IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-09-10

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  1. [00:09:14] <mfbot> [[profile-uri-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile-uri-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=21314 * TomMorris * (+268) added my own site
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  3. [00:13:10] <IamEthos> so... microformats are HTML or XHTML templates for common types of information?
  4. [00:31:41] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/what-are-microformats
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  6. [00:40:33] <IamEthos> once XHTML starts to actually work like it's supposed to, doesn't that make Microformats obsolete?
  7. [00:41:43] <IamEthos> I mean, XML can be truly semantic. A few well-supported, simple, and popular schemas could easily replace exactly what microformats are designed for, it seems.
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  9. [00:54:21] <mfbot> [[User:PembertonA]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:PembertonA * PembertonA * (+1365)
  10. [00:55:33] <pembertona> "Instead of throwing away what works today, microformats intend to solve simpler problems first by adapting to current behaviors and usage patterns"
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  12. [00:57:20] <IamEthos> pembertona, is that a response to my comment?
  13. [00:57:43] <IamEthos> restarting x-chat, brb
  14. [00:57:47] <pembertona> iamethos, yes
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  17. [00:58:39] <IamEthos> pembertona, back
  18. [01:01:13] <mfbot> [[User:PembertonA]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:PembertonA&diff=0&oldid=21315 * PembertonA * (-542)
  19. [01:01:40] <IamEthos> pembertona, well, I get that using other namespaces inside of XHTML isn't currently supported, and there is some need for this now sort of work now, but couldn't it possibly prevent more semantically accurate XML stanards from taking hold and working well in web browsers once that feature is available?
  20. [01:06:39] <pembertona> iamethos - Well, I don't feel fully qualified to answer the questions you have, but I'd say - one of the major goals of MicroFormats is to work with the technologies as they are today - to gain traction and promote adoption. In fact, it seems like - using MicroFormats today could bridge the gap between XHTML as it is today, and is it could be in the future. In other words, MicroFormats could lead the the "popular schemas" y
  21. [01:08:51] <pembertona> *lead to
  22. [01:12:11] <pembertona> There are actually similar concepts in the Java world. JSR168 (java specification request number 168) describes the java portlet API. There are specific class names and structures defined in this spec, that IMHO aren't nearly as accessible, reusable, or well-thought-out as those from the MicroFormats community. However, both groups have data-portability as a goal.
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  30. [03:59:18] <mfbot> [[semantic-xhtml]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=21316 * Tantek * (+1050) complete semantic elements list, semantically clustered list
  31. [04:00:29] <mfbot> [[semantic-xhtml]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=21317 * Tantek * (-5)
  32. [04:03:10] <mfbot> [[semantic-xhtml]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=21318 * Tantek * (+139) restore semantic attributes section
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  37. [04:29:12] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=21319 * Tomasino * (+88) Added user Aloneone
  38. [04:29:22] <aloneone> there we go
  39. [04:40:05] <aloneone> hrm... nobody up?
  40. [04:43:58] <aloneone> maybe tomorrow. night all!
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  59. [07:01:32] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern-alternatives]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern-alternatives&diff=0&oldid=21320 * AndyMabbett * (+13) Results - expand acronym
  60. [07:04:53] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern-alternatives]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern-alternatives&diff=0&oldid=21321 * AndyMabbett * (+65) Valid HTML4 - title-trigger
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  90. [11:50:16] <mfbot> [[User talk:Tomasino]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Tomasino * AndyMabbett * (+73) Welcome!
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  102. [13:11:55] <mfbot> [[openid-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=openid-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21324 * TomMorris * (+483) openid plus hcard
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  116. [14:29:54] <mfbot> [[bookmarklets-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=bookmarklets-fr&diff=0&oldid=21325 * DrjKvg * (+14433)
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  118. [14:31:08] <ichigo> i also posted to the web channel though i guess it is more likely that somebody in here has an answer: is there something similar to the <link rel="alternate" tags for autodiscovery of newsfeeds that i can use to trigger the browser to see that there is an ical feed available?
  119. [14:31:51] <ichigo> i tried type="text/calendar" as it is the official mime type for ical (source wikipedia)
  120. [14:37:35] <mfbot> [[Talk:hlisting-proposal-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hlisting-proposal-fr * We0Uay * (+9351)
  121. [14:38:50] <ichigo> seems like unfortunately there is no browser support for ical autodiscovery yet :) so ill go the route of just adding an icon somewhere in the website for the mean time
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  137. [15:27:23] <mfbot> [[User talk:AndyMabbett]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:AndyMabbett&diff=0&oldid=21330 * CarlaHufstedler * (+157) Thank you!
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  156. [17:02:06] <tantek> hey julianstahnke are you around this evening?
  157. [17:02:13] <julianstahnke> yup.
  158. [17:02:22] <julianstahnke> hello
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  160. [17:03:03] <tantek> julianstahnke - we could do a last minute dinner if you are available - I'm in London and planning on coming to Islington area.
  161. [17:03:40] <tantek> is anybody else here in #microformats in the London area?
  162. [17:03:40] <julianstahnke> hm... doesn't sound too bad
  163. [17:04:17] <tantek> how about that same Indian restaurant or any other suggestions you might have
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  165. [17:04:23] <tantek> that's pretty close to your offices right?
  166. [17:04:35] <jwheare> ello
  167. [17:04:36] <julianstahnke> yup, I think it is
  168. [17:05:09] <jwheare> how long are you in town tantek?
  169. [17:05:21] <tantek> until 9/14
  170. [17:05:24] <tantek> heh
  171. [17:05:29] <tantek> until 2007-09-14
  172. [17:05:41] <julianstahnke> and what brings you here?
  173. [17:06:13] <tantek> post Brighton (d.Construct, BarCampBrighton) holiday
  174. [17:06:29] <tantek> hello jwheare, I don't have an expansion for your alias
  175. [17:06:40] <jwheare> i sit next to julian :)
  176. [17:07:01] <jwheare> james, we had dinner last time after @media
  177. [17:07:36] <tantek> ah excellent
  178. [17:09:48] <jwheare> what was your verdict on dconstruct?
  179. [17:09:56] <tantek> james, you have the longer hair right?
  180. [17:10:10] <tantek> had a great time - wonderful presentations and hallway talks - wish i had had more of it
  181. [17:10:22] <tantek> the microformats workshop on Wednesday before the conference went really well
  182. [17:10:25] <jwheare> yup :)
  183. [17:12:18] <tantek> pass the message onto matthew and hannah too
  184. [17:12:42] <jwheare> will do, so staying in islington or is that just a convenient spot?
  185. [17:13:35] <tantek> it's a convenient spot. we're going down there momentarily to walk around and just check it out in general (shops etc.). we're in Zone 3 northeast area so it's not far to Islington.
  186. [17:14:00] <jwheare> purple shirt: http://flickr.com/photos/tantek/794691535/in/datetaken/
  187. [17:14:23] <tantek> yes that's what i figured :)
  188. [17:15:31] <tantek> what was the name/address of that Indian restaurant?
  189. [17:15:36] <jwheare> who's we? you staying with a local?
  190. [17:15:42] <jwheare> masala zone i think
  191. [17:16:39] <jwheare> http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/london/view/82334/Masala_Zone_Islington
  192. [17:17:28] <tantek> ok yeah i thought it was on the same street as the @media venue and hotel
  193. [17:17:38] <jwheare> you should come along to the last.fm party at the spitz...
  194. [17:18:37] <jwheare> tomorrow night: http://www.last.fm/event/supportsthespitz
  195. [17:19:15] <tantek> Ooh I think Jeremy Keith told me about that.
  196. [17:20:10] <jwheare> in that case you have no excuse!
  197. [17:20:21] <jwheare> what time are you thinking for dinner?
  198. [17:20:37] * tommorris is in the London area
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  200. [17:21:46] <jwheare> Hannah and Matt are up for it, as long as it doesn't go on too late/involve too many drinks.
  201. [17:22:04] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "faq-frhttp:/bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/Specification": spam
  202. [17:23:09] <tantek> how about 8:30pm for dinner? that's not too late is it? plus we have to catch the tube back by 11:30pmish.
  203. [17:23:26] <tantek> tommorris - you should come too!
  204. [17:23:44] <tommorris> Islington for 8.30? I'd be late at this rate.
  205. [17:23:44] <tantek> we can a wee little microformats fans/devs dinner
  206. [17:24:17] <tommorris> Actually, could make it
  207. [17:25:21] <jwheare> 8:30 sounds fine
  208. [17:25:22] <tantek> julianstahnke - lots of developments in social network portability being enabled (and supported) by microformats since we last spoke - we should definitely catch up on that tonight.
  209. [17:25:24] <tantek> cool
  210. [17:25:28] <julianstahnke> okay
  211. [17:25:44] <tommorris> I have a Python script running at the moment aggregating all my XFN links from my blog. It's taking it's time though...
  212. [17:25:56] <julianstahnke> me and david singleton have thought some more about it but didn't actually do a lot yet, I have to confess :(
  213. [17:26:24] <julianstahnke> and we've been reading up on hAudio :D
  214. [17:26:33] <tantek> would appreciate your opinion on that too!
  215. [17:27:11] <tantek> btw i'm tantekc on aim if any of you are on that
  216. [17:30:47] <tantek> julianstahnke did you just ping me via icq?
  217. [17:30:51] <julianstahnke> yup
  218. [17:32:13] <tantek> ok good. identity confirmed ;)
  219. [17:35:37] <tantek> also, I'm http://twitter.com/t/ - if you add me hopefully I'll see that you added me and can add you back. I can direct message from my blackberry.
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  221. [17:35:46] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  223. [17:36:34] <tantek> hey Frances a few of us are getting together for a wee informal dinner tonight in Islington
  224. [17:37:04] <Phae> oh really? microfomat peeps, I assume you mean?
  225. [17:37:10] <tantek> yes!
  226. [17:37:13] <tantek> lastfm folks
  227. [17:37:15] <tantek> tommorriss
  228. [17:37:28] <tantek> and maybe a few others
  229. [17:37:29] <Phae> ohhh, lastfm types. i wonder if dave is going.
  230. [17:37:45] <Phae> do you know where?
  231. [17:38:56] <tantek> 20:30 Masala Zone Islington
  232. [17:40:24] <Phae> ok.
  233. [17:40:25] <tantek> ok i'm off to go get ready
  234. [17:40:57] <Phae> alright. i'll see you later on then.
  235. [17:41:09] <tantek> Phae see you at dinner maybe?
  236. [17:41:14] <Phae> sure :)
  237. [17:41:52] <tantek> http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/london/view/82334/Masala_Zone_Islington
  238. [17:42:06] <Phae> yeah, i found it. up the road from angel
  239. [17:42:11] <Phae> not far from @media this year
  240. [17:43:12] <tantek> pass the word onto other microformatters
  241. [17:43:26] <tantek> could someone add it to upcoming and microformats.org/wiki/events ?
  242. [17:43:36] <tantek> and post the URLs here?
  243. [17:43:40] <tantek> time for me to go get ready
  244. [17:43:42] <tantek> thanks much!
  245. [17:43:57] <tommorris> Restaurant page does not compute... no hCard. ;)
  246. [17:44:07] <jwheare> see ya later
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  251. [17:46:50] <julianstahnke> see you
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  254. [17:49:20] <jibot> jwheare is James Wheare and can be found online at http://james.wheare.org
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  264. [18:23:35] <tantek> ok see you London folks at Masala Zone, 8:30pm BST.
  265. [18:23:41] <julianstahnke> see you!
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  295. [21:24:34] <kingryan> pembertona: I am now
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