IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-09-12

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  12. [01:56:14] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  13. [02:10:08] <pembertona> tantek - I saw the 'vcard to hcard' converter on the to-do page in the wiki, so I gave it a whack: http://www.andypemberton.com/hcardconvert/
  14. [02:11:19] <pembertona> It needs some polish, but it's a start
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  16. [02:52:57] <mfbot> [[video-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21357 * ManuSporny * (+855) Video Sharing Communitites -
  17. [03:00:38] <mfbot> [[video-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21358 * ManuSporny * (+5164) Added Individual publishing of video examples
  18. [03:03:39] <mfbot> [[video-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21359 * ManuSporny * (+136) Properties -
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  22. [03:04:44] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  24. [03:09:46] <mfbot> [[video-info-examples-vsc-ufa]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples-vsc-ufa&diff=0&oldid=21361 * ManuSporny * (+426) Updated with new version of video services UFA
  25. [03:10:32] <mfbot> [[video-info-examples-ivp-ufa]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/video-info-examples-ivp-ufa * ManuSporny * (+4014) Added Individual publishing of video UFA file
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  28. [03:38:25] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=21362 * RajeshD * (-270) Examples with some problems - - Removed Piermont Web Design
  29. [03:42:21] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=21363 * RajeshD * (+87) Examples To Act On - - Added "Piermont Web Design" again to the list after fixing problem with street-address
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  31. [03:47:21] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  35. [05:06:05] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  51. [08:02:56] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  57. [08:42:43] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  63. [09:06:01] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  68. [09:13:04] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather
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  77. [09:53:00] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21364 * DuncanCragg * (+358) during -
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  79. [09:57:05] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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  83. [10:45:14] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=21365 * DavidJanes * (+16) Updated to better indicate defaulting rules
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  86. [10:51:06] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  88. [11:04:29] <mfbot> [[parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=parsing&diff=0&oldid=21366 * Brian * (+3049) added the rest of the HTML elements
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  93. [11:19:41] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  96. [11:25:37] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  98. [11:28:21] <jibot> blakestar is Feeling mashed up after BarCamp and MashPit Dallas
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  102. [11:37:29] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
  103. [12:18:51] <illustir> a friend just asked me what does 'agent' do: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-cheatsheet
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  114. [12:55:21] <tantek> greetings
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  119. [13:53:30] <mfbot> [[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=21368 * ThomShannon * (+162)
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  133. [15:10:52] <jibot> blakestar is Feeling mashed up after BarCamp and MashPit Dallas
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  139. [15:20:44] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  157. [16:09:18] <mfbot> [[User:ManuSporny]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ManuSporny&diff=0&oldid=21369 * ManuSporny * (+84) Essays About Microformats -
  158. [16:13:05] <mfbot> [[accepted-limitations-of-microformats]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/accepted-limitations-of-microformats * ManuSporny * (+6029) Created accepted-limitations-of-microformats page
  159. [16:19:07] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21370 * ManuSporny * (+357) Votes -
  160. [16:19:38] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21371 * ManuSporny * (+20) Contributors -
  161. [16:20:39] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21372 * ManuSporny * (+7) album-title Property -
  162. [16:22:00] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21373 * ManuSporny * (-38) Moving album-title from bottom to top of page
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  169. [16:41:02] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  171. [16:44:25] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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  176. [16:54:50] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21376 * ManuSporny * (+1259) album-title Property -
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  200. [19:36:33] <jaldhar> hello. I am building a website which is a directory of people in a social setting. I thought hCard enabling it might be a good idea.
  201. [19:36:45] <jaldhar> however I'm not sure it is the right fit.
  202. [19:37:22] <jaldhar> For instance how would I represent a members age? I see a bday class but not one for age
  203. [19:37:33] <jaldhar> also gender seems to be missing
  204. [19:38:15] <bewest> bday is insufficient?
  205. [19:39:09] <jaldhar> bewest: well I store the birthday in the database but I display the current age. Is bday still usable in that case?
  206. [19:41:02] <bewest> for what?
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  208. [19:41:15] <jibot> gsnedders is a mad teenager from Scotland who occasionally blogs at <http://geoffers.uni.cc/>
  209. [19:41:20] <bewest> bday is intended to mark up with suitably high fidelity someone's birth day
  210. [19:41:38] <bewest> I'm not sure why an application would choose to consume someone's age through an "age" property in html
  211. [19:41:46] <bewest> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-profiles
  212. [19:50:31] <bewest> absence of age from the spec doesn't prohibit publishing it, of course
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  214. [19:55:59] <jaldhar> bewest: I've been rummaging around the wiki and I think I am warping hCard into a use its not really meant for. I guess I really need a microformat for "profiles" i.e. this is this person at this moment in time.
  215. [19:56:44] <bewest> why?
  216. [19:57:41] <bewest> jaldhar: did you read http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-profiles ?
  217. [19:58:13] <jaldhar> well this is a list of people in a social group. They may volunteer for different things based on their particular abilities (or age or gender)
  218. [19:59:12] <jaldhar> bewest: I am reading through it. I didn't see exactly what I want but maybe I need to think this through some more
  219. [20:03:56] <jaldhar> rosebleed looks interesting.
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  222. [20:07:35] <mfbot> [[accepted-limitations-of-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accepted-limitations-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=21378 * Brian * (+382) NOTED that we should avoid theoretical issues
  223. [20:14:01] <jaldhar> ok I think I've got a handle on how people are using hCard for profiles even though none of them match what I want exactly.
  224. [20:14:37] <KevinMarks> very contrived examples there
  225. [20:14:37] <bewest> jaldhar: you might also get acquaited with POSH tehchniques to extend hcard for the properties you need: http://microformats.org/wiki/posh http://microformatique.com/?page_id=109
  226. [20:15:37] <jaldhar> bewest ok I'll do that. But hCard really ought to have a gender property. That's the only big omissision I see.
  227. [20:16:08] <hober> Why not do something like <abbr class="bday" title="1979-08-22">28 years old</abbr>?
  228. [20:17:58] <jaldhar> hober: bewest pointed me in that direction.
  229. [20:23:15] <KevinMarks> things I see missing from vcard are gender, source, IM status message, and key/value pairs for categories
  230. [20:25:02] <jaldhar> .oO(Did I write omissision?)
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  244. [21:04:38] <jibot> gsnedders is a mad teenager from Scotland who occasionally blogs at <http://geoffers.uni.cc/>
  245. [21:12:08] <mfbot> [[accepted-limitations-of-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accepted-limitations-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=21379 * Kevin Marks * (+4) Microformat Scoping Issue -
  246. [21:13:49] <bewest> KevinMarks: what is "source"?
  247. [21:21:00] <mfbot> [[accepted-limitations-of-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accepted-limitations-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=21380 * Kevin Marks * (-458) Microformat Namespacing Issue -
  248. [21:21:26] <KevinMarks> source in vcard is helpful to say where it came from ie to check for updates
  249. [21:24:17] <KevinMarks> most of the hcard to vcard transformers put a 'source' in the Notes
  250. [21:31:39] <bewest> ah
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  255. [22:03:29] <KevinMarks> there is an hcard conference next week
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  257. [22:04:20] <tantek> r u going?
  258. [22:04:36] <KevinMarks> probably not, though I might teleconference in
  259. [22:04:54] <KevinMarks> I wonder if I should send them the jcard idea
  260. [22:05:17] <tantek> how about writing it up on the wiki first?
  261. [22:05:29] <KevinMarks> sounds like a plan
  262. [22:05:51] <KevinMarks> does our wiki have the equivalent of NPOV tags ?
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  264. [22:06:44] <KevinMarks> I can see some of them being useful (or variants) [needs citations]
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  267. [22:09:10] <KevinMarks> [contains FUD]
  268. [22:10:22] <tantek> KevinMarks, just start, we'll figure it out
  269. [22:11:09] <KevinMarks> sorry that thought (NPOV tags) was related to this page (which I edited) http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accepted-limitations-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=21378
  270. [22:11:40] <tantek> no that page just needs some healthy iteration
  271. [22:12:01] <KevinMarks> thats what i was doing
  272. [22:12:19] <tantek> excellent
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  274. [22:13:33] <mfbot> [[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=21381 * EdwardOConnor * (+159) added josh's BarCam Samp Diego presentation
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  283. [22:30:11] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  284. [22:30:44] <kingryan> KevinMarks: the transformers don't put SOURCE in the notes, the desktop applications (ala iCal)
  285. [22:38:34] <KevinMarks> it does? oh
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  287. [22:41:51] <mfbot> [[vote-links]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=21382 * Kevin Marks * (-4) Copyright -
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  294. [23:30:34] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  296. [23:41:21] <KevinMarks> still in London, t?
  297. [23:55:32] <mfbot> [[process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=21383 * Tantek * (+39)
  298. [23:56:21] <tantek> hi KevinMarks
  299. [23:56:22] <tantek> yes
  300. [23:57:33] <mfbot> [[templates]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=templates&diff=0&oldid=21384 * Tantek * (+19)

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