IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-24
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=15968 * Deprimer * (+188) Examples in the wild -
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[[hcard-authoring]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=15969 * RyanKing * (+399) adding a note about @id and fragment identifiers
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[[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=15970 * Tantek * (+912) added Q&A: "I have a problem with serving a vCard vcf file"
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15971 * Tantek * (+31) link to separate page for list of profiles that support hCard
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15972 * ManuSporny * (+224) Exploratory Discussions -
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15973 * ManuSporny * (+40) Exploratory Discussions -
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[[hcard-supporting-profiles]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-profiles * Tantek * (+1898) drafted
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[[profiles-supporting-hcard]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/profiles-supporting-hcard * Tantek * (+39)
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=15974 * Tantek * (+134) added tip about using hCard creator to learn how hCard markup works
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[[grouping-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/grouping-examples * ManuSporny * (+8644) Initial page stub, problem definition, and set of examples
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [05:09:50] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=15975 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) Améliorez POSH - typo
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[[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=15976 * ChristopheDucamp * (-7)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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does Christophe come in here?
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AlexanderGraf is a designer and webdeveloper from Innsbruck, Austria who writes on http://www.aetherworld.org/ and works for DERI Innsbruck (http://www.deri.org/)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[irc-people]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=15977 * Vadania * (+41) Added self
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[hcalendar-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-profile&diff=0&oldid=15978 * Vadania * (+2716) Second pass at an XMDP profile: XMLized existing description, added "attendee", "contact", and "organizer" commensurate with "Semantic Equivalents" section of the hcalendar page.
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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[[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=15979 * ChristopheDucamp * (+991) [fr:CHIC could be the translation of POSH - Code HTML Intrinsèquement Classe]
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[[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=15980 * ChristopheDucamp * (+9) Pourquoi POSH va être traduit en CHIC -
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[[semantic-html-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-html-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+31)
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[[plain-old-semantic-html-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/plain-old-semantic-html-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+21)
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[[semantic-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+31)
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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[[presentational-html-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentational-html-fr&diff=0&oldid=15981 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1144)
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[[présentationnels]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/pr%C3%A9sentationnels * ChristopheDucamp * (+36) #REDIRECT [[presentational-html-fr]]
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[[posh-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=15982 * StephaneGigandet * (+3) Pourquoi POSH va être traduit en CHIC - : traduction franglais->français. ;-)
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[[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=15983 * ChristopheDucamp * (-5) Pourquoi POSH est traduit en CHIC -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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[[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=15984 * ChristopheDucamp * (+107) Billets de Blog CHIC -
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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[[grouping-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=15985 * ManuSporny * (+340) Adding discussions section
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[[grouping-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=15986 * ManuSporny * (-1) Contributors -
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can headers= specify multiple things?
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=15987 * ManuSporny * (-8) Schema -
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[[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=15998 * Tantek * (-101) Reverted edit of Singpolyma, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=15999 * Tantek * (+108) moved Q without A here from hCard FAQ
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[[User:StephaneGigandet]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:StephaneGigandet * ChristopheDucamp * (+205) Bienvenue Stéphane parmi les Microformateurs. Nous avons besoin de toi !
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- [20:45:41] * bewest wonders if mkaply is around
- [20:45:50] <mkaply>
sir yes sir
- [20:45:55] <bewest>
hehe
- [20:45:59] <bewest>
mkaply: I have a XUL question
- [20:46:19] <bewest>
mkaply: when the tabs change, do you have to do something special to update the state of your plugin?
- [20:46:28] <bewest>
mkaply: eg, listen for ontabchange or something?
- [20:46:42] <mkaply>
bewest: exactly. Let me get you some code
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http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/operator.js
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search for "ontabchanged"
- [20:48:25] <bewest>
thanks :-)
- [20:49:19] <mkaply>
when you do stuff with ontabchanged, there's all kinds of edge cases to worry about. Make sure you test opening stuff in a background tab and closing that tab without going to the foreground tab
- [20:50:35] <bewest>
oooooo
- [20:50:36] <bewest>
sneaky
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getBrowser().tabContainer.addEventListener("select", function(e) { Operator.onTabChanged(e); }, true);
- [20:50:54] <bewest>
is that it?
- [20:51:00] <bewest>
so it's actually a "select" event?
- [20:51:32] <mkaply>
yep
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on the tab container
- [20:51:35] <bewest>
btw, mozilla doesn't offer a bind() function?
- [20:52:10] <mkaply>
as in doing socket calls in an extension?
- [20:52:17] <bewest>
I assume the reason you wrapped a function around that is to keep the reference to Operator
- [20:52:25] <bewest>
so that "this" works in the method
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- [20:52:50] <bewest>
you can modify Funciton.prototype to include a bind() method which will do this for you
- [20:53:22] <bewest>
new syntax would be ( "select", Operator.onTabChange.bindAsEventListener(Operator), true)
- [20:54:09] <bewest>
which would allow you to s/Operator/this/g on that line
- [20:54:37] <bewest>
I'm surprised mozilla doesn't offer it
- [20:55:37] <mkaply>
There's something being worked on by the Mozilla Folks called FUEL which is a plan to provide a library for extension developers to do lots of things
- [20:56:00] <mkaply>
The thing you have to be careful of in exetnsions in general is that you aren't supposed to screw around much with prototype for system stuff because it will affect all extensions.
- [20:56:12] <mkaply>
A lot of the JS libraries aren't safe to use in extensions
- [20:56:54] <mkaply>
Yeah. Modifying the function prototype in an extension would be considered bad form
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oh
- [21:07:17] <bewest>
mkaply: good point
- [21:07:21] <mkaply>
I'll give you a good example
- [21:07:32] <bewest>
although, greasemonkey is able to sandbox things, correct?
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=16004 * AndyMabbett * (+120) move last to "problems" section
- [21:07:40] <bewest>
actually I guess it's not
- [21:07:41] <mkaply>
the McAfee SiteAdvisor extension adds an "inArray" function to the String prototype.
- [21:07:59] <bewest>
gah
- [21:08:02] <mkaply>
sorry, array prototype
- [21:08:12] <mkaply>
Which means that all extensions that use for foo in bar to enumerate an array fail if the mcafee site advisor is installed
- [21:08:15] <mkaply>
They get an extra item
- [21:08:24] <bewest>
yes
- [21:08:32] <bewest>
prototype.js had that problem
- [21:08:42] <bewest>
actually I just got bit by that last week
- [21:08:56] <mkaply>
Funny part is the only reference I could find to the problem was on a japanese web apge
- [21:09:21] <bewest>
yeah
- [21:09:28] <mkaply>
http://espion.just-size.jp/archives/07/022155950.html
- [21:09:30] <bewest>
well it could be fixed if
- [21:09:31] <bewest>
uh
- [21:09:33] <mkaply>
I'm assuming this explains the problem :)
- [21:09:36] <bewest>
there's some property
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that determins if a property is enumerable
- [21:09:48] <bewest>
I'm not /that/ keen on the ecma standard stuff
- [21:10:24] <mkaply>
What I was told to work around it was to create another Array that was empty
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and if foo was in both arrays, ignore it.
- [21:10:47] <mkaply>
I ended up just switching my (for foo in bar) to do .length for loops instead
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yeah
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[[datetime-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=16005 * CharlesBelov * (+7) Using <abbr> is recommended, not mandatory
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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[[datetime-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=16006 * CharlesBelov * (+803) Discussion - Added a few questions
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