IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-07-26
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[[x2v-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=x2v-issues&diff=0&oldid=18781 * Tantek * (+14) see also [[vcard-implementations]] for problems with vcard implementations, same with iCalendar
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[[logical-flaws]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=logical-flaws&diff=0&oldid=18782 * Tantek * (+1008) added logical flaws: "Legally" is meaningless from nonlawyers, assertion of lack of foundation is itself without foundation.
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[[logical-flaws]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=logical-flaws&diff=0&oldid=18783 * Tantek * (+308) added "legal weight" variant.
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[[hreview-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-feedback&diff=0&oldid=18784 * MaheshThakur * (+84) General Comments -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT) and works for Yahoo! in Europe
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for Last.fm and can be found at julianstahnke.com
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=18785 * JakobVoss * (+1934) You should know -
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=18786 * JakobVoss * (+241) SRU from the Library of Congress - there is more at LOC
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[[User:WebOrganics]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:WebOrganics&diff=0&oldid=18787 * WebOrganics * (+33)
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WilleRaab is a developer of and lecturer on democracy methods and tools http://microformats.org/wiki/User:WilleRaab
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democracy methods?
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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drewinthehead is Drew McLellan, a web developer for Yahoo! and curator of tools.microformatic.com
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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[[Template:haudio-related-pages]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:haudio-related-pages * AndyMabbett * (+380) a start... (work to do)
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[[Template:haudio-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:haudio-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=18788 * AndyMabbett * (-25) rm dupe
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[[audio-info-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=18789 * AndyMabbett * (-67) rm redundant
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[[Template:haudio-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:haudio-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=18790 * AndyMabbett * (+30) Research - +1
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=18791 * AndyMabbett * (-2) fmt
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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[[audio-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=18792 * AndyMabbett * (-114) see laso
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[[audio-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18793 * AndyMabbett * (-41) See Also -
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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- [17:10:54] <mkaply>
Does anyone have any good suggestions on a format to automate microformat tests? The current hcard tests, for instance, use VCARD as their output for tests, but this relies on the user agent have a vcard exporter.
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Would generating something that lokoed like JSON be better?
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I want to build this into the Microformats in Firefox for test purposes
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mkaply, I think the possibility of JSON has been discussed on the -dev list
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Right now things are pretty ugly for us
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probably worth bringing it up again
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is(hCards[0].fn, "Tantek Çelik", "Check for fn on test vcard");
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is(hCards[0].url, "http://tantek.com/", "Check for url on test vcard");
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(this is in the Firefox test harness)
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personally I think it would be a good thing if we defined a JSON canonicalization of hCard
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not just for test purposes
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but also to encourage people to pass hCards in JSON based APIs
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rather than invent their own "person" objects as every web service seems to
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- [17:37:26] <mkaply>
something bad has happened to the test server.
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All the VCF testfiles went away
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http://microformats.org/tests/hcard/
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tantek: Who owns tests/hcard?
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Ryan King has been admining that I believe.
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IT's weirdf. All the VCF files are 0 lengt
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I know they used to work
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Question about rel-enclosure… it seems hard to add extra information to a rel-enclosure link in a POSH way… such as MD5 sums etc… what would be the way to go here?
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I could create an element with an "enclosure" class… then mark up MD5 sums etc using "md5sum" class or whatever… then add the link… but it seems odd to be having both an enclosure class, and an enclosure link in it
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ddfreyne, need a bigger microformat than just rel-enclosure for that
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some folks were researching a "download" microformat I believe
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that included MD5 etc.
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ah, that would be very useful
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he.
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- [22:01:47] <mkaply>
kingryan: there should be a compoent of http://microformats.org/tests/hcard/21-tel.html that ensures that invalid types aren't in a microformat
- [22:02:21] <kingryan>
mkaply: sure
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- [22:02:45] <tantek>
have we found invalid types in the wild? those would be good to use for invalid tests
- [22:03:10] <tantek>
to discourage overly liberal implementation of invalid types found in the wild
- [22:03:23] <mkaply>
tantek: The only one I've heard of is mobile instead of cell
- [22:03:46] <mkaply>
At least that's one I heard of someone doing before they realized cell was correct
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