IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-09-12
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
- [02:10:08] <pembertona>
tantek - I saw the 'vcard to hcard' converter on the to-do page in the wiki, so I gave it a whack: http://www.andypemberton.com/hcardconvert/
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It needs some polish, but it's a start
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[[video-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21357 * ManuSporny * (+855) Video Sharing Communitites -
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[[video-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21358 * ManuSporny * (+5164) Added Individual publishing of video examples
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[[video-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21359 * ManuSporny * (+136) Properties -
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[[video-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21360 * ManuSporny * (+136) Properties -
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kingryan is ryan king
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[[video-info-examples-vsc-ufa]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples-vsc-ufa&diff=0&oldid=21361 * ManuSporny * (+426) Updated with new version of video services UFA
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[[video-info-examples-ivp-ufa]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/video-info-examples-ivp-ufa * ManuSporny * (+4014) Added Individual publishing of video UFA file
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=21362 * RajeshD * (-270) Examples with some problems - - Removed Piermont Web Design
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=21363 * RajeshD * (+87) Examples To Act On - - Added "Piermont Web Design" again to the list after fixing problem with street-address
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather
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[[events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-05-dconstruct-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=21364 * DuncanCragg * (+358) during -
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=21365 * DavidJanes * (+16) Updated to better indicate defaulting rules
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=parsing&diff=0&oldid=21366 * Brian * (+3049) added the rest of the HTML elements
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[[parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=parsing&diff=0&oldid=21367 * Brian * (+108) Added Links section
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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blakestar is Feeling mashed up after BarCamp and MashPit Dallas
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
- [12:18:51] <illustir>
a friend just asked me what does 'agent' do: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-cheatsheet
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greetings
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[[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=21368 * ThomShannon * (+162)
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blakestar is Feeling mashed up after BarCamp and MashPit Dallas
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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[[User:ManuSporny]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ManuSporny&diff=0&oldid=21369 * ManuSporny * (+84) Essays About Microformats -
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[[accepted-limitations-of-microformats]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/accepted-limitations-of-microformats * ManuSporny * (+6029) Created accepted-limitations-of-microformats page
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[[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21370 * ManuSporny * (+357) Votes -
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[[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21371 * ManuSporny * (+20) Contributors -
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[[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21372 * ManuSporny * (+7) album-title Property -
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[[audio-info-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21373 * ManuSporny * (-38) Moving album-title from bottom to top of page
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[[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21374 * ManuSporny * (+137) Votes -
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[[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21375 * ManuSporny * (+30) album-title Property -
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather
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[[audio-info-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21376 * ManuSporny * (+1259) album-title Property -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=21377 * AndyMabbett * (+109) Examples with some problems - another example of hidden metadata on Wikipeida (exactly as I warned would happen when the template modification used was proposed)
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- [19:36:33] <jaldhar>
hello. I am building a website which is a directory of people in a social setting. I thought hCard enabling it might be a good idea.
- [19:36:45] <jaldhar>
however I'm not sure it is the right fit.
- [19:37:22] <jaldhar>
For instance how would I represent a members age? I see a bday class but not one for age
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also gender seems to be missing
- [19:38:15] <bewest>
bday is insufficient?
- [19:39:09] <jaldhar>
bewest: well I store the birthday in the database but I display the current age. Is bday still usable in that case?
- [19:41:02] <bewest>
for what?
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- [19:41:20] <bewest>
bday is intended to mark up with suitably high fidelity someone's birth day
- [19:41:38] <bewest>
I'm not sure why an application would choose to consume someone's age through an "age" property in html
- [19:41:46] <bewest>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-profiles
- [19:50:31] <bewest>
absence of age from the spec doesn't prohibit publishing it, of course
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- [19:55:59] <jaldhar>
bewest: I've been rummaging around the wiki and I think I am warping hCard into a use its not really meant for. I guess I really need a microformat for "profiles" i.e. this is this person at this moment in time.
- [19:56:44] <bewest>
why?
- [19:57:41] <bewest>
jaldhar: did you read http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-profiles ?
- [19:58:13] <jaldhar>
well this is a list of people in a social group. They may volunteer for different things based on their particular abilities (or age or gender)
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bewest: I am reading through it. I didn't see exactly what I want but maybe I need to think this through some more
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rosebleed looks interesting.
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[[accepted-limitations-of-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accepted-limitations-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=21378 * Brian * (+382) NOTED that we should avoid theoretical issues
- [20:14:01] <jaldhar>
ok I think I've got a handle on how people are using hCard for profiles even though none of them match what I want exactly.
- [20:14:37] <KevinMarks>
very contrived examples there
- [20:14:37] <bewest>
jaldhar: you might also get acquaited with POSH tehchniques to extend hcard for the properties you need: http://microformats.org/wiki/posh http://microformatique.com/?page_id=109
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bewest ok I'll do that. But hCard really ought to have a gender property. That's the only big omissision I see.
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Why not do something like <abbr class="bday" title="1979-08-22">28 years old</abbr>?
- [20:17:58] <jaldhar>
hober: bewest pointed me in that direction.
- [20:23:15] <KevinMarks>
things I see missing from vcard are gender, source, IM status message, and key/value pairs for categories
- [20:25:02] <jaldhar>
.oO(Did I write omissision?)
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[[accepted-limitations-of-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accepted-limitations-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=21379 * Kevin Marks * (+4) Microformat Scoping Issue -
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KevinMarks: what is "source"?
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[[accepted-limitations-of-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accepted-limitations-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=21380 * Kevin Marks * (-458) Microformat Namespacing Issue -
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source in vcard is helpful to say where it came from ie to check for updates
- [21:24:17] <KevinMarks>
most of the hcard to vcard transformers put a 'source' in the Notes
- [21:31:39] <bewest>
ah
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- [22:03:29] <KevinMarks>
there is an hcard conference next week
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r u going?
- [22:04:36] <KevinMarks>
probably not, though I might teleconference in
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I wonder if I should send them the jcard idea
- [22:05:17] <tantek>
how about writing it up on the wiki first?
- [22:05:29] <KevinMarks>
sounds like a plan
- [22:05:51] <KevinMarks>
does our wiki have the equivalent of NPOV tags ?
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- [22:06:44] <KevinMarks>
I can see some of them being useful (or variants) [needs citations]
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- [22:09:10] <KevinMarks>
[contains FUD]
- [22:10:22] <tantek>
KevinMarks, just start, we'll figure it out
- [22:11:09] <KevinMarks>
sorry that thought (NPOV tags) was related to this page (which I edited) http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accepted-limitations-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=21378
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no that page just needs some healthy iteration
- [22:12:01] <KevinMarks>
thats what i was doing
- [22:12:19] <tantek>
excellent
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[[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=21381 * EdwardOConnor * (+159) added josh's BarCam Samp Diego presentation
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- [22:30:44] <kingryan>
KevinMarks: the transformers don't put SOURCE in the notes, the desktop applications (ala iCal)
- [22:38:34] <KevinMarks>
it does? oh
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[[vote-links]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=21382 * Kevin Marks * (-4) Copyright -
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- [23:41:21] <KevinMarks>
still in London, t?
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[[process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=21383 * Tantek * (+39)
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hi KevinMarks
- [23:56:22] <tantek>
yes
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[[templates]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=templates&diff=0&oldid=21384 * Tantek * (+19)
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