IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-22
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15909 * Chris Messina * (+606) adding links
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shawn_ is in Mountain View, CA
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=15910 * Vadania * (+0) Fixing a typo (missing '=') at line 7, char 33 which caused an XML / SGML parse error.
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I keep reading microformats as mIRCoformats — awful
- [09:17:33] <ddfreyne>
Uh, what's this about rel="external"? That doesn't make much sense…
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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AlexanderGraf is a designer and webdeveloper from Innsbruck, Austria who writes on http://www.aetherworld.org/ and works for DERI Innsbruck (http://www.deri.org/)
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15911 * Tantek * (-142) removed article that contains posh-fud, will move to a posh-fud page
- [09:50:23] <ddfreyne>
tantek: doesn't the POSH page need a small paragraph explaining what POSH exactly is?
- [09:51:49] <ddfreyne>
tantek: also, the Why section focuses solely on the acronym, not the idea behind POSH… is that intentional?
- [09:52:21] <ddfreyne>
(the page says how and why and where, but doesn't even say "POSH is <something>")
- [09:52:25] <tantek>
it is in progress
- [09:52:32] <tantek>
i should note that too
- [09:52:36] <tantek>
it does say
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POSH is plain old semantic html
- [09:52:49] <tantek>
and there is years of defining what is semantic html
- [09:52:59] <tantek>
this effort is more about organizing and awareness than defining anything new
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of course
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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[[User:WebOrganics]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:WebOrganics * WebOrganics * (+72)
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15912 * Joshua Brewer * (+59) Spread POSH -
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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[[plain-old-xml-considered-harmful]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=plain-old-xml-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=15913 * Tantek * (+13) reference POSH
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[[pox]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/pox * Tantek * (+46)
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[[semantic-xml]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-xml * Tantek * (+46)
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[[posh-fud]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/posh-fud * Tantek * (+707) draft
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[[posh-issues]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/posh-issues * Tantek * (+786) drafted
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15914 * Tantek * (+636) moved presentation links from semantic-html page.
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[[semantic-xhtml]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=15915 * Tantek * (-849)
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- [16:31:47] <ddfreyne>
Bah, usage of <dl> really confuses me — nobody seems to agree on what it's good for
- [16:32:06] <tantek>
ddfreyne - XOXO defines a pretty good use for it
- [16:32:31] <tantek>
and the *definition* in HTML4.01 is decent, you just have to ignore the ridiculous example of a *dialog* (which makes no sense)
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tantek: yep, the line about using dl for dialog is most confusing
- [16:33:57] <tantek>
yeah - that's basically just a bad path to walk down
- [16:34:13] <tantek>
and because it's only an *example* in the spec, it's non-normative, therefore technically ignorable
- [16:34:33] <tantek>
and since it contradicts or certainly doesn't fit with the *definition* of <dl> at all, it should be ignored
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I think I'll simply use <dl> for definition lists for now
- [16:35:15] <tantek>
precisely
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I dislike how HTML5 changes the meaning of <dl>, too
- [16:37:09] <tantek>
yes, that's a mistake too
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lots of folks dislike it
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I was wondering — what exactly is "bad" about <header> (and <footer>) elements in HTML5? class="header" would work equally well, perhaps better, but <header> prevents people from coming up with alternative class names such as "top", "head", "header", "heading", …
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[[rest/ahah]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/ahah&diff=0&oldid=15916 * HcvNaj * (-4494)
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=15917 * Antix * (+22) Implementations -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[xoxo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo&diff=0&oldid=15918 * QejGxi * (-8780)
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[[posh-fud]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fud&diff=0&oldid=15921 * JesseKeyes * (+133)
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