IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-28

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  10. [00:26:24] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  14. [00:48:13] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  29. [02:09:34] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  39. [03:02:08] <jibot> redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net and is linklogging at http://deliciouslymeta.com
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  42. [03:38:03] <mfbot> [[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14904 * PatRamsey * (-23)
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  44. [03:57:18] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  51. [04:54:55] <hober> how was the µf BoF?
  52. [04:55:04] * hober didn't get to the Hyatt until 9:35 :(
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  62. [05:51:45] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  64. [05:58:59] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  72. [06:35:19] <tylerr> Hello all.
  73. [06:35:31] <hober> hi
  74. [06:37:09] <tylerr> Seems to be a quiet night in development land.
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  78. [06:53:41] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  87. [07:53:18] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  89. [08:00:53] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  90. [08:11:49] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14905 * Joris * (+112) New Examples -
  91. [08:16:35] <mfbot> [[buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=14906 * AndyMabbett * (+283) Licensing
  92. [08:17:26] <mfbot> [[User talk:Kwilson]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Kwilson * AndyMabbett * (+125) Button licensing
  93. [08:17:52] <mfbot> [[User talk:Ruben]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Ruben * AndyMabbett * (+124) Button licensing
  94. [08:18:18] <mfbot> [[User talk:RobCrowther]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:RobCrowther * AndyMabbett * (+124) Button licensing
  95. [08:18:59] <mfbot> [[User talk:Bryan]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Bryan * AndyMabbett * (+124) Button licensing
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  97. [08:25:51] <mfbot> [[advocacy-email-samples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/advocacy-email-samples * Tantek * (+2351) drafted with a couple of email samples
  98. [08:26:42] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14907 * Tantek * (+428) added suggestion of contribution of advocacy emails
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  100. [08:31:07] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  103. [08:34:28] <mfbot> [[spread-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=spread-microformats&diff=0&oldid=14908 * Tantek * (+154) added email section
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  105. [08:59:09] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  107. [09:18:50] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  113. [09:51:37] <mfbot> [[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=14909 * AndyMabbett * (+452) Move AddressFix to implementations; add detail
  114. [09:52:28] <mfbot> [[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=14910 * AndyMabbett * (+64) Implementations - UK, the British Isles and China
  115. [09:59:59] <mfbot> [[buttons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=14911 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Licensing - ytop
  116. [10:08:26] <mfbot> [[events/2007-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=14912 * Tantek * (+301) added photos of attendees to Attending section
  117. [10:15:22] <mfbot> [[advocacy-email-samples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-email-samples&diff=0&oldid=14913 * AndyMabbett * (+1639) Geo & more
  118. [10:16:23] <mfbot> [[buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=14914 * Tantek * (+135) added concrete suggestion of using CC-by-3.0 license
  119. [10:16:39] <mfbot> [[buttons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=14915 * Tantek * (+7)
  120. [10:17:05] <mfbot> [[buttons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=14916 * Tantek * (+14)
  121. [10:18:11] <mfbot> [[advocacy-email-samples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-email-samples&diff=0&oldid=14917 * Tantek * (+9)
  122. [10:20:32] <mfbot> [[advocacy-email-samples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-email-samples&diff=0&oldid=14918 * AndyMabbett * (+65)
  123. [10:21:58] <mfbot> [[advocacy-email-samples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-email-samples&diff=0&oldid=14919 * AndyMabbett * (-2)
  124. [10:22:49] <mfbot> [[advocacy-email-samples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-email-samples&diff=0&oldid=14920 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Geo 1 -
  125. [10:23:10] <mfbot> [[advocacy-email-samples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-email-samples&diff=0&oldid=14921 * AndyMabbett * (+5)
  126. [10:25:06] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14922 * AndyMabbett * (-1) sp,
  127. [10:26:57] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14923 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Geo Successes -
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  143. [11:33:11] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  154. [11:57:17] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  158. [12:15:25] <jibot> ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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  161. [12:29:22] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  163. [12:31:10] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  173. [13:04:38] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  174. [13:05:29] <mfbot> [[buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=14924 * RobCrowther * (+253) Licensing -
  175. [13:14:06] <mfbot> [[buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=14925 * RobertBachmann * (+166) Licensing - cc-by 3.0 license for my buttons
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  178. [13:33:47] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  207. [14:35:22] <mkaply> Categories in hCard can optionally be represented by tags with rel-tag. When a category property is a rel-tag, the tag (as defined by rel-tag) is used for that category.
  208. [14:35:46] <mkaply> Does this mean that I should store the actual tag microformat as the classname? Or just get the tagname from the tag and use that string as the category?
  209. [14:36:36] <tantek> the classname is "category" either way
  210. [14:36:48] <tantek> but the difference is in the tag itself
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  212. [14:37:14] <tantek> with rel-tag, it sets the tag specifically to the last segment of the URL - what is says in the rel-tag spec
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  215. [14:37:29] <mkaply> I'm more thinking if I were constructing a JS structure that represented the hcard, would I want category[0] to be a string always, or either a string or a tag structure
  216. [14:37:34] <tantek> without rel-tag, the category property is like any other plain text property in hCard
  217. [14:37:49] <tantek> either a string or a tag structure
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  219. [14:39:19] <codecks> hello, have a question
  220. [14:41:15] <codecks> must all the property's of a microformat be present to have a valid microformat ?
  221. [14:41:53] <mkaply> nope. Certain properties in certain microformats are required
  222. [14:41:56] <mkaply> like fn in an hCard
  223. [14:42:56] <tantek> others are optional
  224. [14:43:03] <tantek> see the cheat-sheets for summaries of that
  225. [14:43:10] <codecks> ok, thanks, is this stated on the hcard wiki page ? Had a quick look but didn't find it
  226. [14:43:29] <codecks> ok
  227. [14:44:00] <tantek> i believe it does say which property (fn) is required
  228. [14:44:02] <tantek> and thus properties that don't say they are required are optional
  229. [14:47:15] <codecks> exactely what I was looking for, thanks
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  256. [15:12:42] <codecks> are the order of the fields important ? The hResume schema first specifies 'summary', then 'contact' but the hResumeCreator generates 'contact' before 'summary'. I suppose it is not since it depends on what info we wanna display first but I prefer to ask anyway
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  258. [15:14:22] <briansuda> no, you can order them any way you like
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  313. [17:24:05] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  317. [17:36:04] <tylerr> Hey the pnhChris, did you have a minute for a PM?
  318. [17:36:17] <pnhChris> i guess, sure
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  335. [17:59:10] <pnhChris> grr@mkaply... now i'm going to feel even more guilt for behind on my todo list!
  336. [18:00:22] <mkaply> pnhChris: what did I do?
  337. [18:00:35] <pnhChris> just thumbing through "the book"
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  339. [18:00:48] <pnhChris> er
  340. [18:00:58] <pnhChris> but hit the wrong person :P
  341. [18:01:03] <mkaply> no prob.
  342. [18:01:05] * mkaply wants the book
  343. [18:01:26] <mkaply> IBM only pays for stuff I can buy at barnes and noble
  344. [18:01:27] <mfbot> [[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=14938 * AndyMabbett * (+29) Examples in the wild - fmt
  345. [18:02:07] <mkaply> searching on microformats at barnesandnoble.com is funny
  346. [18:02:49] <mkaply> can birthday in hCard be an exact birth? Like date and time? Or is it just supposed to be date?
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  348. [18:03:36] <trovster> mkaply: I assume it'll be the general date-time pattern
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  350. [18:06:00] <kingryan> mkaply: per the rfc it can be a datetime
  351. [18:06:23] <mkaply> kingryan: ok. I'm moving my microformat definition file to use schema datatypes. Wasn't sure if it should be a date or a dateTime
  352. [18:06:48] <kingryan> note from the RFC:
  353. [18:06:50] <kingryan> "Type value: The default is a single date value. It can also be reset
  354. [18:06:50] <kingryan> to a single date-time value."
  355. [18:07:00] <kingryan> " Type examples:
  356. [18:07:01] <kingryan> BDAY:1996-04-15
  357. [18:07:01] <kingryan> BDAY:1953-10-15T23:10:00Z
  358. [18:07:01] <kingryan> BDAY:1987-09-27T08:30:00-06:00"
  359. [18:07:03] <mkaply> I've actually got the microformat definitions looking VERY succinct with custom code only needed for things like implied "n" optimization
  360. [18:07:23] <kingryan> (section 3.1.5 of rfc 24426, btw)
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  362. [18:08:10] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  363. [18:11:03] <tantek> s/24426/2426
  364. [18:11:23] <kingryan> tantek: you haven't seen the new rfc? :D
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  367. [18:15:01] <mkaply> biy, the naming of <value> for email and phone combiend with the <value> design pattern is really ugly
  368. [18:15:08] <mkaply> (parsing that is)
  369. [18:16:02] <kingryan> mkaply: I'm not sure what you're talking about?
  370. [18:16:17] <mkaply> kingryan: well, an "tel" can have a "type" and a "value"
  371. [18:16:27] <mkaply> but value has multiple meanings in hcard
  372. [18:16:38] <kingryan> ah, gotcha
  373. [18:16:44] <mkaply> it can mean "value' as in value for phone or email. or it is used to split something into multiple stiuff to concatenate them
  374. [18:16:47] <kingryan> you can have a "type" that uses value-excerpting
  375. [18:16:57] <mkaply> or a value that uses value-excerpting
  376. [18:17:01] <mkaply> that's where things get really weird
  377. [18:17:04] <mkaply> "value"
  378. [18:17:16] <kingryan> <span class="tel"><span class="type">foo <span class="value">bar</span></span>555-1212</span>
  379. [18:17:32] <pnhChris> ... because its not always strictly fitting the pattern, in some cases there's an implied type?
  380. [18:17:55] <pnhChris> or am i missing it too [most likely]
  381. [18:18:11] <tantek> no there is a default type if the property says so
  382. [18:20:33] <mkaply> the problem is that you can't just look for class="value" to find the value of the phone number. If you have to see if the telephone has multiple values and if so, concat. If you want to get technical, the value-excerpting could be done with child nodes of the original class="value" for the phone number
  383. [18:21:54] <mkaply> is this valid? <span class="tel"><span class="value"><span class="value">555-</span><span class="value">1212</span></span></span>
  384. [18:22:27] <kingryan> mkaply: I think I'd have to say yes
  385. [18:22:43] <mkaply> kingryan: and you can see why the reuse of the word "value" is kind of scary :)
  386. [18:22:47] <kingryan> yeah
  387. [18:26:19] <mfbot> [[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=14939 * AndyMabbett * (+262) Example from RFC2426 - make example live
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  425. [19:34:48] <oxtralite> I'm somewhat new to microformats and have some questions regarding best practices regarding interpreting and storing iCalendar timezone data. Is this a good place to ask?
  426. [19:34:57] <kingryan> sure
  427. [19:35:32] <oxtralite> when harvesting event data sometimes timestamps specify timezones, sometimes they dont
  428. [19:35:41] <oxtralite> I store both in a database and then display them back to people
  429. [19:36:44] <oxtralite> If no timezone is specified, fine, if one is, somehow I need to keep track of that (I'm guessing) so that when I display it people can know the original timezone the event was posted in
  430. [19:37:41] <oxtralite> what I'm thinking is that perhaps I should use two fields, one to store the timestamp without timezone info and not normalized, and another to store the specified timezone (if one was specified)
  431. [19:37:52] <oxtralite> does this make sense?
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  435. [19:40:16] <kingryan> most db datetime types support timezone offsets
  436. [19:40:34] <kingryan> the problem is that some (mysql included) only support floating times (times with no timezone specified)
  437. [19:40:43] <kingryan> floating times are not the same as +0000
  438. [19:40:49] <oxtralite> right
  439. [19:40:50] <mfbot> [[persondata]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/persondata * AndyMabbett * (+1638)
  440. [19:40:58] <oxtralite> that is the problem I face
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  442. [19:41:21] <mfbot> [[persondata]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14952 * AndyMabbett * (-14) Notes -
  443. [19:41:35] <oxtralite> I'm using postgres. It seems that when I specify a timezone, it uses that info to convert the timestamp I specified to UTC, but does not preserve the timezone I specified
  444. [19:41:42] <mfbot> [[persondata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14953 * AndyMabbett * (+15)
  445. [19:42:13] <oxtralite> and the problem you mention of what do I do when no timezone was specified
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  447. [19:42:48] <mfbot> [[persondata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14954 * AndyMabbett * (+9) Notes -
  448. [19:43:25] <oxtralite> Normally, when people don't specify a timezone I think it is no problem to assume that someone reading the event info when I display it can infer that the time specified is in the timezone where the event was specified
  449. [19:43:44] <mfbot> [[persondata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14955 * AndyMabbett * (+31) Shared attributes -
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  451. [19:44:13] <oxtralite> But if a timezone is specified and it gets normalized to UTC, when I pull it back, if I don't somehow track the timezone it originated in, I have no way to convert it back to that timezone
  452. [19:44:41] <oxtralite> So, I could just throw away the timezone data always
  453. [19:44:51] <mfbot> [[persondata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14957 * AndyMabbett * (+3) Persondata -
  454. [19:45:04] <oxtralite> However, if an event crosses timezones, then it is important that the timezone is preserved
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  456. [19:45:26] <oxtralite> so this leads me to thinking I'm going to have to use two fields, one to store the timestamp and another to specify the timezone
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  459. [19:45:51] <oxtralite> If an event doesn't specify a timezone, then I just specify a null timezone
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  466. [19:48:34] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  473. [20:01:37] <oxtralite> k, thanks
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  548. [20:53:55] <kingryan> oxtralite: sorry, I got pulled away from the computer
  549. [20:54:07] <kingryan> yeah, it looks like you might have to use two fields
  550. [20:54:38] <oxtralite> no worries. thanks. that is the conclusion I've come to
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  555. [21:04:16] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  556. [21:06:10] <mfbot> [[persondata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14972 * Tantek * (-17) markupo
  557. [21:06:57] <tantek> oxtralite - a datetime lacking a timezone means a floating time, which means something different than a datetime with an explicit timezone. per RFC2445.
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  559. [21:08:07] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  575. [21:40:22] <mfbot> [[priorities]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/priorities * BenWest * (+283) BenWest's opinions... stubbed out 3 priorities.
  576. [21:40:51] <bewest> <.<
  577. [21:40:52] <bewest> >.>
  578. [21:41:21] * bewest instantly expresses himself
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  583. [21:51:07] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  584. [21:52:06] <mkaply> anyone notice that upcoming.org doesn't have geos anymore?
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  587. [22:02:54] <mfbot> [[persondata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14973 * AndyMabbett * (+8) Shared attributes -
  588. [22:03:45] <mfbot> [[persondata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14974 * AndyMabbett * (-1) typo
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  591. [22:05:33] <mkaply> bewest: you might be interested in my efforts to define my microformats for operator with as little code as possible:
  592. [22:05:36] <mkaply> http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/ufJS/microformats/hCard.js
  593. [22:06:00] <mkaply> I've got it to where I identify datatypes in the microformat. Custom code is only needed for things that are "abnormal" like implied n and implied nickname
  594. [22:07:44] <bewest> mkaply: isn't implied n expressible as a list of preferred xpath expressions?
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  596. [22:08:41] <mkaply> bewest: probably. At this point the parser needs to work in IE and Firefox. So as little XPath as possible.
  597. [22:09:44] <bewest> you can do xpath in IE, can't you?
  598. [22:12:24] <mkaply> some say yes, some say no. I need to do some more research.
  599. [22:12:28] <mkaply> Anyway, time for dinner
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  605. [22:17:16] * kingryan is writing test cases for parsing hcalendar attachments
  606. [22:17:32] <kingryan> does it make sense to trust the a@type and put it in iCalendar's FMTTYPE ?
  607. [22:18:21] <hober> @type is advisory, but then again it's so rare that I'd trust it if it acutally exists...
  608. [22:21:31] <mfbot> [[persondata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=persondata&diff=0&oldid=14975 * AndyMabbett * (+34) introduction page
  609. [22:24:28] <kingryan> that's what I'm thinking, hober
  610. [22:26:21] <kingryan> it seems to me (though the rfc doesn't say so explicitly), FMTTYPE is also advisory
  611. [22:27:18] <mfbot> [[implement]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implement&diff=0&oldid=14976 * AndyMabbett * (+81) aded Geo
  612. [22:28:26] <hober> yes, and even if it isn't client code has to act like it is
  613. [22:28:39] <Dimitri__> Hello, I'm trying to understand some elements of the hResume microformat, I generated an example with hResumeCreator. I don't really get all of the xhtml. For instance, it is stated that 'education' should be a hcalender. That's ok, the generated code contains the hcalender but it seems to have a nested hcard using the 'org' class to specify the education place. Why is that ? Is it normal to mix up 2 microformats. It's
  614. [22:28:39] <Dimitri__> a bit confusing. I noticed the same behaviour with the antix cv builder.
  615. [22:29:27] <bewest> yes you can mix and match and nest microformats no problem
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  617. [22:33:08] <Dimitri__> this surely provides flexibilty, but it's kinda confusing, ain't it ?
  618. [22:34:34] <kingryan> it would be more confusing to create new names for things in different contexts
  619. [22:35:12] <Dimitri__> I mean, when I look at the specs of hCalendar, I don't see any reference to hCard
  620. [22:44:00] <Dimitri__> Looking at the hResume cheatsheet I read: class="education" (hcalendar) , does this mean there should be a class education containing at least an hcalender + some other classes we need, like hcard f.e. ?
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  625. [23:15:21] <tantek> Dimitri__ take a look at the spec for such details. In short yes, hCalendar events for education events.
  626. [23:21:22] <Dimitri__> My mistake. Thanks for pointing me out.
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  628. [23:24:42] <tylerr> Ah so you'd mark up your four years at school as an hCalendar event eh?
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