IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-06-06
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17148 * ManuSporny * (+70) Simple Song Example -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17149 * ManuSporny * (+67) Speech Example -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17150 * ManuSporny * (+119) Audio Album Example -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17151 * ManuSporny * (+87) Audio Album Example -
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kingryan is ryan king
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=17152 * ManuSporny * (+0) hAudio Microformat Draft Specification -
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[[photo-note-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=photo-note-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=17153 * De8F5w * (-2)
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kingryan is ryan king
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[[x2v-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=x2v-issues&diff=0&oldid=17154 * Cb8Axq * (-331)
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[[User:Bob Jonkman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Bob_Jonkman&diff=0&oldid=17155 * SxkTn5 * (-207)
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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[[hcalendar-intro-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-intro-fr&diff=0&oldid=17156 * NwoOhr * (+0)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[User:Ragdoll]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Ragdoll&diff=0&oldid=17157 * ZogYfo * (-161)
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ddfreyne is nothing
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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?learn ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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ddfreyne is nothing and Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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?forgetme
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I have expunged ddfreyne from my mind
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?learn ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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damn bots.
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[currency-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=17158 * Pb8A5z * (-3747)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[advocacy-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=17159 * ChristopheDucamp * (+250) ajout explorateurs du web
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=17160 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3)
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:De8F5w" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Cb8Axq" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:SxkTn5" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:NwoOhr" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:ZogYfo" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Pb8A5z" with an expiry time of infinite: wiki damage/spam
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killing spree!
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[[photo-note-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=photo-note-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=17161 * Tantek * (+2) Reverted edit of De8F5w, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[x2v-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=x2v-issues&diff=0&oldid=17162 * Tantek * (+331) Reverted edit of Cb8Axq, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[User:Bob Jonkman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Bob_Jonkman&diff=0&oldid=17163 * Tantek * (+207) Reverted edit of SxkTn5, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[hcalendar-intro-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-intro-fr&diff=0&oldid=17164 * Tantek * (+0) Reverted edit of NwoOhr, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[User:Ragdoll]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Ragdoll&diff=0&oldid=17165 * Tantek * (+161) Reverted edit of ZogYfo, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[currency-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=17166 * Tantek * (+3747) Reverted edit of Pb8A5z, changed back to last version by Tantek
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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amette is http://amette.eu
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[[rellicense-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rellicense-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=17167 * HjuPdm * (-1267)
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[[geo-extension-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-extension-strawman&diff=0&oldid=17168 * TobyInk * (+384) Objection to "reference frame" as a class.
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[[geo-extension-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-extension-strawman&diff=0&oldid=17169 * TobyInk * (+0) Objection to "reference frame" as a class.
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[[rellicense-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rellicense-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=17170 * Tantek * (+1267) Reverted edit of HjuPdm, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17171 * UtherSRG * (+1) Straw man proposal -
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[[2006-in-review]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=2006-in-review&diff=0&oldid=17172 * MxyWhf * (+0)
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17173 * AndyMabbett * (+0) update
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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[[distributed-conversation-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=17174 * EslRhl * (-5495)
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[[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17175 * Ae35Unit * (+237) New Examples -
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[[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17176 * Ae35Unit * (+13) New Examples -
- [15:11:23] <briansuda>
mkaply, i just read your email to the list, this is not a bug, it is a feature
- [15:11:45] <mkaply>
briansuda: really?
- [15:12:13] <briansuda>
yes, a URL is a URL is a URL, so you can associate with just ONE of it's nested parents
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you CAN'T just associate it with ONE parent
- [15:13:15] <mkaply>
But I could know that it was contained in the hcard.
- [15:13:21] <mkaply>
and was not really intended for the review
- [15:13:53] <briansuda>
no, because then what if it is MEANT to be in there?
- [15:14:19] <briansuda>
if i am reviewing a restaurant then i want both
- [15:14:44] <briansuda>
it gets more complicated with an hCal->location hCard
- [15:14:52] <mkaply>
ok. I'll just punt then :)
- [15:15:12] <briansuda>
i think this has come-up before many times, it SHOULD be documented somewhere
- [15:15:51] <briansuda>
the first-instance rule describes this without consideration for nesting, because then you can use the same URL for both formats - no namespacing
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[[2006-in-review]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=2006-in-review&diff=0&oldid=17177 * Tantek * (+0) Reverted edit of MxyWhf, changed back to last version by Tantek
- [15:23:03] <mkaply>
Anyone have a page offhand that has a rel license on it?
- [15:23:39] <briansuda>
http://suda.co.uk/notes/ (i think)
- [15:23:56] <briansuda>
yup
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17178 * GEORGIoST * (+203) New Examples -
- [15:32:49] <mkaply>
Anyone know what "Unported" means on a creative commons license?
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- [15:42:45] <mkaply>
Hmm. I guess I need to ignore this
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<link xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0/"/>
- [15:42:48] <mkaply>
In operator
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- [15:44:15] <briansuda>
why?
- [15:44:49] <briansuda>
if Operator is MICROFORMATS ONLY then yes, but it is just about semantic info, then it is not incorrect
- [15:49:46] <mkaply>
Well, I at least need to parse it better. You have the license referenced twice in your document, so it would display twice
- [15:50:59] <briansuda>
or the issue of when they conflict!
- [15:51:32] <mkaply>
but either way, I'm not handling that tag correctly. Because I only look for href= on <A> not <LINK>. I'l fix that.
- [15:51:50] <briansuda>
i'd stick with the visible data, it is more trustworthy
- [15:53:25] * briansuda is looking for a reference
- [15:54:17] <tantek>
i agree with briansuda, operator should act on visible microformats
- [15:55:07] <briansuda>
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Extend_Metadata#In_META is not the same as rel-license
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:MxyWhf" with an expiry time of infinite: damage/spam
- [15:55:38] <mkaply>
so by definition, rel= in a microformat only applies to <A>?
- [15:56:19] <tantek>
mkaply, certainly that is true for rel-tag (in the spec) and I think we should generalize it for all rel microformats
- [15:56:33] <tantek>
perhaps add it to rel-issues with a proposed resolution?
- [15:56:40] <mkaply>
tantek: OK. I'll fix operator for that.
- [15:56:53] <briansuda>
well, microformats are really only about visible data, LINK is not visible, so indirectly it is only on <a>
- [15:58:44] <mkaply>
tantek: I don't see a general rel-issues page - is there one?
- [15:58:50] <mkaply>
or did you mean rel-tag issues?
- [15:59:03] <tantek>
mkaply, create /wiki/rel-issues
- [15:59:19] <tantek>
and be sure to reference the rel-value specific issues pages
- [15:59:29] <mkaply>
tantek: you just like to give me more work
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it's a share the love kinda thing ;)
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[[rel-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-issues * MikeKaply * (+760)
- [16:01:26] * tantek hopes that no-one seriously proposes rel="issues" for anything.
- [16:01:39] <tantek>
e.g. for links from a spec to its issues document.
- [16:01:44] <mkaply>
ha
- [16:02:03] <tantek>
we'll reject that bridge when we get to it ;)
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- [16:04:56] <mkaply>
Do people use rel=license much for stuff other than creative commons?
- [16:05:04] <mkaply>
I see apache in the examples, but does it really happen?
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[[vote-links-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-ja&diff=0&oldid=17181 * SajY01 * (-3626)
- [16:06:00] <briansuda>
mkaply you should look into sites like google code and see if they are marking-up their pages with multiple licernse
- [16:06:22] <mkaply>
basically I use the text in the anchor, but I have a path to try to determine the common license
- [16:06:23] <mkaply>
s
- [16:06:55] <briansuda>
right, so you matching a URL to a specific license
- [16:07:00] <briansuda>
so you need a full list of URLs
- [16:07:25] <mkaply>
except crappy sites like apache don't map www.apache.org to apache.org. So parsing will be fun
- [16:07:39] <briansuda>
ultimately that is an open-ended list, so you need a default
- [16:08:02] <mkaply>
default is to show the internal text if it is there, otherwise the link name. and you have a "View license" option
- [16:08:02] <briansuda>
there is some code to 'normalize' urls for OpenID and other apps
- [16:08:17] <mkaply>
I'm mainly doing this because someone said "you should have rel license support"
- [16:08:22] <mkaply>
And I wanted to show how easy it would be
- [16:08:27] <briansuda>
opps
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- [16:09:48] <briansuda>
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical
- [16:10:19] <mkaply>
need a web service :) - pass URL, get license
- [16:10:55] <briansuda>
don't look twords me :) that's why the default should be pretty robust
- [16:12:23] <mkaply>
briansuda: unfortunately, as is the case with tag, noone dicated what should be IN the anchor tag.
- [16:12:30] <mkaply>
So once again we are left without a nice default
- [16:12:36] <mkaply>
look at your page! :)
- [16:12:45] <briansuda>
in Operator 8a?
- [16:13:33] <mkaply>
briansuda: no, I mean how you talk about the license. There's no good way to get context.
- [16:13:41] <briansuda>
right
- [16:13:43] <mkaply>
You put the link in as a link, as opposed to using a "pretty name"
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- [16:13:57] <briansuda>
there is an @title too?
- [16:14:45] <mkaply>
that's an interesting question. should I use title in that case?
- [16:14:55] <mkaply>
I'll add that support in. If I don't have the license, use the title.
- [16:15:28] <briansuda>
LINK has a title attribiute, Opera, Lynx and others use them
- [16:16:07] <mkaply>
I know about it, it's just people use it for different things
- [16:16:37] <briansuda>
true. and if we are encouraging people to use the <a> then we should focus on that
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- [16:16:59] <mkaply>
And I wouldn't pick up your title because you have text. It just happens to be the link
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- [16:17:50] <mkaply>
briansuda: a special case just for you
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if ((this.text) && (this.text != this.link)) {
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use title
- [16:18:34] <briansuda>
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Extend_Metadata#As_an_element_attribute
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This work is licensed under the <a rel="license"
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href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/">Creative
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Commons Attribution License</a>
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- [16:18:52] <mkaply>
Yeah. I like those
- [16:18:55] <briansuda>
what do you use in that example?
- [16:19:44] <briansuda>
so because you already know that URL you easily output your text
- [16:19:58] <briansuda>
if you DON'T know the href value, you do what?
- [16:20:06] <mkaply>
I use "Creative Commons Attribute License 2.0"
- [16:20:08] <briansuda>
take the NODE value? or HREF value? or the @title
- [16:20:14] <mkaply>
because I know the value in that case
- [16:20:26] <mkaply>
If I don't know the value, I shoot for the contents of the anchor
- [16:20:27] <briansuda>
what if it is an unknown HREF
- [16:20:41] <mkaply>
If there is no anchor content, or the anchor content = .href, I'll try for title
- [16:20:46] <mkaply>
otherwise just use the URL
- [16:21:25] <briansuda>
ok. i would also suggest that if the NODE value is something like just "this license" or "license" it isn't too helpfeul
- [16:21:43] <mkaply>
true.
- [16:21:46] <mkaply>
You can play with it
- [16:21:48] <briansuda>
but then again, neither is a cryptic URL
- [16:21:50] <mkaply>
with operator 0.8a
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http://www.kaply.com/weblog/operator-user-scripts/
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Last user script under microformats
- [16:25:26] <mkaply>
this is just evil
- [16:25:26] <mkaply>
<SPAN class="geo">
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<ABBR title="34.027864" class="latitude">
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</ABBR>
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<ABBR title="-84.360165" class="longitude">
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</ABBR>
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</SPAN>
- [16:25:57] <briansuda>
yeah, but valid!
- [16:26:26] <mkaply>
but the abbr is technically not empty, so I display the text. Argh.
- [16:26:30] <mkaply>
which is a carriage return.
- [16:26:45] <briansuda>
it shouldn't be empty,
- [16:26:59] <briansuda>
this is why TIDY removes them.
- [16:27:11] <briansuda>
you could TRIM() the node value of ABBR
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if it is NULL and it is an ABBR you use the @title
- [16:27:26] <mkaply>
yeah. I'm trimming, I just think I'm not trimming the carrage returns
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briansuda: if you just run buildit.cmd it will package an xpi
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I haven't checked in my code for Operator in the URL bar yet. It looks really sweet.
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lat/long look totally dorky. But better than nothing
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[[events/2007-06-08-atmediaeurope07]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-06-08-atmediaeurope07&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+269) events/2007-06-08-atmediaeurope07 moved to events/2007-06-07-at-media-europe
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17183 * Tantek * (+68) update @media date and link
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http://www.creation.uk.com/sitemap/ -- Google sitemap with HTML namespace with XSLT to microformated subscribable page :D
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hm, the new firefox update is completely broken with operator... everything keeps freezing and i can't quit!
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2.0.0.4
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[[events/2007-06-07-at-media-europe]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-06-07-at-media-europe&diff=0&oldid=17186 * Tantek * (+1969) updated with a bunch of content, tags etc.
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[[events/2007-05-25-at-media-america]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-05-25-at-media-america&diff=0&oldid=17187 * Tantek * (+487) updated tags to distinguish america vs europe
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my user scripts don't seem to work in Operator 0.8a, I install the new ones and restarted Firefox..
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hAtom, hReview, XFN all three don't show on pages I know to have these in use
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17188 * Tantek * (+150) explicitly separated current/in-progress vs. upcoming, and upcoming events ordered soonest first
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[current events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=current_events&diff=0&oldid=17189 * Tantek * (-521) make this just redirect to the events page which contains all the info here and more
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17190 * Tantek * (+371)
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[[Current events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Current_events&diff=0&oldid=17191 * Tantek * (-9)
- [17:51:20] <ddfreyne>
My site has two kinds of hcards… quick descriptions of who I am on every page, and a complete hcard on the about page… I'm reluctant to mark up the quick description as a hcard, because the about page hcard is a lot more complete
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Should I mark that up as a hcard? I'd rather have a pointer to the about page… people could think "cool, he has a hcard" but only get the small, incomplete one.
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Same issue with hcards in hatom, for example
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all instances of people should be marked up as people, and there is a discussion about how to possibly connect a brief hCard to a more definitive hCard: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Auto-Discovery
- [17:54:04] <ddfreyne>
Thanks, I missed that one… I'll check it out.
- [17:54:06] <mkaply>
tantek and anyone else: strange issue with tagging that I need some thoughts on:
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http://www.kaply.com/weblog/2007/06/04/operator-08a-is-available/#comments
- [17:54:11] <mkaply>
See the last comment
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I think this is a problem on their page.
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href="http://www.technorati.com/posts/tag/Firefox+%E8%B6%8A%E4%BE%86%E8%B6%8A%E7%B3%9F
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there's no way to know that is chinese, right?
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or utf8 for that matter
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how does technorati know this is chinese?
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kingryan is ryan king
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tantek: never mind. I figure it out. Javascript escape is bad
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- [18:04:20] <tantek>
mkaply, perhaps add what you discoverd to the rel-tag-faq
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if it was sufficiently confusing to you, that's worthy of an FAQ entry
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and being as you figured it out, you're the best person to write the A: as well.
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17197 * AndyMabbett * (+199) New Examples - Wikipedia template for in-line hCards
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Hello, all.
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=17198 * AndyMabbett * (+210) Examples in the wild - Wikipedia tempalte
- [20:56:23] <DerrickPallas>
You folks may be interested to know that there are two newly-documented fields in the Alexa Web Search and Million Search Results services.
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- [20:57:04] <kingryan>
yeah? mf related?
- [20:57:18] <DerrickPallas>
ClassTag and RelTag allow you to search for classes and rels that have been used on a page.
- [20:57:35] <DerrickPallas>
(I didn't name them.)
- [20:58:23] <DerrickPallas>
At any rate, you do nifty things like ask for all the pages that use "vcard" in a class at least once.
- [20:58:38] <DerrickPallas>
s/you do/you can do/
- [20:59:09] <kingryan>
nice
- [20:59:27] <DerrickPallas>
I've been using the feature for awhile but it just became documented this morning. :)
- [21:00:08] <bewest>
w00t :-)
- [21:05:22] <DerrickPallas>
Ben's been waiting for that for a long time.
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[textmarks-syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=textmarks-syntax&diff=0&oldid=17199 * Zp9N9k * (-3389)
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[[textmarks-syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=textmarks-syntax&diff=0&oldid=17200 * RyanKing * (+3389) Reverted edit of Zp9N9k, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
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[[dry]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=dry&diff=0&oldid=17202 * RyanKing * (+2) Reverted edit of QrrN0f, changed back to last version by Tantek
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