IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-09-28
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[[gender-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/gender-examples * Tantek * (+179) start
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21902 * AndyMabbett * (+508) Relationships -
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<factoryjoe> gtg
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<factoryjoe> cya
- [00:30:18] <ianloic>
daveman692, you there?
- [00:30:29] <mfbot>
[[gender-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=gender-examples&diff=0&oldid=21903 * Tantek * (+1378) added sites and services examples which show quite a variety.
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[[genealogy-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-examples&diff=0&oldid=21904 * Tantek * (+74)
- [00:33:23] <ianloic>
daveman692, this hcard markup in lj profile pages is awesome
- [00:33:39] <ianloic>
daveman692, but it would be cool if the "website" link had a rel-me
- [00:35:59] <hober>
daveman692: A long time ago, I submitted an LJ patch to make <lj user> pass through @rel to the <a> that it generated.
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e.g., <lj user="kirinqueen" rel="spouse" /> became, basically, <a href="..." rel="spouse">kirinqueen</a>
- [00:37:16] <hober>
I don't remember if it got applied (probably not, as it was pretty bad Perl IIRC).
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- [00:43:11] <mfbot>
[[gender-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=gender-examples&diff=0&oldid=21905 * Tantek * (+200) move links to discussion here from [[vcard-suggestions]]
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[[vcard-suggestions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-suggestions&diff=0&oldid=21906 * Tantek * (-366) move a few things to [[gender-examples]], link and provide follow-up accordingly
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agreed ianloic
- [00:48:15] <tantek_>
in fact, that is step #3 in the implementation steps for hCard+XFN supporting friends lists: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists#Implement_hCard_XFN_supporting_friends_lists
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- [01:03:59] <daveman692>
hey
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so the reason I didn'
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t rel-me website is that in profile editing it isn't communicated to the user that it is their website
- [01:04:58] <daveman692>
but we'll be shipping stuff to let users better manage those sorts of links, should be first shipping a MT plugin for it next week
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then other products will follow
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[[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21907 * ManuSporny * (+151) audio-title Property -
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[[figure-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=figure-examples&diff=0&oldid=21908 * LyricsBoy * (+0) Existing Practices - herein -> here in
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[[figure-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=figure-examples&diff=0&oldid=21909 * LyricsBoy * (+1) Revenue Watch Institute (website forthcoming) - cam -> came
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[[User:LyricsBoy]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:LyricsBoy * LyricsBoy * (+58)
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MattBowen is Matt Bowen and can be found online at http://m.odul.us
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21910 * ManuSporny * (+377) Schema -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21911 * ManuSporny * (-109) Schema -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21912 * ManuSporny * (+7) Audio Title -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21913 * ManuSporny * (+442) Recording -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21914 * ManuSporny * (+43) Schema -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21915 * ManuSporny * (+455) Album - added Track -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21916 * ManuSporny * (+26) Recording -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21917 * ManuSporny * (-15) Published Date -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21918 * ManuSporny * (+8) Published -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21919 * ManuSporny * (-31) Image Summary -
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[[Talk:requirements-testing]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:requirements-testing * Ts2Vm3 * (+10657)
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[[audio-info-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21920 * ManuSporny * (+1477) Added Disputed Additions, Podcast, Position and Description
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21921 * ManuSporny * (+1) = Description -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21922 * ManuSporny * (+0) hAudio Microformat Draft Specification -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21923 * ManuSporny * (-2) Simple Song Example -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21924 * ManuSporny * (-2) Speech Example -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21925 * ManuSporny * (-15) Complete Example -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21926 * ManuSporny * (+479) Complete Example -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21927 * ManuSporny * (+432) Speech Example -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21928 * ManuSporny * (+6) Complete Example -
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[[video-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21929 * ManuSporny * (+242) Video Sites Needing Analysis -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Ts2Vm3" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:requirements-testing": spam
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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[[Talk:job-listing-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:job-listing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21930 * QpgHyo * (+10478)
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[[events/2007-09-28-portable-social-networks-meetup-amsterdam]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-28-portable-social-networks-meetup-amsterdam&diff=0&oldid=21931 * Robert * (+17) blog posts -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[User talk:LyricsBoy]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:LyricsBoy * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome!
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[[hcard-advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=21932 * AndyMabbett * (+8) typo; expand abbr.s
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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[[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=21933 * AndyMabbett * (+82) User Profiles - Facebook requested
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[[events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=21934 * Tantek * (+0) fix TZ offset
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=21935 * Tantek * (+244) added entry for snp event
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=21936 * Tantek * (-3) fix summary
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=21937 * AndyMabbett * (+153) September - start time fix; vcard
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=21938 * AndyMabbett * (-3) rm fragment
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=21939 * AndyMabbett * (+149) September - TZ; adr
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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is there any description of the algorithm-nearest-in-parent?
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[[xfn-wants]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-wants&diff=0&oldid=21940 * AndyMabbett * (+4) rfc2119 template
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [18:06:28] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek: technorati has some widget of recent visitors for blogs?
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kingryan is ryan king
- [18:07:21] <tantek_>
hello MAKACOW - I'm not sure what you mean, but you can find Technorati widgets here: http://technorati.com/tools/ - also, checkout #technorati
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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- [18:18:21] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek__: do you know BlogBlogs.Com.Br?
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
- [18:19:35] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek__: they have a pretty widget of recent visitors
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- [18:22:08] <tantek__>
do they support microformats?
- [18:22:22] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek__ look in the third column, compares with the other sites, blogblogs widget is more beauty of all -> http://www.temas.burajiru.blog.br/
- [18:23:29] <tantek__>
that is quite pretty
- [18:23:47] <tantek__>
MAKACOW - what do you think of http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-pt-br ? And do you think you could help with it?
- [18:23:56] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i think that blogblogs have partial support of microformats
- [18:25:10] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i to see
- [18:25:10] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i go*
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- [18:42:41] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek___ that page has a good translation, like original, a good intro to learn in pt-BR
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- [18:49:00] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek_: a place with good and easy articles about microformats in Pt-BR is www.revolucao.etc.br , this site is better placed in the searches and always post articles describing microformats and semantic web.;...
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- [18:50:05] <tantek_>
that's good to know, perhaps you could add it somewhere on http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-pt-br or one of the pages it links to?
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- [18:51:08] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
add link to www.revolucao.etc.br? or add his articles?
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[[events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=21945 * Tantek * (+74) complete attendee list, a few notes tweaks
- [18:58:58] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
in the coments of some articles has peoples doubting of the utility of microformats
- [18:58:59] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i think that you must be customary with opnions like that
- [18:59:50] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
"n�o irei aprender essa porcaria at� que saia um ?Google-Buscador de hcard? ou coisa do g�nero"
- [19:01:25] <tantek_>
yes one has to often show a simple demonstration of e.g. one-click Add to Address Book of hCards to demonstrate some of the capabilities that microformats immediately empower.
- [19:03:41] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
trying translate comment.. "I not go to learn this if not exist a "Google's hcard search" or similar thing"
- [19:04:13] <tantek_>
MAKACOW, they can use Technorati's hCard search: http://kitchen.technorati.com/contacts/search/
- [19:04:17] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
permalink of this commets -. http://revolucao.etc.br/archives/microformats-xoxo/#comment-279
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- [19:08:58] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
I not agree totaly with the coment of this person, but partially, o think that google, yahoo, and msn would have to adopt microformats
- [19:09:07] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i think*
- [19:10:51] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
because Google is the most used search engine on the web with a 50.8% market share, ahead of Yahoo! (23.6%) and Live Search (8.4%)
- [19:11:05] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google )
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- [19:11:35] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
why google not implement microformats?
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- [19:13:02] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
why google not offers support to microformats?
- [19:13:26] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
totaly* suport
- [19:18:07] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek do you some time it talked with some representant of google about this? which point of them about totally suport for microformats?
- [19:19:59] <tantek>
MAKACOW Google has started supporting microformats in many places, e.g. Blogger supports hAtom, Google Maps supports hCard.
- [19:21:13] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
I mention myself to the support in googlebot
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21946 * Tantek * (+91) add additional implementations since KevinMarks hadn't added them yet
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21947 * Tantek * (+323) added Google Blogger, Google Maps
- [19:24:38] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
me taked about googlebot useragent
- [19:25:20] <tantek>
Google search already supports the rel-nofollow microformat for example.
- [19:26:23] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
yes, but not others
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- [19:27:01] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
yahoo has added suport for robots exclusion class in span and div?
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21948 * Tantek * (+151) LiveJournal - noted support of hCard user profiles and XFN
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- [19:28:47] <tantek>
MAKACOW - see http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations#Google_Search
- [19:29:03] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i go to see
- [19:29:17] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
my english is more bad than ever :P
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- [19:31:26] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i not know how somebody can understand me :P
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- [19:33:45] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
would have to exist only one language, everything would be more easy
- [19:34:20] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
but not esperanto, esperanto sucks :P
- [19:35:05] <kingryan>
instead of inventing a new language, like esperanto, the world should just pick an existing one :)
- [19:36:57] <kingryan>
tantek: did you see the mf-discuss email about hcards in tables?
- [19:41:00] <KevinMarks>
Dependsing on when that vote gets held, it will either be chinese or english
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(india is growing faster than china, and they use English to avoid disputes between their languages)
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[[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=21949 * Tantek * (+268) LiveJournal supports hCard user profiles!
- [19:42:43] <KevinMarks>
oh great, they've been promising me that fro ages, but the people I spoke to kept leaving...
- [19:43:21] <tantek_>
kingryan, I believe hcards in table rows in particular is one of the reason I wrote up http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Implied_N_from_its_subproperties
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KevinMarks, any chance of Orkut supporting hCard user profiles and hCard+XFN friends lists?
- [19:44:10] <kingryan>
tantek_: yeah, that sounds right
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I'll talk to them
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the profiles in Social Sharing do
- [19:44:48] <tantek_>
kingryan, perhaps add the example/request from the email to that section
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"Social Sharing"?
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though they are dynamically generated in an iframe from JS at the moment, so they are not very scrapable
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Shared Stuff
- [19:45:28] <tantek_>
could you elaborate here? http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations#Google
- [19:45:36] <tantek_>
I already added stubs for Google Maps and Blogger
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http://www.google.com/s2/sharing/stuff?user=109581870574956225297
- [19:46:11] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
the employees of orkut are the worse ones of google, I do not believe this
- [19:46:42] <KevinMarks>
what do you mean, MAKACOW-Brazil?
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21950 * RyanKing * (+129) Implied N from its subproperties -
- [19:47:00] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
orkut have much xss...
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a lot of them sit within 40ft of me...
- [19:47:15] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
and much bugs
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and the abuse team sits the other way
- [19:48:21] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
"any chance of Orkut supporting hCard user profiles and hCard+XFN friends lists?" <I do not believe this
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- [19:49:50] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
orkut has many bugs, robberies of communities and much more, orkut is a hole of xss
- [19:50:26] <KevinMarks>
if you have specific bug reports, mail me at kevinmarks@google.com and I'll pass them on
- [19:50:50] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
exists 1 xss in action now, last week was corrected another one
- [19:51:23] <KevinMarks>
a lot of the attacks I know of are social engineering (paste this javascript into the addressbar to see something cool)
- [19:52:19] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=83 << "bugs in orkut" cmm
- [19:52:53] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
exist one xss in CmmInvite.aspx now
- [19:53:01] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
unfixed
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- [19:54:47] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
irc://irc.quakenet.org/bugsnoorkut
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- [19:56:59] <jibot>
julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
- [19:57:27] <julianstahnke>
How do I post something to the mailing list? Do I just hit reply and that's it?
- [19:57:54] <kingryan>
julianstahnke: are you subscibed?
- [19:57:57] <kingryan>
subscribed*
- [19:57:58] <julianstahnke>
yup
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- [20:04:08] <julianstahnke>
So if I wanted to reply to a post someone made, do I reply to the maiing list, using the same title as the post I'm replying to?
- [20:04:44] <kingryan>
yes. just hit reply
- [20:04:56] <julianstahnke>
ah, awesome, cheers
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- [20:16:44] <Wolfyy>
hi everybody
- [20:17:04] <mfbot>
[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21951 * DrErnie * (+227) Follow a Relationship -
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[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21952 * DrErnie * (-4) Routing - creation
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- [20:24:27] <tantek__>
Hmm... does anyone understand this? http://twitter.com/Wojtek/statuses/299700082
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- [20:28:04] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek: This language is Polish
- [20:29:27] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
KevinMarks: what your profile in orkut?
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- [20:32:00] <hugorafaeL>
am i allowed to speak portuguese here?
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- [20:32:15] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
hugorafaeL: no
- [20:32:22] <Wolfyy>
lol
- [20:32:33] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
only english obviously
- [20:33:22] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
but you can talk "almost-english", this is a language that i speek here
- [20:33:45] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
speak*
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- [20:34:03] <Wolfyy>
lol, foreign people speak like this lol
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- [20:40:37] <ianloic>
oops, I pointed my xfn crawler at tantek.com
- [20:40:44] <bewest>
hrm
- [20:40:55] <ianloic>
tantek knows everyone
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- [20:41:22] <bewest>
wouldn't GET /collection/tail be better for retreiving a form than GET /collection/edit ?
- [20:42:33] <Wolfyy>
<<away
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- [20:45:00] <KevinMarks>
you can speak portuguese if you like, but you may not get many good answers
- [20:45:25] <KevinMarks>
though if you want to translate the microformats wiki into portuguese, that would be great
- [20:45:40] <KevinMarks>
Christophe has been doing a lot to make it french
- [20:47:07] <mfbot>
[[hcard-supporting-user-profiles-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles-fr&diff=0&oldid=21953 * ChristopheDucamp * (+556) sync'd
- [20:48:48] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
KevinMarks: many useful topics of my community are disappearing, must be error in the server of orkut, would have as you to recoup them?
- [20:49:48] <jimbojw>
tantek: per our conversation the other day, I posted my arguments for ugrading the microformats wiki here: http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Wiki_improvements
- [20:50:07] <jimbojw>
i'll be happy to answer any questions :)
- [20:50:15] <tantek>
thanks much jimbojw
- [20:50:21] <jimbojw>
np
- [20:50:24] <tantek>
note that we cannot do without the core changes we have made
- [20:50:28] <KevinMarks>
email me the community and I'll pass it on to the orkut backend admins
- [20:50:31] <tantek>
they are essential to usability, etc.
- [20:50:43] <tantek>
better URLs
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- [20:51:17] <jimbojw>
sure sure - in my experience, most core hacks can be implemented as extensions - that would probably be necessary
- [20:51:36] <jimbojw>
it may not be easy to upgrade, but biting the bullet will make future endeavors much easer (like implementing OpenID)
- [20:53:41] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
my extensive tutoriais in topics had disappeared
- [20:55:17] <ianloic>
hey, so rel="me" on a link from page A to page B says that page A and page B are owned by the same person
- [20:55:31] <KevinMarks>
yes
- [20:55:41] <KevinMarks>
but only truly trustworthy if B links back to A
- [20:55:54] <ianloic>
and hcard url=A, url=B on page A means that A and B are owned by the person in the hcard
- [20:56:24] <ianloic>
and hcard url=B on page A, inside <address> means that A and B are owned by the person in the hcard
- [20:56:26] <ianloic>
right
- [20:56:39] <tantek>
<address> just means contact info for the page
- [20:56:40] <ianloic>
I'm trying to work out the non-xfn claims I need to scrape
- [20:57:01] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
KevinMarks: this cmm -> http://www.orkut.com/Community?cmm=11518856 thanks
- [20:57:14] <tantek>
hcard url just means this is a URL for this person/org
- [20:57:27] <tantek>
it does not necessarily imply ownership
- [20:57:32] <ianloic>
tantek, so can we extract any useful social assertions from hcard?
- [20:57:46] <tantek>
social assertions are in XFN
- [20:57:52] <tantek>
they're modular like that
- [20:58:21] <ianloic>
well, can we extract any assertions that are equivalent to rel-me from hcard?
- [20:59:21] <KevinMarks>
you can extract the link to the page's author
- [20:59:58] <KevinMarks>
er, I mean the hcard info about the page's author
- [21:00:04] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
KevinMarks: this community had some useful topics about the personalization of opera browser, and is disappearing many topics, some had disappeared only first post of the topic, others had disappeared the entire topic
- [21:00:58] <tantek>
ianloic, no, rel="me" is how you do rel-me assertions, it's orthogonal, deliberately
- [21:01:04] <mfbot>
[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=21954 * ChristopheDucamp * (+624) [fr:sync'd with english version]]
- [21:01:27] <ianloic>
KevinMarks, how do I extract page author assertions? tantek says <address> is for contact info, not authorship
- [21:02:59] <tantek>
HTML4 says <address> is for contact info
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- [21:06:43] <jibot>
gsnedders is a mad teenager from Scotland who occasionally blogs at <http://geoffers.uni.cc/>
- [21:08:18] <KevinMarks>
well, OK
- [21:08:29] <KevinMarks>
we have a heuristic suggested
- [21:09:05] <KevinMarks>
does that mean we should define something to assert it? (beyond a rel="me" self-link?)
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- [21:09:31] <NeX>
hi folks
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[[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=21955 * ChristopheDucamp * (+543)
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[[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=21956 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) Août -
- [21:30:52] <kingryan>
iand: url+uid gives you something similar to rel-me
- [21:30:58] <kingryan>
ianloic, I mean
- [21:31:46] <ianloic>
kingryan, but that's a claim of self between the hcard and the remote url, right?
- [21:32:10] <kingryan>
uid = the thing the hcard represents
- [21:32:38] <kingryan>
it says nothing of the relationship between the current page and the uid-url, unless the uid-url is equal to the current page
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- [21:43:47] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[hatom-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=21957 * Tantek * (+169) ITVP supports hAtom
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[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21958 * DrErnie * (+823) methods
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[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21959 * DrErnie * (+77) Methods - link
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[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21960 * DrErnie * (+1100) Response Codes -
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[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21961 * DrErnie * (+0) Client Error - reformat
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[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21962 * DrErnie * (+51) Examples in the Wild -
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[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21963 * DrErnie * (-4) Response Codes -
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- [22:11:46] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
Saluton, ?iuj
- [22:12:13] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
oops, wrong tab channel :P
- [22:30:33] <KevinMarks>
right
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21964 * AndyMabbett * (+326) Google Maps - citaton & bugs
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21965 * AndyMabbett * (+11) fix
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- [22:45:20] <Wolfyy>
>>
- [22:46:19] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
Wolfyy: what a hell is ">>" ??
- [22:46:56] <Wolfyy>
backing lol
- [22:47:32] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
okay
- [22:47:40] <Wolfyy>
i was away, and i'm here now :P
- [22:48:01] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i'm watchin'
- [22:49:15] <Wolfyy>
lol
- [22:51:35] <mfbot>
[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21966 * AndyMabbett * (+16) implied "n" from its subproperties - clarify: this is a proposal, not current sate-of-play
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21967 * Tantek * (-16) Reverted edit of AndyMabbett, changed back to last version by RyanKing
- [23:08:33] <mfbot>
[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21968 * Tantek * (+91) entire page is proposals
- [23:09:17] <Wolfyy>
KevinMarks: in orkut will have microformats?
- [23:14:57] <KevinMarks>
it's possible - how woudl you use them if it did?
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- [23:19:09] <Wolfyy>
will be more "practice", for example, <a href="profile.aspx?uid=..." rel="friend">Peter</a>, will be nice (:
- [23:21:17] <Wolfyy>
and more web 2.0 lol
- [23:22:18] <Wolfyy>
just kidding :P
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- [23:28:27] <Wolfyy>
KevinMarks: do u have orkut?
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- [23:54:17] <Wolfyy>
<<soap opera lol
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