IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-06-06

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  1. [00:01:17] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17148 * ManuSporny * (+70) Simple Song Example -
  2. [00:01:58] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17149 * ManuSporny * (+67) Speech Example -
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  8. [00:06:31] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17151 * ManuSporny * (+87) Audio Album Example -
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  13. [00:08:31] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  18. [00:22:32] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17152 * ManuSporny * (+0) hAudio Microformat Draft Specification -
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  23. [00:40:39] <mfbot> [[photo-note-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=photo-note-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=17153 * De8F5w * (-2)
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  26. [00:55:37] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  35. [03:12:18] <mfbot> [[User:Bob Jonkman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Bob_Jonkman&diff=0&oldid=17155 * SxkTn5 * (-207)
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  38. [03:39:44] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  41. [04:01:51] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-intro-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-intro-fr&diff=0&oldid=17156 * NwoOhr * (+0)
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  43. [04:06:03] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  60. [05:48:16] <mfbot> [[User:Ragdoll]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Ragdoll&diff=0&oldid=17157 * ZogYfo * (-161)
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  66. [06:44:27] <jibot> ddfreyne is nothing
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  68. [06:46:08] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
  69. [06:47:03] <ddfreyne> ?learn ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
  70. [06:47:03] <jibot> ddfreyne is nothing and Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
  71. [06:47:17] <ddfreyne> ?forgetme
  72. [06:47:18] <jibot> I have expunged ddfreyne from my mind
  73. [06:47:19] <ddfreyne> ?learn ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
  74. [06:47:19] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
  75. [06:47:23] <ddfreyne> damn bots.
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  78. [07:02:31] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  80. [07:17:35] <mfbot> [[currency-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=17158 * Pb8A5z * (-3747)
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  85. [08:00:20] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  88. [08:11:51] <mfbot> [[advocacy-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=17159 * ChristopheDucamp * (+250) ajout explorateurs du web
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  90. [08:12:01] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  91. [08:12:27] <mfbot> [[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=17160 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3)
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  99. [09:02:19] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  102. [09:04:29] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  104. [09:14:27] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  107. [09:27:45] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  109. [09:52:05] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:De8F5w" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
  110. [09:52:16] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Cb8Axq" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
  111. [09:52:22] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:SxkTn5" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
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  115. [09:53:10] <ddfreyne> killing spree!
  116. [09:53:11] <mfbot> [[photo-note-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=photo-note-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=17161 * Tantek * (+2) Reverted edit of De8F5w, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  119. [09:54:28] <mfbot> [[User:Bob Jonkman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Bob_Jonkman&diff=0&oldid=17163 * Tantek * (+207) Reverted edit of SxkTn5, changed back to last version by Tantek
  120. [09:54:34] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-intro-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-intro-fr&diff=0&oldid=17164 * Tantek * (+0) Reverted edit of NwoOhr, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  126. [10:47:30] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  136. [12:05:02] <jibot> amette is http://amette.eu
  137. [12:25:32] <mfbot> [[rellicense-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rellicense-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=17167 * HjuPdm * (-1267)
  138. [12:29:43] <mfbot> [[geo-extension-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-extension-strawman&diff=0&oldid=17168 * TobyInk * (+384) Objection to "reference frame" as a class.
  139. [12:30:14] <mfbot> [[geo-extension-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-extension-strawman&diff=0&oldid=17169 * TobyInk * (+0) Objection to "reference frame" as a class.
  140. [12:34:50] <mfbot> [[rellicense-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rellicense-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=17170 * Tantek * (+1267) Reverted edit of HjuPdm, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  142. [12:39:32] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17171 * UtherSRG * (+1) Straw man proposal -
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  151. [13:50:27] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17173 * AndyMabbett * (+0) update
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  155. [14:01:51] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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  161. [14:38:59] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  163. [14:45:47] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  165. [14:57:39] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=17174 * EslRhl * (-5495)
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  169. [15:05:52] <mfbot> [[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17175 * Ae35Unit * (+237) New Examples -
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  172. [15:11:23] <briansuda> mkaply, i just read your email to the list, this is not a bug, it is a feature
  173. [15:11:45] <mkaply> briansuda: really?
  174. [15:12:13] <briansuda> yes, a URL is a URL is a URL, so you can associate with just ONE of it's nested parents
  175. [15:12:26] <briansuda> you CAN'T just associate it with ONE parent
  176. [15:13:15] <mkaply> But I could know that it was contained in the hcard.
  177. [15:13:21] <mkaply> and was not really intended for the review
  178. [15:13:53] <briansuda> no, because then what if it is MEANT to be in there?
  179. [15:14:19] <briansuda> if i am reviewing a restaurant then i want both
  180. [15:14:44] <briansuda> it gets more complicated with an hCal->location hCard
  181. [15:14:52] <mkaply> ok. I'll just punt then :)
  182. [15:15:12] <briansuda> i think this has come-up before many times, it SHOULD be documented somewhere
  183. [15:15:51] <briansuda> the first-instance rule describes this without consideration for nesting, because then you can use the same URL for both formats - no namespacing
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  186. [15:16:06] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  187. [15:20:09] <mfbot> [[2006-in-review]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=2006-in-review&diff=0&oldid=17177 * Tantek * (+0) Reverted edit of MxyWhf, changed back to last version by Tantek
  188. [15:23:03] <mkaply> Anyone have a page offhand that has a rel license on it?
  189. [15:23:39] <briansuda> http://suda.co.uk/notes/ (i think)
  190. [15:23:56] <briansuda> yup
  191. [15:28:06] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17178 * GEORGIoST * (+203) New Examples -
  192. [15:32:49] <mkaply> Anyone know what "Unported" means on a creative commons license?
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  194. [15:42:45] <mkaply> Hmm. I guess I need to ignore this
  195. [15:42:46] <mkaply> <link xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0/"/>
  196. [15:42:48] <mkaply> In operator
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  198. [15:44:15] <briansuda> why?
  199. [15:44:49] <briansuda> if Operator is MICROFORMATS ONLY then yes, but it is just about semantic info, then it is not incorrect
  200. [15:49:46] <mkaply> Well, I at least need to parse it better. You have the license referenced twice in your document, so it would display twice
  201. [15:50:59] <briansuda> or the issue of when they conflict!
  202. [15:51:32] <mkaply> but either way, I'm not handling that tag correctly. Because I only look for href= on <A> not <LINK>. I'l fix that.
  203. [15:51:50] <briansuda> i'd stick with the visible data, it is more trustworthy
  204. [15:53:25] * briansuda is looking for a reference
  205. [15:54:17] <tantek> i agree with briansuda, operator should act on visible microformats
  206. [15:55:07] <briansuda> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Extend_Metadata#In_META is not the same as rel-license
  207. [15:55:23] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:MxyWhf" with an expiry time of infinite: damage/spam
  208. [15:55:38] <mkaply> so by definition, rel= in a microformat only applies to <A>?
  209. [15:56:19] <tantek> mkaply, certainly that is true for rel-tag (in the spec) and I think we should generalize it for all rel microformats
  210. [15:56:33] <tantek> perhaps add it to rel-issues with a proposed resolution?
  211. [15:56:40] <mkaply> tantek: OK. I'll fix operator for that.
  212. [15:56:53] <briansuda> well, microformats are really only about visible data, LINK is not visible, so indirectly it is only on <a>
  213. [15:58:44] <mkaply> tantek: I don't see a general rel-issues page - is there one?
  214. [15:58:50] <mkaply> or did you mean rel-tag issues?
  215. [15:59:03] <tantek> mkaply, create /wiki/rel-issues
  216. [15:59:19] <tantek> and be sure to reference the rel-value specific issues pages
  217. [15:59:29] <mkaply> tantek: you just like to give me more work
  218. [15:59:47] <tantek> it's a share the love kinda thing ;)
  219. [16:00:59] <mfbot> [[rel-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-issues * MikeKaply * (+760)
  220. [16:01:26] * tantek hopes that no-one seriously proposes rel="issues" for anything.
  221. [16:01:39] <tantek> e.g. for links from a spec to its issues document.
  222. [16:01:44] <mkaply> ha
  223. [16:02:03] <tantek> we'll reject that bridge when we get to it ;)
  224. [16:02:55] <mfbot> [[rel-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-issues&diff=0&oldid=17179 * MikeKaply * (+19) Related pages -
  225. [16:03:56] <mfbot> [[rel-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-issues&diff=0&oldid=17180 * MikeKaply * (+128) Issues -
  226. [16:04:56] <mkaply> Do people use rel=license much for stuff other than creative commons?
  227. [16:05:04] <mkaply> I see apache in the examples, but does it really happen?
  228. [16:05:17] <mfbot> [[vote-links-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-ja&diff=0&oldid=17181 * SajY01 * (-3626)
  229. [16:06:00] <briansuda> mkaply you should look into sites like google code and see if they are marking-up their pages with multiple licernse
  230. [16:06:22] <mkaply> basically I use the text in the anchor, but I have a path to try to determine the common license
  231. [16:06:23] <mkaply> s
  232. [16:06:55] <briansuda> right, so you matching a URL to a specific license
  233. [16:07:00] <briansuda> so you need a full list of URLs
  234. [16:07:25] <mkaply> except crappy sites like apache don't map www.apache.org to apache.org. So parsing will be fun
  235. [16:07:39] <briansuda> ultimately that is an open-ended list, so you need a default
  236. [16:08:02] <mkaply> default is to show the internal text if it is there, otherwise the link name. and you have a "View license" option
  237. [16:08:02] <briansuda> there is some code to 'normalize' urls for OpenID and other apps
  238. [16:08:17] <mkaply> I'm mainly doing this because someone said "you should have rel license support"
  239. [16:08:22] <mkaply> And I wanted to show how easy it would be
  240. [16:08:27] <briansuda> opps
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  242. [16:09:48] <briansuda> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical
  243. [16:10:19] <mkaply> need a web service :) - pass URL, get license
  244. [16:10:55] <briansuda> don't look twords me :) that's why the default should be pretty robust
  245. [16:12:23] <mkaply> briansuda: unfortunately, as is the case with tag, noone dicated what should be IN the anchor tag.
  246. [16:12:30] <mkaply> So once again we are left without a nice default
  247. [16:12:36] <mkaply> look at your page! :)
  248. [16:12:45] <briansuda> in Operator 8a?
  249. [16:13:33] <mkaply> briansuda: no, I mean how you talk about the license. There's no good way to get context.
  250. [16:13:41] <briansuda> right
  251. [16:13:43] <mkaply> You put the link in as a link, as opposed to using a "pretty name"
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  253. [16:13:52] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  254. [16:13:57] <briansuda> there is an @title too?
  255. [16:14:45] <mkaply> that's an interesting question. should I use title in that case?
  256. [16:14:55] <mkaply> I'll add that support in. If I don't have the license, use the title.
  257. [16:15:28] <briansuda> LINK has a title attribiute, Opera, Lynx and others use them
  258. [16:16:07] <mkaply> I know about it, it's just people use it for different things
  259. [16:16:37] <briansuda> true. and if we are encouraging people to use the <a> then we should focus on that
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  261. [16:16:59] <mkaply> And I wouldn't pick up your title because you have text. It just happens to be the link
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  264. [16:17:50] <mkaply> briansuda: a special case just for you
  265. [16:17:52] <mkaply> if ((this.text) && (this.text != this.link)) {
  266. [16:18:02] <mkaply> use title
  267. [16:18:34] <briansuda> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Extend_Metadata#As_an_element_attribute
  268. [16:18:40] <briansuda> This work is licensed under the <a rel="license"
  269. [16:18:40] <briansuda> href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/">Creative
  270. [16:18:40] <briansuda> Commons Attribution License</a>
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  272. [16:18:52] <mkaply> Yeah. I like those
  273. [16:18:55] <briansuda> what do you use in that example?
  274. [16:19:44] <briansuda> so because you already know that URL you easily output your text
  275. [16:19:58] <briansuda> if you DON'T know the href value, you do what?
  276. [16:20:06] <mkaply> I use "Creative Commons Attribute License 2.0"
  277. [16:20:08] <briansuda> take the NODE value? or HREF value? or the @title
  278. [16:20:14] <mkaply> because I know the value in that case
  279. [16:20:26] <mkaply> If I don't know the value, I shoot for the contents of the anchor
  280. [16:20:27] <briansuda> what if it is an unknown HREF
  281. [16:20:41] <mkaply> If there is no anchor content, or the anchor content = .href, I'll try for title
  282. [16:20:46] <mkaply> otherwise just use the URL
  283. [16:21:25] <briansuda> ok. i would also suggest that if the NODE value is something like just "this license" or "license" it isn't too helpfeul
  284. [16:21:43] <mkaply> true.
  285. [16:21:46] <mkaply> You can play with it
  286. [16:21:48] <briansuda> but then again, neither is a cryptic URL
  287. [16:21:50] <mkaply> with operator 0.8a
  288. [16:22:07] <mkaply> http://www.kaply.com/weblog/operator-user-scripts/
  289. [16:22:11] <mkaply> Last user script under microformats
  290. [16:25:26] <mkaply> this is just evil
  291. [16:25:26] <mkaply> <SPAN class="geo">
  292. [16:25:26] <mkaply> <ABBR title="34.027864" class="latitude">
  293. [16:25:26] <mkaply> </ABBR>
  294. [16:25:26] <mkaply> <ABBR title="-84.360165" class="longitude">
  295. [16:25:26] <mkaply> </ABBR>
  296. [16:25:28] <mkaply> </SPAN>
  297. [16:25:57] <briansuda> yeah, but valid!
  298. [16:26:26] <mkaply> but the abbr is technically not empty, so I display the text. Argh.
  299. [16:26:30] <mkaply> which is a carriage return.
  300. [16:26:45] <briansuda> it shouldn't be empty,
  301. [16:26:59] <briansuda> this is why TIDY removes them.
  302. [16:27:11] <briansuda> you could TRIM() the node value of ABBR
  303. [16:27:21] <briansuda> if it is NULL and it is an ABBR you use the @title
  304. [16:27:26] <mkaply> yeah. I'm trimming, I just think I'm not trimming the carrage returns
  305. [16:29:53] * briansuda can't remember how to build operator after svn up
  306. [16:31:23] <mkaply> briansuda: if you just run buildit.cmd it will package an xpi
  307. [16:31:34] <mkaply> I haven't checked in my code for Operator in the URL bar yet. It looks really sweet.
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  309. [16:33:08] <mkaply> lat/long look totally dorky. But better than nothing
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  314. [16:48:18] <mfbot> [[events/2007-06-08-atmediaeurope07]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-06-08-atmediaeurope07&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+269) events/2007-06-08-atmediaeurope07 moved to events/2007-06-07-at-media-europe
  315. [16:51:14] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17183 * Tantek * (+68) update @media date and link
  316. [16:52:01] <trovster> http://www.creation.uk.com/sitemap/ -- Google sitemap with HTML namespace with XSLT to microformated subscribable page :D
  317. [16:52:35] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17184 * ScottWallick * (+205) Upcoming -
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  323. [17:01:39] <briansuda> hm, the new firefox update is completely broken with operator... everything keeps freezing and i can't quit!
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  325. [17:01:52] <briansuda> 2.0.0.4
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  331. [17:13:24] <mfbot> [[events/2007-06-07-at-media-europe]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-06-07-at-media-europe&diff=0&oldid=17186 * Tantek * (+1969) updated with a bunch of content, tags etc.
  332. [17:18:05] <mfbot> [[events/2007-05-25-at-media-america]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-05-25-at-media-america&diff=0&oldid=17187 * Tantek * (+487) updated tags to distinguish america vs europe
  333. [17:23:26] <cgriego> my user scripts don't seem to work in Operator 0.8a, I install the new ones and restarted Firefox..
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  335. [17:24:27] <cgriego> hAtom, hReview, XFN all three don't show on pages I know to have these in use
  336. [17:31:39] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17188 * Tantek * (+150) explicitly separated current/in-progress vs. upcoming, and upcoming events ordered soonest first
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  339. [17:37:46] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  343. [17:41:05] <mfbot> [[current events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=current_events&diff=0&oldid=17189 * Tantek * (-521) make this just redirect to the events page which contains all the info here and more
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  345. [17:43:26] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17190 * Tantek * (+371)
  346. [17:44:37] <mfbot> [[Current events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Current_events&diff=0&oldid=17191 * Tantek * (-9)
  347. [17:51:20] <ddfreyne> My site has two kinds of hcards… quick descriptions of who I am on every page, and a complete hcard on the about page… I'm reluctant to mark up the quick description as a hcard, because the about page hcard is a lot more complete
  348. [17:51:52] <ddfreyne> Should I mark that up as a hcard? I'd rather have a pointer to the about page… people could think "cool, he has a hcard" but only get the small, incomplete one.
  349. [17:52:19] <ddfreyne> Same issue with hcards in hatom, for example
  350. [17:53:42] <tantek> all instances of people should be marked up as people, and there is a discussion about how to possibly connect a brief hCard to a more definitive hCard: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Auto-Discovery
  351. [17:54:04] <ddfreyne> Thanks, I missed that one… I'll check it out.
  352. [17:54:06] <mkaply> tantek and anyone else: strange issue with tagging that I need some thoughts on:
  353. [17:54:09] <mkaply> http://www.kaply.com/weblog/2007/06/04/operator-08a-is-available/#comments
  354. [17:54:11] <mkaply> See the last comment
  355. [17:54:58] <mkaply> I think this is a problem on their page.
  356. [17:55:13] <mkaply> href="http://www.technorati.com/posts/tag/Firefox+%E8%B6%8A%E4%BE%86%E8%B6%8A%E7%B3%9F
  357. [17:55:21] <mkaply> there's no way to know that is chinese, right?
  358. [17:55:30] <mkaply> or utf8 for that matter
  359. [17:56:44] <mkaply> how does technorati know this is chinese?
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  363. [18:03:09] <mkaply> tantek: never mind. I figure it out. Javascript escape is bad
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  365. [18:04:20] <tantek> mkaply, perhaps add what you discoverd to the rel-tag-faq
  366. [18:05:39] <tantek> if it was sufficiently confusing to you, that's worthy of an FAQ entry
  367. [18:05:50] <tantek> and being as you figured it out, you're the best person to write the A: as well.
  368. [18:07:04] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-faq&diff=0&oldid=17192 * MikeKaply * (+250) rel-tag frequently asked questions -
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  396. [20:16:26] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  401. [20:54:02] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17197 * AndyMabbett * (+199) New Examples - Wikipedia template for in-line hCards
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  403. [20:54:11] <DerrickPallas> Hello, all.
  404. [20:55:18] <mfbot> [[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=17198 * AndyMabbett * (+210) Examples in the wild - Wikipedia tempalte
  405. [20:56:23] <DerrickPallas> You folks may be interested to know that there are two newly-documented fields in the Alexa Web Search and Million Search Results services.
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  407. [20:57:04] <kingryan> yeah? mf related?
  408. [20:57:18] <DerrickPallas> ClassTag and RelTag allow you to search for classes and rels that have been used on a page.
  409. [20:57:35] <DerrickPallas> (I didn't name them.)
  410. [20:58:23] <DerrickPallas> At any rate, you do nifty things like ask for all the pages that use "vcard" in a class at least once.
  411. [20:58:38] <DerrickPallas> s/you do/you can do/
  412. [20:59:09] <kingryan> nice
  413. [20:59:27] <DerrickPallas> I've been using the feature for awhile but it just became documented this morning. :)
  414. [21:00:08] <bewest> w00t :-)
  415. [21:05:22] <DerrickPallas> Ben's been waiting for that for a long time.
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  418. [21:28:49] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  431. [22:34:54] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  433. [22:36:09] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  435. [22:42:34] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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