IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-08-27

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  1. [00:02:16] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20371 * AndyMabbett * (+2) minor copy edit
  2. [00:06:32] <mfbot> [[geo-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20372 * AndyMabbett * (+19) rfc2119-intro
  3. [00:07:28] <mfbot> [[hcard-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20373 * AndyMabbett * (+19) rfc2119-intro
  4. [00:07:54] <mfbot> [[adr-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20374 * AndyMabbett * (+19) rfc2119-intro
  5. [00:08:50] <mfbot> [[hreview-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20375 * AndyMabbett * (+14) rfc2119-intro
  6. [00:09:37] <mfbot> [[hatom-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20376 * AndyMabbett * (+19) rfc2119-intro
  7. [00:10:47] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20377 * AndyMabbett * (+19) rfc2119-intro
  8. [00:14:09] <mfbot> [[Template:rfc2119-intro]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:rfc2119-intro&diff=0&oldid=20378 * AndyMabbett * (+40) templates for W3C style guide formatting
  9. [00:16:30] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20379 * AndyMabbett * (+182) templates for W3C style guide formatting
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  11. [00:18:51] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20380 * AndyMabbett * (-90) templates for W3C style guide formatting
  12. [00:19:17] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20381 * AndyMabbett * (+60) Templates -
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  14. [00:20:08] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20382 * AndyMabbett * (+23) On this wiki - not-recommended
  15. [00:20:49] <mfbot> [[Template:not-recommended]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:not-recommended * AndyMabbett * (+139)
  16. [00:23:35] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20383 * AndyMabbett * (-2) tempalte
  17. [00:26:21] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=20384 * AndyMabbett * (+7) "can" -> "may" (RFC 2119)
  18. [00:27:22] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=20385 * AndyMabbett * (+12) Human vs. Machine readable - RFC 2119 templates
  19. [00:29:38] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=20386 * AndyMabbett * (+18) Property Exceptions - RFC 2119 templates
  20. [00:30:49] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=20387 * AndyMabbett * (+11) Organization Contact Info - RFC 2119 templates
  21. [00:31:30] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=20388 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Implied "organization-name" Optimization - RFC 2119 templates
  22. [00:33:26] <mfbot> [[mediawiki-customization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mediawiki-customization&diff=0&oldid=20389 * AndyMabbett * (+49) mediawiki-mark-up-issues
  23. [00:34:37] <mfbot> [[existing-classes]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=existing-classes&diff=0&oldid=20390 * Smk * (-3530) Reverted changes made by spammer
  24. [00:34:48] <mfbot> [[mediawiki-customization]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mediawiki-customization&diff=0&oldid=20391 * AndyMabbett * (-16) fmt
  25. [00:35:29] <mfbot> [[mediawiki-mark-up-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mediawiki-mark-up-issues&diff=0&oldid=20392 * AndyMabbett * (+1) /
  26. [00:36:31] <mfbot> [[User talk:Smk]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Smk * AndyMabbett * (+73) Welcome!
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  29. [00:39:16] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  30. [00:41:02] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20393 * AndyMabbett * (-10) On this wiki - expose URL
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  40. [01:07:11] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  41. [01:09:29] <mfbot> [[RyanKing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=RyanKing&diff=0&oldid=20394 * Mt1Omi * (+13510)
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  43. [01:10:36] <mfbot> [[hreview-creator-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-creator-feedback&diff=0&oldid=20395 * Tantek * (-14801) Reverted edit of QxtHae, changed back to last version by RyanKing
  44. [01:11:12] <mfbot> [[RyanKing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=RyanKing&diff=0&oldid=20396 * Tantek * (-13510) Reverted edit of Mt1Omi, changed back to last version by RyanKing
  45. [01:11:48] <mfbot> [[Template:rfc2119-intro]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:rfc2119-intro&diff=0&oldid=20397 * Tantek * (+1)
  46. [01:12:34] <mfbot> [[RFC 2119]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/RFC_2119 * Tantek * (+22)
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  48. [01:17:16] <mfbot> [[Template:rfc2119-intro]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:rfc2119-intro&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+246) Template:rfc2119-intro moved to Template:rfc-2119-intro
  49. [01:18:07] <mfbot> [[hatom-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20398 * Tantek * (+1)
  50. [01:20:48] <mfbot> [[adr-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20399 * Tantek * (+1)
  51. [01:22:29] <mfbot> [[hreview-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20400 * Tantek * (+1)
  52. [01:23:00] <mfbot> [[hcard-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20401 * Tantek * (+1)
  53. [01:23:21] <mfbot> [[geo-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=20402 * Tantek * (+1)
  54. [01:24:52] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=20403 * Tantek * (+15) Normative References -
  55. [01:32:19] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20404 * Tantek * (+68) restored synthetic h1 heading to eliminate unnecessary TOC level, simplified headings
  56. [01:39:50] <mfbot> [[Template:may]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:may&diff=0&oldid=20405 * Tantek * (+16) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  57. [01:40:46] <mfbot> [[Template:should]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:should&diff=0&oldid=20406 * Tantek * (+16) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  58. [01:42:02] <mfbot> [[Template:must-not]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:must-not&diff=0&oldid=20407 * Tantek * (+20) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  59. [01:43:23] <mfbot> [[Template:required]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:required&diff=0&oldid=20408 * Tantek * (+16) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  60. [01:44:29] <mfbot> [[Template:must]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:must&diff=0&oldid=20409 * Tantek * (+4)
  61. [01:47:40] <mfbot> [[Template:shall]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:shall&diff=0&oldid=20410 * Tantek * (+16) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  62. [01:49:47] <mfbot> [[rfc-2119]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rfc-2119&diff=0&oldid=20411 * Tantek * (+7) fixed links that mention RFC 2119 in context to not autolink
  63. [01:51:03] <mfbot> [[Template:should-not]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:should-not&diff=0&oldid=20412 * Tantek * (+20) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  64. [01:51:24] <mfbot> [[Template:recommended]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:recommended&diff=0&oldid=20413 * Tantek * (+16) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  65. [01:52:15] <mfbot> [[Template:shall-not]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:shall-not&diff=0&oldid=20414 * Tantek * (+20) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  66. [01:52:51] <mfbot> [[Template:optional]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:optional&diff=0&oldid=20415 * Tantek * (+16) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  67. [01:54:12] <mfbot> [[Template:not-recommended]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:not-recommended&diff=0&oldid=20416 * Tantek * (+20) replace - with numeric entity for a space
  68. [02:02:13] <mfbot> [[Talk:multilingual-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:multilingual-examples * PwuEcf * (+13892)
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  70. [02:05:04] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  71. [02:05:34] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=20417 * Tantek * (+375) add request to update CSS to enable simplification of our RFC 2119 templates
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  79. [02:53:40] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  81. [03:48:29] <mfbot> [[Talk:multilingual-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:multilingual-examples&diff=0&oldid=20418 * ChristopheDucamp * (-13892) delete spam from PwuEcf
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  84. [03:54:39] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  90. [04:23:29] <mfbot> [[Talk:icalendar-implementations]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:icalendar-implementations * UfkIra * (+13812)
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  101. [05:46:01] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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  106. [06:28:47] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather
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  109. [06:41:17] <mfbot> [[Talk:rest/urls]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rest/urls * Bo8R0s * (+14986)
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  125. [08:49:12] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  138. [09:09:35] <mfbot> [[User:Dave Cardwell]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Dave_Cardwell&diff=0&oldid=20423 * Brian * (-14663) Reverted edit of To1Cbh, changed back to last version by Brian
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  140. [09:09:52] <mfbot> [[product-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=product-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=20425 * Brian * (-5496) Reverted edit of TvkQsm, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  221. [14:15:01] <mkaply> Isn't this a really bad example of value excerpting?
  222. [14:15:03] <mkaply> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Value_excerpting
  223. [14:15:49] <mkaply> the hcard spec doesn't seem to cover <fn><value>Mike </value><value>Kaply</value>
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  233. [14:39:33] <lukeinjax> When using the geo property of hcard for a business, I've read that it's best to wrap the name of the business with <abbr class="geo" title="123456;-123456"></abbr>, but in my case, the business name is inside an <h1> element. Wrapping an <h1> in an <abbr> is invalid xhtml strict, and putting the <abbr class="geo"></abbr> inside of the <h1> makes the tooltip show the geo info (which I don't want), so what's the best thing to do in this case?
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  236. [14:46:15] <lukeinjax> When using the geo property of hcard for a business, I've read that it's best to wrap the name of the business with <abbr class="geo" title="123456;-123456"></abbr>, but in my case, the business name is inside an <h1> element. Wrapping an <h1> in an <abbr> is invalid xhtml strict, and putting the <abbr class="geo"></abbr> inside of the <h1> makes the tooltip show the geo info (which I don't want), so what's the best thing to do in this case?
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  242. [14:58:47] <mkaply> lukeinjax: Where did you read that?
  243. [14:59:13] <mkaply> It would be nice if the geo had some text content that indicated where it is. But the geo spec doesn't require it
  244. [14:59:28] <mkaply> Parsers like Operator at least look at the parent hcard to determine how to name the geo
  245. [15:00:49] <lukeinjax> so should i just put the abbr as an empty tag with the title property set to the geo info?
  246. [15:01:09] <lukeinjax> i can't remember where i read it
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  254. [15:04:59] <mkaply> lukeinjax: Or use display: none (which wikipedia does) - although microformats folk hate that
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  260. [15:06:33] <lukeinjax> ok. thanks mkaply
  261. [15:06:43] <mkaply> no prob
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  284. [16:01:45] <lukeinjax> has anyone had any success getting outlook to pull in the phone number from an hcard?
  285. [16:09:02] <mkaply> lukeinjax: what are you using to export?
  286. [16:09:39] <lukeinjax> either tails or operator. doesn't seem to work in either. i'm guess it has something to do with my markup, but i can't figure out what it is...
  287. [16:10:06] <mkaply> lukeinjax: kind of but not really. Basically there is a bug in Outlook that telephone numbers without TYPEs get lost.
  288. [16:10:13] <lukeinjax> <span class="tel">
  289. [16:10:13] <lukeinjax> <span class="type" title="voice">(212) 935-2080</span>
  290. [16:10:13] <lukeinjax> </span>
  291. [16:10:33] <mkaply> ah. That's not quite right
  292. [16:10:42] <mkaply> It would need to be something like this:
  293. [16:11:14] <mkaply> <span class="tel"><span class="type">voice</span><span class="value">555-1212</span></span>
  294. [16:11:21] <mkaply> title is only used in the abbr case
  295. [16:11:29] <mkaply> so you could also do
  296. [16:12:01] <mkaply> <abbr class="type" title="voice">phone number</span>
  297. [16:12:03] <mkaply> I think.
  298. [16:12:05] <mkaply> I would have to test that
  299. [16:12:48] <lukeinjax> ahh. so if i change my inner span to an abbr, then it may work?
  300. [16:13:16] <mkaply> I think so
  301. [16:13:46] <lukeinjax> how do i know when i can use a span and when i have to use an abbr? the specs seem to be somewhat vague.
  302. [16:14:41] <mkaply> basically abbr is used in case where you want what the parser sees to be different than what the user sees
  303. [16:14:57] <mkaply> So for instance if you wanted to display AZ but have the parser see Arizona
  304. [16:15:10] <mkaply> Microformats parser never read title= in the span case
  305. [16:15:26] <mkaply> they only read title= in the abbr case and title= is substituted for the content inside the abbr
  306. [16:15:28] <mkaply> Does that make sense?
  307. [16:17:07] <lukeinjax> in my case, i want the parser to see the phone number and i want it to print, so shouldn't a span work?
  308. [16:17:31] <mkaply> a span will work fine. The problem is you need the parser to see "voice" for class="type" and it won't see that in a span
  309. [16:17:38] <mkaply> because title= isn't read for spans
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  311. [16:17:52] <lukeinjax> ahh. just saw that in the previous line. sorry..
  312. [16:18:03] <lukeinjax> that makes sense
  313. [16:18:21] <mkaply> No problem. That's what we are here for.
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  388. [19:37:59] <lukeinjax> mkaply: i tried using abbr for the type of phone, but it's still not working to export to outlook. any ideas? here's my markup:
  389. [19:38:01] <lukeinjax> <span class="tel">
  390. [19:38:01] <lukeinjax> <abbr class="type" title="voice"/>
  391. [19:38:01] <lukeinjax> <span class="value">(212) 935-2080</span>
  392. [19:38:01] <lukeinjax> </span>
  393. [19:39:29] <mkaply> hmm. Maybe it doesn't like voice?
  394. [19:39:36] <mkaply> Try work just for fun and see what that does
  395. [19:39:41] <mkaply> The markup is correct
  396. [19:39:44] <lukeinjax> ok
  397. [19:47:24] <lukeinjax> mkaply: you were right. outlook doesn't like "voice". "work" works fine. thanks a bunch
  398. [19:47:42] <mkaply> I guess I need to fix that in my code as well :)
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  423. [22:27:02] <DanC_lap> e.g. "sometimes my clients don't want me to change the HTML markup; how can I get them to make changes at that level?"
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