IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-07-29
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=18851 * Tantek * (+20)
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greetings
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I'm going to do some heavy editing of http://microformats.org/wiki/user-interface
- [01:02:04] <tantek>
moving Social Network Portability to its own page
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[[social-network-portability]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/social-network-portability * Tantek * (+3312) drafted
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[[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18852 * Tantek * (-3118) moved Social Network Portability to its own page
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[[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18853 * Tantek * (+615) state buzzword-free goals
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[[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18854 * Tantek * (+53) link up with hcard-supporting-profiles
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[[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18855 * Tantek * (+792) added design patterns and recipes section with specific implementations suggestions
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[[social-network-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18856 * Tantek * (+1)
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[[hcard-supporting-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-profiles&diff=0&oldid=18857 * Tantek * (+226) added Pownce
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[[appcast-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=appcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18858 * Chris Messina * (+232)
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[[appcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=appcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18859 * Chris Messina * (+63)
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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- [09:37:54] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[social-network-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=18860 * AndyMabbett * (+2) same voice in both sections
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=18861 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Tools, Test Cases and Additional Research - grammar
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WilleRaab is a developer of and lecturer on democracy methods and tools http://microformats.org/wiki/User:WilleRaab
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[[adr-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18862 * AndyMabbett * (+57) At least one child-property must be present
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[[adr-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18863 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Notes - =
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[[geo-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18864 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Notes - =
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[[accessibility-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility-issues&diff=0&oldid=18865 * AndyMabbett * (+27) assistive-technology
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[[accessibility-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility-issues&diff=0&oldid=18866 * AndyMabbett * (-8) Accessibility of this wiki - fmt
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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V-I-P is a technical writer student and runs http://www.dailymentor.org and blogs at http://www.dieweisheit.de
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drewinthehead is Drew McLellan, a web developer for Yahoo! and curator of tools.microformatic.com
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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[[haudio-cheatsheet]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio-cheatsheet * WebOrganics * (+1154)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18867 * WebOrganics * (+4)
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[[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18868 * WebOrganics * (-16)
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[[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18869 * WebOrganics * (-8)
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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greetings
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working on hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists
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[[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=18870 * WebOrganics * (+24)
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[[user-interface]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18871 * Tantek * (-5)
- [17:52:14] <SignpostMarv>
hrm
- [17:52:38] <SignpostMarv>
I'm looking at haudio, i'm wondering if the spec will "support" concatenated Oggs
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[[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming * Tantek * (+2381) drafted from to-do item
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[[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18872 * Tantek * (+22)
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[[pocket-cheat-sheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18873 * Tantek * (+115)
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18874 * Tantek * (-952) help publishers with social network portability, clean-up previously completed pocket-cheat-sheet tasks
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18875 * Tantek * (+9) overall priority ordering -
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18876 * Tantek * (+13) overall priority ordering -
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[[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18877 * AndyMabbett * (+188) Semacode
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[[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18878 * AndyMabbett * (-102) moving last to feedback
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[[pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback&diff=0&oldid=18879 * AndyMabbett * (+148) Semacode
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[[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18880 * AndyMabbett * (-5) that's not what i said
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18881 * Tantek * (+745) capture some notes on hCard+XFN supporting friends list parsing
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[[hcard-supporting-profiles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-profiles&diff=0&oldid=18882 * Tantek * (+267) improved FYI, xref hCard+XFN friends lists
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[[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=18883 * Tantek * (+214) noted pownce enhancements
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[[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists * Tantek * (+2850) drafted
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[[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=18884 * Tantek * (-18)
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[[hcard-supporting-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-profiles&diff=0&oldid=18885 * Tantek * (+58) twitter instructions
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- [19:11:21] <taaz>
SignpostMarv: in what way?
- [19:11:48] <SignpostMarv>
I archives my CDs as concatenated Ogg FLACs
- [19:13:21] <SignpostMarv>
so there's one Ogg FLAC file which although isn't an audio stream in of itself, has a "total duration" of it's child files
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- [19:14:10] <SignpostMarv>
in this situation, a nested hAudio document would be useful
- [19:14:47] <taaz>
yeah. that hasn't been done yet.
- [19:15:23] <SignpostMarv>
the same hierarchy would be used for non-concatenated albums
- [19:17:05] <SignpostMarv>
a concatenated album would have a rel-enclosure & price on the root file, with a rel-sample for each track
- [19:18:48] <SignpostMarv>
a non-concatenated album would have rel-enclosure, price for all children, and rel-sample on every child that doesn't have children
- [19:18:56] <taaz>
join the micorformats-new list and disucss this. it's certainly needed but just getting haudio done was enough work on its own.
- [19:19:12] * SignpostMarv thinks mailing lists suck :-P
- [19:19:32] <taaz>
me guess is that collection stuff like this will be easier to accomplish with the RDFa hAudio spec
- [19:20:00] <SignpostMarv>
we have IRC for live discussion and the wiki for interuppted discussion
- [19:20:07] <taaz>
but then again, i'm biased since i work with guy who wrote that. :)
- [19:20:19] <SignpostMarv>
isn't RDF generally overkill ?
- [19:20:52] <taaz>
arn't microformats genearlly insufficiant?
- [19:20:59] * SignpostMarv knocks up a quick example for Queen's "The Platinum Collection"
- [19:21:03] <SignpostMarv>
microformats are modular :-P
- [19:21:23] <taaz>
they also are scopeless and have no namespace
- [19:21:39] <SignpostMarv>
why would they need a namespace
- [19:22:05] <taaz>
so you have to be very careful how you construct your example so as not to have the outer collection pick up inner properties
- [19:22:12] <taaz>
see the mfo discssuion about that
- [19:22:22] <SignpostMarv>
linky ?
- [19:22:48] <taaz>
i dunno... mailing list or wiki probably has the info
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
- [19:27:07] <taaz>
namespaces are useful since the uf community is trying to claim global claim over how these specs are used. i don't think there's any way to version or update them or provide alternatives since names would clash.
- [19:27:33] <taaz>
there's a reason nearly every programming languages uses them... i don't understand the problem.
- [19:28:25] <taaz>
haudio even snuck in namespaces. "audio-title" has a "audio" namespace. not sure why that was acceptable but other methods are not.
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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- [19:35:12] <taaz>
SignpostMarv: if you do get a haudio collection example written, try it out with my Operator haudio userscript. http://www.kaply.com/weblog/2007/07/20/operator-and-haudio/
- [19:37:29] <SignpostMarv>
taaz: http://dev.signpostmarv.name/pub/microformats/hAudio-Queen-The-Platinum-Collection.html
- [19:37:42] <SignpostMarv>
not complete yet :-P
- [19:41:30] <SignpostMarv>
do i need to reboot firefox ? I'm not seeing anything in the Operator options for hAudio
- [19:44:11] <SignpostMarv>
>_<
- [19:44:21] * SignpostMarv just discovered Queen.com has nothing to do with Queen
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- [20:22:12] <SignpostMarv>
taaz: I've noticed that "duration" isn't specified as a sub element of rel-sample
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- [22:46:29] <mfbot>
[[cheatsheets]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheets&diff=0&oldid=18886 * Tantek * (+1)
- [22:47:00] <mfbot>
[[cheat-sheets]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/cheat-sheets * Tantek * (+25)
- [22:58:42] <mfbot>
[[pocket-cheat-sheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18887 * Tantek * (+746) added more photos, restructured
- [23:04:48] <mfbot>
[[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18888 * Tantek * (+1441) rewrote in log format with key thoughts, drafts, events, added photo
- [23:05:09] <mfbot>
[[pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+3930) pocket-cheat-sheet-brainstorming moved to pocket-cheat-sheet-iterations
- [23:05:55] <mfbot>
[[pocket-cheat-sheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18889 * Tantek * (-3)
- [23:07:51] <mfbot>
[[pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet-feedback&diff=0&oldid=18890 * Tantek * (+12)
- [23:09:02] <mfbot>
[[pocket-cheat-sheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18891 * Tantek * (+17)
- [23:10:28] <mfbot>
[[pocket-cheat-sheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=pocket-cheat-sheet&diff=0&oldid=18892 * Tantek * (+15) clean up intro, reduce intro link noise
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