  556. [23:23:32] <ianloic> I've got all that information as an hCard mostly so crawlers can look up that information
  557. [23:23:43] <ianloic> s/look up/index/
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  559. [23:24:34] <ianloic> if you search here: http://kitchen.technorati.com/contact/search/Ian+McKellar
  560. [23:24:55] <ianloic> the second link will take you to a page that has all my contact info
  561. [23:31:08] <scottbauer> having trouble brining up that page. I think I might be just trying to force hCards into the site. I need to think a little bit before we just say "Hey! Lets use an hCard!"
  562. [23:31:33] <scottbauer> there it goes
  563. [23:33:54] <scottbauer> so your theory is "Tell em all and let the spam filters figure it out" ;)
  564. [23:34:00] <ianloic> if the information is already there it shouldn't do any harm
  565. [23:34:03] <ianloic> exactly
  566. [23:34:07] <ianloic> my email address is already out there
  567. [23:34:21] <ianloic> and if someone wants to stalk me they can find my address pretty easily anyway
  568. [23:34:23] <pnhChris> perhaps if you're adding new content... but if the content is out there, and will continue to be with hcard syntax or not, then the impact of hcard is much smaller
  569. [23:34:31] * pnhChris nods
  570. [23:38:07] <scottbauer> Thanks for the help guys. I think I'm a little more comfortable now.
  571. [23:40:41] <ianloic> I just want to know why technorati put's messina's link to my hcard above my own!
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  573. [23:42:29] <kingryan> it's time sorted
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  575. [23:45:03] <ianloic> kingryan, fair enough. Do you sort track uf data updates or just page modification times?
  576. [23:45:20] <kingryan> sometimes both
  577. [23:46:58] <ianloic> kingryan, cool
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