IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-13
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[[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15526 * ManuSporny * (-5) Music Podcasting -
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[[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15527 * ManuSporny * (+0) Music Podcasting -
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[[audio-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15528 * ManuSporny * (+269)
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[[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15529 * ManuSporny * (-8) Example Analysis -
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[[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15530 * ManuSporny * (+59) Analysis -
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[[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15531 * ManuSporny * (+4) Proposal -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15532 * ManuSporny * (+2309) Discovered Elements -
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[[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15533 * ManuSporny * (+165) release date -
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15534 * HOSPEDAGEMS * (+156) DATA
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15535 * HOSPEDAGEMS * (-14)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15536 * HOSPEDAGEMS * (-1) DATA
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15537 * HOSPEDAGEMS * (+2)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15538 * HOSPEDAGEMS * (+1) DATA
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15539 * HOSPEDAGEMS * (+172) DATA1
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15540 * HOSPEDAGEMS * (+1) DATA1
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[[podcasts-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts-fr&diff=0&oldid=15541 * IisKeb * (-5438)
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[[audio-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15542 * ManuSporny * (+1832) Updating discovered elements
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[[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=15543 * Griffin * (+41)
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[[User:Griffin]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Griffin * Griffin * (+116)
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:HOSPEDAGEMS" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15544 * Tantek * (-317) Reverted edit of HOSPEDAGEMS, changed back to last version by ManuSporny
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:IisKeb" with an expiry time of infinite: bot spam/vandal
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[[podcasts-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts-fr&diff=0&oldid=15545 * Tantek * (+5438) Reverted edit of IisKeb, changed back to last version by ChristopheDucamp
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[[audio-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15546 * ManuSporny * (+1465) Discovered Elements -
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[[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15547 * ManuSporny * (+13) Recommendations -
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[[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15548 * ManuSporny * (+12) acquire -
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[[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15549 * ManuSporny * (+1) label/publisher -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[Talk:WikiNode]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:WikiNode&diff=0&oldid=15550 * NrlE9f * (-91)
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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[[User talk:Griffin]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Griffin * AndyMabbett * (+71) Welcome!
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15551 * DavidMead * (+254) New Examples -
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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- [14:01:41] <McNulty>
hi
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Quick rel-tag question
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Is it appropriate to use rel-tag in a listing of links to content, such as at http://ciaranmcnulty.com ?
- [14:06:39] <McNulty>
What I mean is, is it appropriate for those tag links to be rel-tag, or is it misleading in that there's not much actual content on that listings page
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- [14:19:32] <bada>
isnt this syntax correct?: <abbr class="type" title='pref'>Local</abbr>
- [14:19:57] <bada>
parent is fn n
- [14:20:06] <bada>
er
- [14:20:18] <bada>
parent is TEL rather
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15552 * SteveRogers * (+117) New Examples -
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bada - think it's ok yeah
- [14:20:55] <bada>
that tel number doesnt show up in Operator
- [14:22:21] <McNulty>
do you have a 'value' around it?
- [14:22:40] <bada>
the next line is <span class="value">514-875-5466</span>
- [14:23:36] <bada>
the fax vcard after it shows in Operator however
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bada - do you have aURL?
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [15:05:57] <bada>
McNulty: http://rafb.net/p/3h0S3r86.html
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- [15:11:15] <McNulty>
bada - how does X2V deal with it?
- [15:12:02] <bada>
only tried Operator and Tails
- [15:12:36] <McNulty>
both fail to pick it up?
- [15:13:20] <bada>
Tails seems to pick up anything I throw at it, including made up types
- [15:13:21] <McNulty>
Operator's debug mode seems to be getting it ok
- [15:14:21] <McNulty>
My Operator is picking it up fine, in fact
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[[blog-description-format-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-format-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15553 * ZvfWjf * (-6508)
- [15:14:52] <bada>
hmm
- [15:14:58] <McNulty>
bada - what's making you think it's not working?
- [15:15:23] <bada>
Im exporting it to word, is there another way to vieww the Operator data?
- [15:15:31] <McNulty>
to *word*?
- [15:15:50] <McNulty>
export contact and then opening it as a text file you mean?
- [15:16:00] <bada>
err
- [15:16:02] <bada>
outlook sorry
- [15:16:05] <McNulty>
ah
- [15:16:07] <McNulty>
:-)
- [15:16:16] <bada>
heh dunno where word came from
- [15:16:16] <McNulty>
Export the contact and open it as a text file
- [15:16:21] <bada>
ok
- [15:16:29] <McNulty>
you'll see the data is in the VCF at least, hopefully
- [15:16:35] <bada>
yes, it is
- [15:16:42] <McNulty>
so yeah, blame Outlook
- [15:17:03] <McNulty>
dunno what Tails is doing different though, maybe do the same and compare
- [15:18:00] <bada>
ok I see TEL;TYPE=pref:514-875-5466 in the vcf when I open it in a text editor
- [15:19:51] <bada>
ok I changed 'pref' to 'poop' and I get TEL:514-875-5466, therefore if I get the type wrong it just wont display that there is a type
- [15:20:06] <McNulty>
yeah there's a fixed list of types for telephone contacts
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- [15:20:53] <McNulty>
export a VCF from tails and see what it's doing different
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- [15:23:03] <bada>
boss just called a meeting
- [15:23:08] <bada>
ty McNulty
- [15:23:22] <bada>
it seems to be fine afterall you're right
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[[blog-description-format-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-format-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15556 * Brian * (+6508) Reverted edit of ZvfWjf, changed back to last version by RyanKing
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bada: still here?
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- [17:54:39] <bada>
Im here
- [17:54:53] <mkaply>
bada: did you get your operator/tails issues figured out?
- [17:55:03] <mkaply>
outlook is very finicky in terms of it's vcard
- [17:55:15] <mkaply>
it ignores telephone numbers that have no value
- [17:55:21] <mkaply>
sorry, no type
- [17:55:52] <bada>
I think outlook was the culprit, not displaying properly the exported .vcf file
- [17:56:12] <bada>
type I put is 'pref'
- [17:56:36] <bada>
it shows the 'fax' however
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- [18:05:11] <mkaply>
bada: yeah. If the telephone looke like this
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TEL:512-555-1212
- [18:05:45] <mkaply>
outlook won't export it
- [18:05:48] <mkaply>
you have to put something
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TEL;TYPE=home:512-555-1212
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TEL;TYPE=voice:512-555-1212
- [18:06:16] <mkaply>
Operator, tails, X2V, etc. Don't put TYPE if it is not specified. Since that isn't what the spec says
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mine is TYPE=pref
- [18:06:53] <mkaply>
I'm wondering if pref isn't enough. IT wants a real type as well.
- [18:07:00] <mkaply>
pref,voice or something.
- [18:08:15] <bada>
usually I like to have local and toll free numbers represented
- [18:09:00] <kingryan>
mkaply: you could put the default types in, if that helps Outlook
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kingryan: honestly, I was considering writing an outlook specific exporter because of how many problems there are.
- [18:09:27] <mkaply>
which is kind of sad
- [18:09:42] <kingryan>
when you find problems, please document them on the wiki
- [18:09:54] <kingryan>
http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations , I thik
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think*
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kingryan: they are all there I thionk
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- [18:10:26] <kingryan>
mkaply: good
- [18:10:31] <bada>
Outlook (either 2003 or 2007 beta version) appears to only support one vCard per VCF. There are some third-party products that attempt to fix this [1]
- [18:10:46] <mkaply>
what line endings does Mac use? unix? \n?
- [18:10:46] <bada>
is that it?
- [18:10:59] <bada>
oh nm
- [18:11:32] <kingryan>
mkaply: it varies, but most things will support unix style
- [18:11:55] <mkaply>
I'm considering just switching all vcard export to \r\n because of the bluetooth problem. I think that's what X2V does
- [18:12:12] <bada>
oh I found it
- [18:12:17] <bada>
TEL
- [18:12:17] <bada>
If you do NOT specify TYPE=HOME,WORK,... then no address information is imported
- [18:12:30] <bada>
I only put in fax and pref
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[[mars-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=15560 * Brian * (+1023) Reverted edit of YefY58, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
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ddfreyne is nothing
- [21:03:58] <defunkt>
ddfreyne: hey
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hi
- [21:04:12] <defunkt>
i'm chris wanstrath
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i just sent you an email
- [21:04:19] <ddfreyne>
oh, cool :)
- [21:04:28] <defunkt>
i applied the patch and had some failing tests =/
- [21:05:06] <ddfreyne>
I read… odd… I'll check it out right now.
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defunkt: you are linking to your WWR profile… is that a page where mofo doesn't work as expected, or… ?
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ah, got them
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ddfreyne: oh, doh
- [21:12:02] <defunkt>
ddfreyne: that was a broken copy and paste
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ddfreyne: http://pastie.caboo.se/53702
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I call that subliminal advertising
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haha
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Looks like a bug in Time.xmlschema()
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Well, in any case, Time.xmlschema() can't handle all ISO 8601 dates, and there's no Date class method that does anything similar
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As for why I managed to let all tests pass… no clue
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Heh, looks like I'll have quite some more work to get that fixed
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i'd help out more but i'm at work right now
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[[User talk:Mac Lover]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Mac_Lover * AndyMabbett * (+71) Welcome!
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defunkt: apparently there is no reliable method of parsing all possible ISO 8601 dates and times in Ruby
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defunkt: not even the Time.parse you use previously handles them all
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ddfreyne: date and time stuff in ruby kinda sucks
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kingryan: clearly :)
- [22:08:43] <defunkt>
ddfreyne: that sucks. what are you thinking should be done?
- [22:09:46] <ddfreyne>
defunkt: somebody suggested talking to apeiros… is doing a lot of date/time related stuff in Ruby… otherwise I'll just try writing my own ISO8601 parser
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Time to get some sleep — g'night
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