IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-09-05

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  1. [00:36:21] <mfbot> [[Talk:anti-design-patterns]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:anti-design-patterns * VmjDos * (+13855)
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  6. [01:38:18] <mfbot> [[data-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=data-portability&diff=0&oldid=21098 * Tantek * (+2540) added sections, reference to digitalconsumer.org, greatly expanded previous work points explicitly, noted loss of podcast as ironic/sad meta-point
  7. [01:38:55] <mfbot> [[data-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=data-portability&diff=0&oldid=21099 * Tantek * (+27)
  8. [01:41:16] <mfbot> [[data-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=data-portability&diff=0&oldid=21100 * Tantek * (+43) reword, clarify
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  14. [02:20:08] <mfbot> [[data-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=data-portability&diff=0&oldid=21101 * Tantek * (+139) digitalconsumer.org clearly stated rights to time-shift, space-shift, and backup
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  19. [03:01:43] <mfbot> [[Talk:hreview-issues]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hreview-issues * RyiSwd * (+14205)
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  21. [03:22:42] <mfbot> [[Talk:Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=21102 * Zz8H6u * (+14096)
  22. [03:23:14] <mfbot> [[Talk:メイン]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:%E3%83%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3 * Sh4Che * (+13728)
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  25. [04:01:11] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=21103 * Tantek * (+604) added Django-PSN, sections for open source vs. user interfaces
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  33. [04:05:58] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  37. [04:31:04] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather
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  44. [05:21:12] <DanielChen> is there anybody here?
  45. [05:24:51] <hober> yup
  46. [05:26:09] <DanielChen> where r u from?
  47. [05:27:42] <DanielChen> i am gonna discuss an new idea related on microformats, but few people here...
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  53. [05:45:46] <hober> What's your new idea?
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  55. [05:47:29] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
  56. [05:49:24] <DanielChen> i think we can create an open formats, that means, users can define the microformats themself.
  57. [05:49:34] <DanielChen> it's something like open models
  58. [05:49:54] <DanielChen> can u understand?
  59. [05:51:37] <DanielChen> it's a little like wikipedia
  60. [05:51:46] <DanielChen> hober, r u there
  61. [05:51:47] <hober> Are you familiar with XMDP?
  62. [05:52:03] <hober> Users can already define profiles for semantic HTML themselves.
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  64. [05:52:37] <hober> In order for a specific use of semantic HTML to be a microformat, it has to be a product of the microformats community and process.
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  66. [05:53:06] <DanielChen> i see.
  67. [05:53:26] <DanielChen> i will check XMDP.
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  70. [05:54:45] <DanielChen> user can what's a bike in wikipedia, but computer cannot understand.
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  73. [05:55:16] <DanielChen> i use openmodel to define a bike, a bike has many attributes and actions
  74. [05:56:10] <DanielChen> i think there are some difference with the current microformats, but i cannot point it...
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  76. [06:12:01] <KevinMarks> yes, DanielChen, that is different
  77. [06:12:26] <KevinMarks> you can of course use POSH to markup your bike
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  79. [06:14:36] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  80. [06:58:51] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21104 * Adactio * (+109) Outline -
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  83. [07:13:19] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  84. [07:19:45] <mfbot> [[Talk:hcard-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcard-examples-fr * Yt5Plo * (+14673)
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  87. [07:34:19] <jibot> gsnedders is a mad teenager from Scotland who occasionally blogs at <http://geoffers.uni.cc/>
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  92. [07:58:21] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  94. [08:00:58] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  95. [08:02:41] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=21105 * Tantek * (-1) workshop in progress
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  104. [08:54:05] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  110. [09:01:02] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  113. [09:03:14] <adactio> greetings from `d.Construct\
  114. [09:05:01] <hober> yay!
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  117. [09:10:37] <khimscho> hello everyone!
  118. [09:12:55] <briansuda> hello
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  120. [09:14:47] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  123. [09:35:43] <khimscho> @microformats workshop by Tantek & Adactio in brighton
  124. [09:36:37] <briansuda> feel free to drop questions in here for the speakers?
  125. [09:36:43] <briansuda> we can also drop links in here as well
  126. [09:36:50] <khimscho> cool
  127. [09:36:56] <mfbot> [[data-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=data-portability&diff=0&oldid=21107 * AndyMabbett * (+36) different applications; copy edits
  128. [09:41:07] <mfbot> [[xfn-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-faq&diff=0&oldid=21108 * AndyMabbett * (+83) styles for upper case to improve accessibility
  129. [09:41:44] <briansuda> http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/S7ipIHsOtha6i3-ZJvKJH2-
  130. [09:42:29] <adactio> cool XFN visualisation
  131. [09:43:19] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21109 * Brian * (+99) Related Articles/Blogs -
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  133. [09:45:20] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21110 * Brian * (+73) added URL discussed sections
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  135. [09:46:02] <briansuda> There is also a wiki page, http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop which we are adding links, photos, etc. Feel free to read and update the page as well
  136. [09:46:16] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21111 * AndyMabbett * (+392) use "text-transform:uppercase"; RFC2119 templates
  137. [09:46:47] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21112 * AndyMabbett * (+0) ack!
  138. [09:47:08] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21113 * Brian * (+37) Session Comments and Q&A -
  139. [09:48:19] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21114 * Brian * (+79) URLs discussed -
  140. [09:49:15] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21115 * Brian * (+78) URLs discussed -
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  143. [09:54:03] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  145. [09:55:11] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21116 * Brian * (+145) Session Comments and Q&A -
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  147. [10:03:07] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21117 * Brian * (+132) Session Comments and Q&A -
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  149. [10:08:52] <khimscho> witnessing a kenobian discussion (note to self, "Kenobian discussion !?!")
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  153. [10:33:44] <khimscho> http://www.sportpaleis.be/nl/kalender/chronologisch
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  156. [10:37:13] <khimscho> hcalendar example
  157. [10:37:15] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21118 * Brian * (+18) How to Play -
  158. [10:40:51] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21119 * Brian * (+61) URLs discussed -
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  161. [11:11:01] <briansuda> http://leftlogic.com/lounge/articles/microformats_bookmarklet/
  162. [11:11:18] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21120 * Brian * (+89) URLs discussed -
  163. [11:13:39] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21121 * Brian * (+65) URLs discussed -
  164. [11:20:54] <khimscho> another Kenobian discussion between Tantek and Adactio!
  165. [11:22:28] <khimscho> cool stuff, the mf-tool from leftlogic - maybe ClearLEFT could merge with them, forming Clearleftlogic... anxious to meet those other Brightonians on friday
  166. [11:25:16] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21122 * Brian * (+53) URLs discussed -
  167. [11:25:47] <khimscho> YYYY-MM-DDTHH:II:SS !!
  168. [11:25:54] <briansuda> http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-datetime
  169. [11:26:20] <khimscho> and you're right!
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  184. [12:05:51] <khimscho> wagamama is my choice!
  185. [12:06:14] <khimscho> anyone else?
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  203. [12:54:54] <ajaswa> Hi, I'm giving a a talk about uf at work today and i'm kinda stuck on a question i've posed to myself
  204. [12:55:30] <ajaswa> the question is: what does all this (microformats) mean?
  205. [12:56:16] <ajaswa> i know what it means to me but what does it mean right now to the rest of the world?
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  213. [13:11:15] <tantek> ajaswa - it means a lot, from immediate practical uses, to achieving larger goals like data-portability
  214. [13:11:43] <ajaswa> hrmm
  215. [13:12:18] <tantek> it's about making the web both more useful, and easier to use
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  225. [13:15:36] <ajaswa> ok so if i had to explain why we should use uf to say a non-tech person. what could i really say? since most of the tools out there that make use of uf aren't really for non-tech people
  226. [13:16:10] <ajaswa> its all great to say about what will come
  227. [13:16:45] <ajaswa> but what is NOW to say my mom who can barely use IM and email
  228. [13:16:57] <ajaswa> or is there anything?
  229. [13:18:24] <khimscho> subscribe to her sons calendar
  230. [13:18:24] <briansuda> there was a discussion about this from a recent BarCamp
  231. [13:18:32] <ajaswa> yea
  232. [13:18:36] <ajaswa> i read it all
  233. [13:19:07] <tantek> ajaswa, do the non-tech people you are thinking of use Address Books or Calendar Programs?
  234. [13:19:17] <ajaswa> outlook
  235. [13:19:30] <tantek> or ever look up restaurants on the web, like in Google Maps or Yahoo Local?
  236. [13:19:30] <briansuda> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-August/010459.html
  237. [13:19:30] <ajaswa> etc..
  238. [13:20:33] <ajaswa> but most of this requires a toolbar or plugin for FF...
  239. [13:21:09] <khimscho> there are linked parsers - that's the way i get my 'profit' from microformats!
  240. [13:21:27] <tantek> ajaswa, the simplest example there is making it trivial for people to add contact info for companies etc. that they find on the web into their address book, e.g. scroll down to the bottom of http://technorati.com/about/contact.html and click the Add to Address Book button
  241. [13:21:52] <khimscho> excellent, T
  242. [13:22:03] <briansuda> http://kitchen.technorati.com/ collects microformats, it is just a webpage, so you can benefit from others work, no plug-ins needed
  243. [13:24:30] <ajaswa> besides x2v and the technorati stuff what else is there that doesn't require use of a plugin?
  244. [13:27:35] <ajaswa> and should my company care about all this (I'm talking about $$$)?
  245. [13:28:22] <ajaswa> sadly I have to make justifcations for just about everything =(
  246. [13:30:22] <briansuda> hKit is a PHP implementation to extract the data
  247. [13:31:25] <briansuda> the company should care about this because it saves money in NOT having to support 30 different formats
  248. [13:31:37] <ajaswa> heh
  249. [13:32:17] <ajaswa> of about 70 develpoers i'm 1 of about 4 that cares about semantics
  250. [13:34:58] <ajaswa> Thanks guys I think I enough fodder to finish my presentation (and to give it)
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  377. [20:31:07] <mkaply> nice abuse of reltag on amazon
  378. [20:31:08] <mkaply> <A title="1 customer tagged this product 'cruise'." rel="tag" href="/tag/cruise/ref=tag_dpp_cust_itdp_t/102-4836552-7352937">cruise</A>
  379. [20:31:26] <mkaply> I give up. Everyone uses the content of tag as "the tag"
  380. [20:31:34] * mkaply seriously considers makeing that an option in Operator
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  394. [21:30:06] <kingryan> mkaply: not everyone
  395. [21:30:10] <kingryan> lots of people get it right, too
  396. [21:30:40] <mkaply> kingryan: but when they get it right, they still use text that works in the tag. Are there any real world examples of someone actually using something different for the tag and the text of the link?
  397. [21:30:46] <mkaply> I see lots of theoretical examples
  398. [21:31:06] <kingryan> to be honest, I don't think anyone's studied it closely
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  414. [23:39:22] <bewest> http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/cheat-sheets/microformats-cheat-sheet/
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