IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-09-28

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  1. [00:01:51] <mfbot> [[gender-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/gender-examples * Tantek * (+179) start
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  5. [00:04:47] <mfbot> [[genealogy-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21902 * AndyMabbett * (+508) Relationships -
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  9. [00:16:16] <pibb-microformat> <factoryjoe> gtg
  10. [00:16:17] <pibb-microformat> <factoryjoe> cya
  11. [00:30:18] <ianloic> daveman692, you there?
  12. [00:30:29] <mfbot> [[gender-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=gender-examples&diff=0&oldid=21903 * Tantek * (+1378) added sites and services examples which show quite a variety.
  13. [00:31:10] <mfbot> [[genealogy-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-examples&diff=0&oldid=21904 * Tantek * (+74)
  14. [00:33:23] <ianloic> daveman692, this hcard markup in lj profile pages is awesome
  15. [00:33:39] <ianloic> daveman692, but it would be cool if the "website" link had a rel-me
  16. [00:35:59] <hober> daveman692: A long time ago, I submitted an LJ patch to make <lj user> pass through @rel to the <a> that it generated.
  17. [00:36:33] <hober> e.g., <lj user="kirinqueen" rel="spouse" /> became, basically, <a href="..." rel="spouse">kirinqueen</a>
  18. [00:37:16] <hober> I don't remember if it got applied (probably not, as it was pretty bad Perl IIRC).
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  21. [00:43:11] <mfbot> [[gender-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=gender-examples&diff=0&oldid=21905 * Tantek * (+200) move links to discussion here from [[vcard-suggestions]]
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  24. [00:46:37] <mfbot> [[vcard-suggestions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-suggestions&diff=0&oldid=21906 * Tantek * (-366) move a few things to [[gender-examples]], link and provide follow-up accordingly
  25. [00:47:41] <tantek_> agreed ianloic
  26. [00:48:15] <tantek_> in fact, that is step #3 in the implementation steps for hCard+XFN supporting friends lists: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists#Implement_hCard_XFN_supporting_friends_lists
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  30. [01:03:59] <daveman692> hey
  31. [01:04:06] <daveman692> so the reason I didn'
  32. [01:04:24] <daveman692> t rel-me website is that in profile editing it isn't communicated to the user that it is their website
  33. [01:04:58] <daveman692> but we'll be shipping stuff to let users better manage those sorts of links, should be first shipping a MT plugin for it next week
  34. [01:05:03] <daveman692> then other products will follow
  35. [01:21:01] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=21907 * ManuSporny * (+151) audio-title Property -
  36. [01:23:37] <mfbot> [[figure-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=figure-examples&diff=0&oldid=21908 * LyricsBoy * (+0) Existing Practices - herein -> here in
  37. [01:27:23] <mfbot> [[figure-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=figure-examples&diff=0&oldid=21909 * LyricsBoy * (+1) Revenue Watch Institute (website forthcoming) - cam -> came
  38. [01:30:49] <mfbot> [[User:LyricsBoy]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:LyricsBoy * LyricsBoy * (+58)
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  40. [01:33:32] <jibot> MattBowen is Matt Bowen and can be found online at http://m.odul.us
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  42. [01:43:41] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21910 * ManuSporny * (+377) Schema -
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  45. [01:54:16] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21912 * ManuSporny * (+7) Audio Title -
  46. [01:56:27] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21913 * ManuSporny * (+442) Recording -
  47. [01:57:14] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21914 * ManuSporny * (+43) Schema -
  48. [02:02:20] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21915 * ManuSporny * (+455) Album - added Track -
  49. [02:03:11] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21916 * ManuSporny * (+26) Recording -
  50. [02:04:02] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21917 * ManuSporny * (-15) Published Date -
  51. [02:04:38] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21918 * ManuSporny * (+8) Published -
  52. [02:05:54] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21919 * ManuSporny * (-31) Image Summary -
  53. [02:07:30] <mfbot> [[Talk:requirements-testing]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:requirements-testing * Ts2Vm3 * (+10657)
  54. [02:19:31] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21920 * ManuSporny * (+1477) Added Disputed Additions, Podcast, Position and Description
  55. [02:19:52] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21921 * ManuSporny * (+1) = Description -
  56. [02:20:43] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21922 * ManuSporny * (+0) hAudio Microformat Draft Specification -
  57. [02:26:10] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21923 * ManuSporny * (-2) Simple Song Example -
  58. [02:26:26] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21924 * ManuSporny * (-2) Speech Example -
  59. [02:27:32] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21925 * ManuSporny * (-15) Complete Example -
  60. [02:29:38] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21926 * ManuSporny * (+479) Complete Example -
  61. [02:32:34] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21927 * ManuSporny * (+432) Speech Example -
  62. [02:32:55] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=21928 * ManuSporny * (+6) Complete Example -
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  64. [02:53:37] <mfbot> [[video-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=21929 * ManuSporny * (+242) Video Sites Needing Analysis -
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  71. [05:54:44] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  75. [06:08:12] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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  78. [06:15:21] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  79. [06:15:48] <mfbot> [[Talk:job-listing-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:job-listing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21930 * QpgHyo * (+10478)
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  87. [07:04:33] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  100. [07:54:58] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  102. [08:02:10] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  109. [09:10:17] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  113. [09:30:40] <mfbot> [[User talk:LyricsBoy]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:LyricsBoy * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome!
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  117. [09:42:19] <mfbot> [[hcard-advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=21932 * AndyMabbett * (+8) typo; expand abbr.s
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  119. [09:43:33] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
  120. [10:07:43] <mfbot> [[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=21933 * AndyMabbett * (+82) User Profiles - Facebook requested
  121. [10:13:44] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=21934 * Tantek * (+0) fix TZ offset
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  126. [10:39:44] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=21937 * AndyMabbett * (+153) September - start time fix; vcard
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  141. [13:11:29] <gsnedders> is there any description of the algorithm-nearest-in-parent?
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  231. [18:06:28] <MAKACOW-Brazil> tantek: technorati has some widget of recent visitors for blogs?
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  234. [18:06:47] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  235. [18:07:21] <tantek_> hello MAKACOW - I'm not sure what you mean, but you can find Technorati widgets here: http://technorati.com/tools/ - also, checkout #technorati
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  242. [18:18:21] <MAKACOW-Brazil> tantek__: do you know BlogBlogs.Com.Br?
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  244. [18:18:57] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
  245. [18:19:35] <MAKACOW-Brazil> tantek__: they have a pretty widget of recent visitors
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  250. [18:22:08] <tantek__> do they support microformats?
  251. [18:22:22] <MAKACOW-Brazil> tantek__ look in the third column, compares with the other sites, blogblogs widget is more beauty of all -> http://www.temas.burajiru.blog.br/
  252. [18:23:29] <tantek__> that is quite pretty
  253. [18:23:47] <tantek__> MAKACOW - what do you think of http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-pt-br ? And do you think you could help with it?
  254. [18:23:56] <MAKACOW-Brazil> i think that blogblogs have partial support of microformats
  255. [18:25:10] <MAKACOW-Brazil> i to see
  256. [18:25:10] <MAKACOW-Brazil> i go*
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  263. [18:42:41] <MAKACOW-Brazil> tantek___ that page has a good translation, like original, a good intro to learn in pt-BR
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  266. [18:49:00] <MAKACOW-Brazil> tantek_: a place with good and easy articles about microformats in Pt-BR is www.revolucao.etc.br , this site is better placed in the searches and always post articles describing microformats and semantic web.;...
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  268. [18:50:05] <tantek_> that's good to know, perhaps you could add it somewhere on http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-pt-br or one of the pages it links to?
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  270. [18:51:08] <MAKACOW-Brazil> add link to www.revolucao.etc.br? or add his articles?
  271. [18:54:05] <mfbot> [[events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-09-25-social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=21945 * Tantek * (+74) complete attendee list, a few notes tweaks
  272. [18:58:58] <MAKACOW-Brazil> in the coments of some articles has peoples doubting of the utility of microformats
  273. [18:58:59] <MAKACOW-Brazil> i think that you must be customary with opnions like that
  274. [18:59:50] <MAKACOW-Brazil> "n�o irei aprender essa porcaria at� que saia um ?Google-Buscador de hcard? ou coisa do g�nero"
  275. [19:01:25] <tantek_> yes one has to often show a simple demonstration of e.g. one-click Add to Address Book of hCards to demonstrate some of the capabilities that microformats immediately empower.
  276. [19:03:41] <MAKACOW-Brazil> trying translate comment.. "I not go to learn this if not exist a "Google's hcard search" or similar thing"
  277. [19:04:13] <tantek_> MAKACOW, they can use Technorati's hCard search: http://kitchen.technorati.com/contacts/search/
  278. [19:04:17] <MAKACOW-Brazil> permalink of this commets -. http://revolucao.etc.br/archives/microformats-xoxo/#comment-279
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  281. [19:08:58] <MAKACOW-Brazil> I not agree totaly with the coment of this person, but partially, o think that google, yahoo, and msn would have to adopt microformats
  282. [19:09:07] <MAKACOW-Brazil> i think*
  283. [19:10:51] <MAKACOW-Brazil> because Google is the most used search engine on the web with a 50.8% market share, ahead of Yahoo! (23.6%) and Live Search (8.4%)
  284. [19:11:05] <MAKACOW-Brazil> ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google )
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  286. [19:11:35] <MAKACOW-Brazil> why google not implement microformats?
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  291. [19:13:02] <MAKACOW-Brazil> why google not offers support to microformats?
  292. [19:13:26] <MAKACOW-Brazil> totaly* suport
  293. [19:18:07] <MAKACOW-Brazil> tantek do you some time it talked with some representant of google about this? which point of them about totally suport for microformats?
  294. [19:19:59] <tantek> MAKACOW Google has started supporting microformats in many places, e.g. Blogger supports hAtom, Google Maps supports hCard.
  295. [19:21:13] <MAKACOW-Brazil> I mention myself to the support in googlebot
  296. [19:22:02] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21946 * Tantek * (+91) add additional implementations since KevinMarks hadn't added them yet
  297. [19:24:18] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21947 * Tantek * (+323) added Google Blogger, Google Maps
  298. [19:24:38] <MAKACOW-Brazil> me taked about googlebot useragent
  299. [19:25:20] <tantek> Google search already supports the rel-nofollow microformat for example.
  300. [19:26:23] <MAKACOW-Brazil> yes, but not others
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  302. [19:27:01] <MAKACOW-Brazil> yahoo has added suport for robots exclusion class in span and div?
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  304. [19:27:24] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21948 * Tantek * (+151) LiveJournal - noted support of hCard user profiles and XFN
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  307. [19:28:47] <tantek> MAKACOW - see http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations#Google_Search
  308. [19:29:03] <MAKACOW-Brazil> i go to see
  309. [19:29:17] <MAKACOW-Brazil> my english is more bad than ever :P
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  311. [19:31:26] <MAKACOW-Brazil> i not know how somebody can understand me :P
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  313. [19:33:45] <MAKACOW-Brazil> would have to exist only one language, everything would be more easy
  314. [19:34:20] <MAKACOW-Brazil> but not esperanto, esperanto sucks :P
  315. [19:35:05] <kingryan> instead of inventing a new language, like esperanto, the world should just pick an existing one :)
  316. [19:36:57] <kingryan> tantek: did you see the mf-discuss email about hcards in tables?
  317. [19:41:00] <KevinMarks> Dependsing on when that vote gets held, it will either be chinese or english
  318. [19:41:29] <KevinMarks> (india is growing faster than china, and they use English to avoid disputes between their languages)
  319. [19:41:56] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=21949 * Tantek * (+268) LiveJournal supports hCard user profiles!
  320. [19:42:43] <KevinMarks> oh great, they've been promising me that fro ages, but the people I spoke to kept leaving...
  321. [19:43:21] <tantek_> kingryan, I believe hcards in table rows in particular is one of the reason I wrote up http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Implied_N_from_its_subproperties
  322. [19:43:58] <tantek_> KevinMarks, any chance of Orkut supporting hCard user profiles and hCard+XFN friends lists?
  323. [19:44:10] <kingryan> tantek_: yeah, that sounds right
  324. [19:44:30] <KevinMarks> I'll talk to them
  325. [19:44:42] <KevinMarks> the profiles in Social Sharing do
  326. [19:44:48] <tantek_> kingryan, perhaps add the example/request from the email to that section
  327. [19:45:04] <tantek_> "Social Sharing"?
  328. [19:45:15] <KevinMarks> though they are dynamically generated in an iframe from JS at the moment, so they are not very scrapable
  329. [19:45:18] <KevinMarks> Shared Stuff
  330. [19:45:28] <tantek_> could you elaborate here? http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations#Google
  331. [19:45:36] <tantek_> I already added stubs for Google Maps and Blogger
  332. [19:46:09] <KevinMarks> http://www.google.com/s2/sharing/stuff?user=109581870574956225297
  333. [19:46:11] <MAKACOW-Brazil> the employees of orkut are the worse ones of google, I do not believe this
  334. [19:46:42] <KevinMarks> what do you mean, MAKACOW-Brazil?
  335. [19:46:57] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21950 * RyanKing * (+129) Implied N from its subproperties -
  336. [19:47:00] <MAKACOW-Brazil> orkut have much xss...
  337. [19:47:02] <KevinMarks> a lot of them sit within 40ft of me...
  338. [19:47:15] <MAKACOW-Brazil> and much bugs
  339. [19:47:36] <KevinMarks> and the abuse team sits the other way
  340. [19:48:21] <MAKACOW-Brazil> "any chance of Orkut supporting hCard user profiles and hCard+XFN friends lists?" <I do not believe this
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  343. [19:49:50] <MAKACOW-Brazil> orkut has many bugs, robberies of communities and much more, orkut is a hole of xss
  344. [19:50:26] <KevinMarks> if you have specific bug reports, mail me at kevinmarks@google.com and I'll pass them on
  345. [19:50:50] <MAKACOW-Brazil> exists 1 xss in action now, last week was corrected another one
  346. [19:51:23] <KevinMarks> a lot of the attacks I know of are social engineering (paste this javascript into the addressbar to see something cool)
  347. [19:52:19] <MAKACOW-Brazil> http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=83 << "bugs in orkut" cmm
  348. [19:52:53] <MAKACOW-Brazil> exist one xss in CmmInvite.aspx now
  349. [19:53:01] <MAKACOW-Brazil> unfixed
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  353. [19:54:47] <MAKACOW-Brazil> irc://irc.quakenet.org/bugsnoorkut
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  355. [19:56:59] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
  356. [19:57:27] <julianstahnke> How do I post something to the mailing list? Do I just hit reply and that's it?
  357. [19:57:54] <kingryan> julianstahnke: are you subscibed?
  358. [19:57:57] <kingryan> subscribed*
  359. [19:57:58] <julianstahnke> yup
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  362. [20:04:08] <julianstahnke> So if I wanted to reply to a post someone made, do I reply to the maiing list, using the same title as the post I'm replying to?
  363. [20:04:44] <kingryan> yes. just hit reply
  364. [20:04:56] <julianstahnke> ah, awesome, cheers
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  369. [20:16:44] <Wolfyy> hi everybody
  370. [20:17:04] <mfbot> [[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21951 * DrErnie * (+227) Follow a Relationship -
  371. [20:18:00] <mfbot> [[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21952 * DrErnie * (-4) Routing - creation
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  374. [20:24:27] <tantek__> Hmm... does anyone understand this? http://twitter.com/Wojtek/statuses/299700082
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  380. [20:28:04] <MAKACOW-Brazil> tantek: This language is Polish
  381. [20:29:27] <MAKACOW-Brazil> KevinMarks: what your profile in orkut?
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  384. [20:32:00] <hugorafaeL> am i allowed to speak portuguese here?
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  386. [20:32:15] <MAKACOW-Brazil> hugorafaeL: no
  387. [20:32:22] <Wolfyy> lol
  388. [20:32:33] <MAKACOW-Brazil> only english obviously
  389. [20:33:22] <MAKACOW-Brazil> but you can talk "almost-english", this is a language that i speek here
  390. [20:33:45] <MAKACOW-Brazil> speak*
  391. [20:33:56] * julianstahnke (n=julianst@last.fm/staff/wurstkind) Quit ("Schönen Tag noch!")
  392. [20:34:03] <Wolfyy> lol, foreign people speak like this lol
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  395. [20:40:37] <ianloic> oops, I pointed my xfn crawler at tantek.com
  396. [20:40:44] <bewest> hrm
  397. [20:40:55] <ianloic> tantek knows everyone
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  399. [20:41:22] <bewest> wouldn't GET /collection/tail be better for retreiving a form than GET /collection/edit ?
  400. [20:42:33] <Wolfyy> <<away
  401. [20:42:42] * Wolfyy is now known as Wolfyy_away
  402. [20:45:00] <KevinMarks> you can speak portuguese if you like, but you may not get many good answers
  403. [20:45:25] <KevinMarks> though if you want to translate the microformats wiki into portuguese, that would be great
  404. [20:45:40] <KevinMarks> Christophe has been doing a lot to make it french
  405. [20:47:07] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles-fr&diff=0&oldid=21953 * ChristopheDucamp * (+556) sync'd
  406. [20:48:48] <MAKACOW-Brazil> KevinMarks: many useful topics of my community are disappearing, must be error in the server of orkut, would have as you to recoup them?
  407. [20:49:48] <jimbojw> tantek: per our conversation the other day, I posted my arguments for ugrading the microformats wiki here: http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Wiki_improvements
  408. [20:50:07] <jimbojw> i'll be happy to answer any questions :)
  409. [20:50:15] <tantek> thanks much jimbojw
  410. [20:50:21] <jimbojw> np
  411. [20:50:24] <tantek> note that we cannot do without the core changes we have made
  412. [20:50:28] <KevinMarks> email me the community and I'll pass it on to the orkut backend admins
  413. [20:50:31] <tantek> they are essential to usability, etc.
  414. [20:50:43] <tantek> better URLs
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  416. [20:51:17] <jimbojw> sure sure - in my experience, most core hacks can be implemented as extensions - that would probably be necessary
  417. [20:51:36] <jimbojw> it may not be easy to upgrade, but biting the bullet will make future endeavors much easer (like implementing OpenID)
  418. [20:53:41] <MAKACOW-Brazil> my extensive tutoriais in topics had disappeared
  419. [20:55:17] <ianloic> hey, so rel="me" on a link from page A to page B says that page A and page B are owned by the same person
  420. [20:55:31] <KevinMarks> yes
  421. [20:55:41] <KevinMarks> but only truly trustworthy if B links back to A
  422. [20:55:54] <ianloic> and hcard url=A, url=B on page A means that A and B are owned by the person in the hcard
  423. [20:56:24] <ianloic> and hcard url=B on page A, inside <address> means that A and B are owned by the person in the hcard
  424. [20:56:26] <ianloic> right
  425. [20:56:39] <tantek> <address> just means contact info for the page
  426. [20:56:40] <ianloic> I'm trying to work out the non-xfn claims I need to scrape
  427. [20:57:01] <MAKACOW-Brazil> KevinMarks: this cmm -> http://www.orkut.com/Community?cmm=11518856 thanks
  428. [20:57:14] <tantek> hcard url just means this is a URL for this person/org
  429. [20:57:27] <tantek> it does not necessarily imply ownership
  430. [20:57:32] <ianloic> tantek, so can we extract any useful social assertions from hcard?
  431. [20:57:46] <tantek> social assertions are in XFN
  432. [20:57:52] <tantek> they're modular like that
  433. [20:58:21] <ianloic> well, can we extract any assertions that are equivalent to rel-me from hcard?
  434. [20:59:21] <KevinMarks> you can extract the link to the page's author
  435. [20:59:58] <KevinMarks> er, I mean the hcard info about the page's author
  436. [21:00:04] <MAKACOW-Brazil> KevinMarks: this community had some useful topics about the personalization of opera browser, and is disappearing many topics, some had disappeared only first post of the topic, others had disappeared the entire topic
  437. [21:00:58] <tantek> ianloic, no, rel="me" is how you do rel-me assertions, it's orthogonal, deliberately
  438. [21:01:04] <mfbot> [[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=21954 * ChristopheDucamp * (+624) [fr:sync'd with english version]]
  439. [21:01:27] <ianloic> KevinMarks, how do I extract page author assertions? tantek says <address> is for contact info, not authorship
  440. [21:02:59] <tantek> HTML4 says <address> is for contact info
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  442. [21:06:43] <jibot> gsnedders is a mad teenager from Scotland who occasionally blogs at <http://geoffers.uni.cc/>
  443. [21:08:18] <KevinMarks> well, OK
  444. [21:08:29] <KevinMarks> we have a heuristic suggested
  445. [21:09:05] <KevinMarks> does that mean we should define something to assert it? (beyond a rel="me" self-link?)
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  447. [21:09:31] <NeX> hi folks
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  450. [21:21:40] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=21955 * ChristopheDucamp * (+543)
  451. [21:22:41] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=21956 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) Août -
  452. [21:30:52] <kingryan> iand: url+uid gives you something similar to rel-me
  453. [21:30:58] <kingryan> ianloic, I mean
  454. [21:31:46] <ianloic> kingryan, but that's a claim of self between the hcard and the remote url, right?
  455. [21:32:10] <kingryan> uid = the thing the hcard represents
  456. [21:32:38] <kingryan> it says nothing of the relationship between the current page and the uid-url, unless the uid-url is equal to the current page
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  460. [21:43:47] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  462. [21:50:23] <mfbot> [[hatom-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=21957 * Tantek * (+169) ITVP supports hAtom
  463. [21:56:15] <mfbot> [[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21958 * DrErnie * (+823) methods
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  465. [21:57:16] <mfbot> [[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21959 * DrErnie * (+77) Methods - link
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  467. [22:04:52] <mfbot> [[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21960 * DrErnie * (+1100) Response Codes -
  468. [22:05:53] <mfbot> [[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21961 * DrErnie * (+0) Client Error - reformat
  469. [22:06:49] <mfbot> [[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21962 * DrErnie * (+51) Examples in the Wild -
  470. [22:08:00] <mfbot> [[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=21963 * DrErnie * (-4) Response Codes -
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  472. [22:11:46] <MAKACOW-Brazil> Saluton, ?iuj
  473. [22:12:13] <MAKACOW-Brazil> oops, wrong tab channel :P
  474. [22:30:33] <KevinMarks> right
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  479. [22:43:38] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21964 * AndyMabbett * (+326) Google Maps - citaton & bugs
  480. [22:44:14] <mfbot> [[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=21965 * AndyMabbett * (+11) fix
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  482. [22:45:20] <Wolfyy> >>
  483. [22:46:19] <MAKACOW-Brazil> Wolfyy: what a hell is ">>" ??
  484. [22:46:56] <Wolfyy> backing lol
  485. [22:47:32] <MAKACOW-Brazil> okay
  486. [22:47:40] <Wolfyy> i was away, and i'm here now :P
  487. [22:48:01] <MAKACOW-Brazil> i'm watchin'
  488. [22:49:15] <Wolfyy> lol
  489. [22:51:35] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21966 * AndyMabbett * (+16) implied "n" from its subproperties - clarify: this is a proposal, not current sate-of-play
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  492. [22:55:21] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21967 * Tantek * (-16) Reverted edit of AndyMabbett, changed back to last version by RyanKing
  493. [23:08:33] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21968 * Tantek * (+91) entire page is proposals
  494. [23:09:17] <Wolfyy> KevinMarks: in orkut will have microformats?
  495. [23:14:57] <KevinMarks> it's possible - how woudl you use them if it did?
  496. [23:19:00] * tantek (n=tantek@h460dacb0.area2.spcsdns.net) Quit ()
  497. [23:19:09] <Wolfyy> will be more "practice", for example, <a href="profile.aspx?uid=..." rel="friend">Peter</a>, will be nice (:
  498. [23:21:17] <Wolfyy> and more web 2.0 lol
  499. [23:22:18] <Wolfyy> just kidding :P
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  501. [23:28:27] <Wolfyy> KevinMarks: do u have orkut?
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  503. [23:54:17] <Wolfyy> <<soap opera lol

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