IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-06-25
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17910 * ScottWallick * (+117) New Examples -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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redear is http://joiwiki.ito.com/joiwiki/index.cgi?redear
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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[[User talk:Damien King]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Damien_King * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome!
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[[Template:welcome]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:welcome&diff=0&oldid=17911 * AndyMabbett * (-3) decao
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[[Template:welcome]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:welcome&diff=0&oldid=17912 * AndyMabbett * (+15) clarify use of sigs
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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[[error-message-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/error-message-brainstorming * Evan * (+1497) Brainstorming kickoff
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[[error-message-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=error-message-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17913 * Evan * (+118) A couple of easy steps
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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epeus is Kevin Marks and the new bodysnatcher
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17914 * CosmoChris * (+230) New Examples -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17915 * CosmoChris * (+2) New Examples -
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hi all!
- [16:29:25] <dzhus>
how is one expected to markup his *own* hCard embedded to his page?
- [16:29:59] <dzhus>
probably, adding XFN `rel="me"` attribute to one of corresponding hCard's `url` fields?
- [16:31:30] <dzhus>
Ah, already found the same at http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Representative_URLs :)
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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/join #whatwg
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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kingryan is ryan king
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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redear is http://joiwiki.ito.com/joiwiki/index.cgi?redear
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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hi mkaply - I'm Keith Alexander, can I ask another quick question about the Object structure?
- [19:07:11] <taaz>
kwijibo: just ask
- [19:07:51] <kwijibo>
'sok taaz, I've taken it off channel
- [19:08:45] <taaz>
i see. too sekret for the rest of us? :)
- [19:09:04] <kwijibo>
well, just irrelevant really ;)
- [19:09:27] * taaz needs to polish and send some patches to mkaply
- [19:10:04] <taaz>
so i've got a perhaps general question but somewhat specific to operator too
- [19:10:43] <taaz>
should there be some standard fallback priority for getting the value of rel microformats?
- [19:13:20] <taaz>
in particular, with haudio stuff our site has some markup like <a href="..." rel="payment"><img ..../></a>. what should operater see as the text of the payment?
- [19:14:57] <taaz>
defaultGetter has the code related to this but in this case it falls through and returns null
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- [19:17:22] <mkaply>
hmm.
- [19:17:23] <taaz>
the behavior i'd like to see, which seems to fit the html model, is to add a snippet in there to use title attribute if it exists.
- [19:17:36] <mkaply>
if there is a title on the anchor?
- [19:17:39] <mkaply>
Or on the image
- [19:17:49] <taaz>
but i'm not sure if the microformats community has ever agreed on a standard way to deal with such things
- [19:17:55] <mkaply>
I don't think they have.
- [19:18:02] <mkaply>
Let me give you an example
- [19:18:18] <mkaply>
<div class="fn>Michael<img alt="Aaron">Kaply</div>
- [19:18:24] <taaz>
there's actually title on anchor, and title and alt on the image.
- [19:18:34] <mkaply>
in that case, the fn is MichaelKaply
- [19:18:51] <mkaply>
<div class="fn><img alt="Michael Kaply"></div>
- [19:18:55] <mkaply>
There the fn is empty
- [19:19:03] <mkaply>
Because the microformat is defined as the text content of the node
- [19:19:17] <mkaply>
<iimg class="fn" alt="Michael Kaply">
- [19:19:20] <mkaply>
the fn is Michael Kaply
- [19:20:10] <taaz>
yeah, i see how the code is doing it
- [19:21:56] <taaz>
falling back to title seems appropriate but it does effect lots of things when it's in the defaultGetter function
- [19:26:00] <taaz>
easy to add as a final check after that if s.length > 0
- [19:27:07] <taaz>
though perhaps it could be higher priority. need some discussion for that i suppose
- [19:28:53] <taaz>
like check for title before value or something. it seems to fit with how pages are written now. i had that code earlier and looking at some sites that already use title attributes on rel links and operator was displaying quite useful text. but i guess that just depends on the source markup.
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- [19:41:36] <taaz>
mkaply: there's another issue with the plural action stuff. if you have 1 action you just see default text but 2 you get default text as menu to the custom names. this is a bit inconsistent. though perhaps it's not so user friendly to have extra level of menus for lots of 1 action items. tradeoff i guess.
- [19:42:27] <mkaply>
taaz: And that is not the UI that someone would typically use. We think most non technical people use the action UI.
- [19:42:35] <mkaply>
In that case, they get the customized action names on the drop down.
- [19:43:07] <mkaply>
But yes, I saw that inconsitency. There wasn't an easy way to solve it
- [19:43:19] <mkaply>
because the action name that is created doesn't have the "action" in it necesarily
- [19:43:26] <mkaply>
Because in action mode, the button might say "Dial"
- [19:43:32] <mkaply>
and the dropdowns would say "Mike at work"
- [19:43:36] <mkaply>
"Mike at home"
- [19:43:53] <mkaply>
actually. There might be something I can do. I'll check
- [19:46:35] <taaz>
i think i'm just asking for a list of 1 item to be treated the same as >1
- [19:49:22] <taaz>
want more bugs? :) good:
- [19:51:12] <taaz>
if i enable location bar icon, the location bar menus to type->obj->"" empty tiny little boxes of nothing. and also the status bar icon is then total unusable... no menus at all.
- [19:51:35] <taaz>
if i disable location bar icon, the status bar icon works completely fine
- [19:52:01] <taaz>
if i display status bar icon, location bar icon works fine
- [19:52:04] <taaz>
whee!
- [19:52:21] <taaz>
err... disable status bar icon
- [19:53:49] <taaz>
and in all cases activating a mf popup menu causes menu to vanish. which is better than last week where it would kill firefox completely(!) not sure why that behavior went away other than i had to reboot. weird.
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- [19:55:19] <taaz>
sorry i'm not debugging thsi stuff and sending patches... if i find time i'll try
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- [20:00:03] <mkaply>
I've seen the "quick vanish" thing
- [20:00:12] <mkaply>
I've never been able to track it down. a restart fixes it
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- [20:01:31] <mkaply>
taaz: no idae on the statusbar/urlbar - I'm not seeing it
- [20:01:56] <taaz>
until i rebooted it was a firefox crash which looked weird. showed a cascade of tiny windows or something up the side of the screen really quick then boom
- [20:02:07] <taaz>
figured it was something recursive
- [20:03:00] <taaz>
i really don't know how to debug such issues... i'll try sometime.
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- [20:16:18] <jibot>
iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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- [20:18:09] <jibot>
KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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nifty!
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[[include-pattern-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-faq&diff=0&oldid=17916 * DWilbanks * (-17219) minus spam, plus question
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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?forgetme
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I have expunged gsnedders from my mind
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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epeus is Kevin Marks and the new bodysnatcher
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dydimustk is writing at http://dydimustk.com/blog
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[[hreview-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=17917 * AmBoy00 * (+142) New Examples -
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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