IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-06-25

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  18. [05:16:54] <mfbot> [[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17910 * ScottWallick * (+117) New Examples -
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  21. [05:21:10] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  39. [07:50:01] <mfbot> [[User talk:Damien King]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Damien_King * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome!
  40. [07:51:12] <mfbot> [[Template:welcome]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:welcome&diff=0&oldid=17911 * AndyMabbett * (-3) decao
  41. [07:52:38] <mfbot> [[Template:welcome]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:welcome&diff=0&oldid=17912 * AndyMabbett * (+15) clarify use of sigs
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  43. [08:04:33] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  52. [08:59:40] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  66. [12:12:46] <jibot> Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
  67. [12:24:35] <mfbot> [[error-message-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/error-message-brainstorming * Evan * (+1497) Brainstorming kickoff
  68. [12:26:41] <mfbot> [[error-message-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=error-message-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17913 * Evan * (+118) A couple of easy steps
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  74. [13:15:40] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  81. [14:12:32] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  84. [14:15:30] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  98. [16:00:25] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
  99. [16:13:44] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17914 * CosmoChris * (+230) New Examples -
  100. [16:14:50] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17915 * CosmoChris * (+2) New Examples -
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  105. [16:29:02] <dzhus> hi all!
  106. [16:29:25] <dzhus> how is one expected to markup his *own* hCard embedded to his page?
  107. [16:29:59] <dzhus> probably, adding XFN `rel="me"` attribute to one of corresponding hCard's `url` fields?
  108. [16:31:30] <dzhus> Ah, already found the same at http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Representative_URLs :)
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  112. [16:56:48] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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  115. [17:24:34] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  123. [17:38:27] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  133. [18:24:24] <jibot> redear is http://joiwiki.ito.com/joiwiki/index.cgi?redear
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  136. [18:26:39] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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  140. [18:55:21] <kwijibo> hi mkaply - I'm Keith Alexander, can I ask another quick question about the Object structure?
  141. [19:07:11] <taaz> kwijibo: just ask
  142. [19:07:51] <kwijibo> 'sok taaz, I've taken it off channel
  143. [19:08:45] <taaz> i see. too sekret for the rest of us? :)
  144. [19:09:04] <kwijibo> well, just irrelevant really ;)
  145. [19:09:27] * taaz needs to polish and send some patches to mkaply
  146. [19:10:04] <taaz> so i've got a perhaps general question but somewhat specific to operator too
  147. [19:10:43] <taaz> should there be some standard fallback priority for getting the value of rel microformats?
  148. [19:13:20] <taaz> in particular, with haudio stuff our site has some markup like <a href="..." rel="payment"><img ..../></a>. what should operater see as the text of the payment?
  149. [19:14:57] <taaz> defaultGetter has the code related to this but in this case it falls through and returns null
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  151. [19:17:22] <mkaply> hmm.
  152. [19:17:23] <taaz> the behavior i'd like to see, which seems to fit the html model, is to add a snippet in there to use title attribute if it exists.
  153. [19:17:36] <mkaply> if there is a title on the anchor?
  154. [19:17:39] <mkaply> Or on the image
  155. [19:17:49] <taaz> but i'm not sure if the microformats community has ever agreed on a standard way to deal with such things
  156. [19:17:55] <mkaply> I don't think they have.
  157. [19:18:02] <mkaply> Let me give you an example
  158. [19:18:18] <mkaply> <div class="fn>Michael<img alt="Aaron">Kaply</div>
  159. [19:18:24] <taaz> there's actually title on anchor, and title and alt on the image.
  160. [19:18:34] <mkaply> in that case, the fn is MichaelKaply
  161. [19:18:51] <mkaply> <div class="fn><img alt="Michael Kaply"></div>
  162. [19:18:55] <mkaply> There the fn is empty
  163. [19:19:03] <mkaply> Because the microformat is defined as the text content of the node
  164. [19:19:17] <mkaply> <iimg class="fn" alt="Michael Kaply">
  165. [19:19:20] <mkaply> the fn is Michael Kaply
  166. [19:20:10] <taaz> yeah, i see how the code is doing it
  167. [19:21:56] <taaz> falling back to title seems appropriate but it does effect lots of things when it's in the defaultGetter function
  168. [19:26:00] <taaz> easy to add as a final check after that if s.length > 0
  169. [19:27:07] <taaz> though perhaps it could be higher priority. need some discussion for that i suppose
  170. [19:28:53] <taaz> like check for title before value or something. it seems to fit with how pages are written now. i had that code earlier and looking at some sites that already use title attributes on rel links and operator was displaying quite useful text. but i guess that just depends on the source markup.
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  172. [19:41:36] <taaz> mkaply: there's another issue with the plural action stuff. if you have 1 action you just see default text but 2 you get default text as menu to the custom names. this is a bit inconsistent. though perhaps it's not so user friendly to have extra level of menus for lots of 1 action items. tradeoff i guess.
  173. [19:42:27] <mkaply> taaz: And that is not the UI that someone would typically use. We think most non technical people use the action UI.
  174. [19:42:35] <mkaply> In that case, they get the customized action names on the drop down.
  175. [19:43:07] <mkaply> But yes, I saw that inconsitency. There wasn't an easy way to solve it
  176. [19:43:19] <mkaply> because the action name that is created doesn't have the "action" in it necesarily
  177. [19:43:26] <mkaply> Because in action mode, the button might say "Dial"
  178. [19:43:32] <mkaply> and the dropdowns would say "Mike at work"
  179. [19:43:36] <mkaply> "Mike at home"
  180. [19:43:53] <mkaply> actually. There might be something I can do. I'll check
  181. [19:46:35] <taaz> i think i'm just asking for a list of 1 item to be treated the same as >1
  182. [19:49:22] <taaz> want more bugs? :) good:
  183. [19:51:12] <taaz> if i enable location bar icon, the location bar menus to type->obj->"" empty tiny little boxes of nothing. and also the status bar icon is then total unusable... no menus at all.
  184. [19:51:35] <taaz> if i disable location bar icon, the status bar icon works completely fine
  185. [19:52:01] <taaz> if i display status bar icon, location bar icon works fine
  186. [19:52:04] <taaz> whee!
  187. [19:52:21] <taaz> err... disable status bar icon
  188. [19:53:49] <taaz> and in all cases activating a mf popup menu causes menu to vanish. which is better than last week where it would kill firefox completely(!) not sure why that behavior went away other than i had to reboot. weird.
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  190. [19:55:19] <taaz> sorry i'm not debugging thsi stuff and sending patches... if i find time i'll try
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  192. [20:00:03] <mkaply> I've seen the "quick vanish" thing
  193. [20:00:12] <mkaply> I've never been able to track it down. a restart fixes it
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  195. [20:01:31] <mkaply> taaz: no idae on the statusbar/urlbar - I'm not seeing it
  196. [20:01:56] <taaz> until i rebooted it was a firefox crash which looked weird. showed a cascade of tiny windows or something up the side of the screen really quick then boom
  197. [20:02:07] <taaz> figured it was something recursive
  198. [20:03:00] <taaz> i really don't know how to debug such issues... i'll try sometime.
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  204. [20:16:18] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  206. [20:18:09] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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  208. [20:30:56] * pnhChris is really out of the loop on these claimID contacts features
  209. [20:31:02] <pnhChris> nifty!
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  214. [20:55:45] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
  215. [20:57:23] <gsnedders> ?forgetme
  216. [20:57:24] <jibot> I have expunged gsnedders from my mind
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  221. [21:11:33] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  225. [21:39:55] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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  248. [23:19:00] <jibot> dydimustk is writing at http://dydimustk.com/blog
  249. [23:40:54] <mfbot> [[hreview-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17917 * AmBoy00 * (+142) New Examples -
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  252. [23:49:34] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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