IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-10-04
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[[reltag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=reltag&diff=0&oldid=22173 * AbaQug * (+14558)
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[[Talk:xfolk-brainstorming]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xfolk-brainstorming * UwrXum * (+14696)
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[[Talk:put-it-on-the-wiki]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:put-it-on-the-wiki * NtvDb9 * (+14504)
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MattBowen is Matt Bowen and can be found online at http://m.odul.us
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SignpostMarv is a WordPress, Second Life and OpenID geek
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SignpostMarv is a WordPress, Second Life and OpenID geek
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[[rest/urls]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/urls&diff=0&oldid=22174 * StephenBannasch * (+123) Client Error -
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[[reltag]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=reltag&diff=0&oldid=22175 * Tantek * (-14558) Reverted edit of AbaQug, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:AbaQug" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:UwrXum" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:NtvDb9" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:xfolk-brainstorming": spam
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:put-it-on-the-wiki": spam
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[[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=22176 * Tantek * (+45) moved psyc to a non-web based alternative approach section - it seems to be a completely separate stack of technologies from everything else
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[[Talk:rest-proposal-preso]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rest-proposal-preso * HlrHtr * (+15030)
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[[Talk:attention-brainstorming]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:attention-brainstorming * SlxGlf * (+13336)
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[[Talk:citation-examples-markup-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:citation-examples-markup-fr * TfhHjw * (+14162)
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) deleted "Talk:rest-proposal-preso": spam
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) deleted "Talk:attention-brainstorming": spam
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) deleted "Talk:citation-examples-markup-fr": spam
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[[user-interface-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=22177 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3578) [fr:sync'd]
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[[Talk:mars-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:mars-examples * QbsGcw * (+15298)
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[[Talk:events/2006-07-11-an-event-apart-microformats]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:events/2006-07-11-an-event-apart-microformats * QhsI80 * (+15277)
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22178 * ChrisNewell * (+21) General information -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22179 * ChrisNewell * (+10) General information -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22180 * ChrisNewell * (+2) General information -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22181 * ChrisNewell * (+1) Technical information -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22182 * AndyMabbett * (+38) bandwidth could use "measure" microformat
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[[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=22183 * AndyMabbett * (+302) route, track, waypoint; existing-rel-values
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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[[firefox-extensions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=22184 * AndyMabbett * (+108) see user-interface
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[[firefox-extensions]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=22185 * AndyMabbett * (+22) Operator - update URL
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22186 * ChrisNewell * (+69) General information -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22187 * ChrisNewell * (+153) Comments -
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[[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=existing-rel-values&diff=0&oldid=22188 * AndyMabbett * (+161) unspecified - specified
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22189 * ChrisNewell * (+15) General information -
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[[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=existing-rel-values&diff=0&oldid=22190 * AndyMabbett * (+112) lightbox
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22191 * ChrisNewell * (+269) Combining with other microformats -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22192 * ChrisNewell * (-17) General information -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22193 * ChrisNewell * (+89) General information -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22194 * ChrisNewell * (+89) hAudio & hVideo -
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[[User:Evan]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Evan&diff=0&oldid=22195 * Vi8Fq4 * (+14493)
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[[existing-rel-values]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=existing-rel-values&diff=0&oldid=22196 * AndyMabbett * (+9) formats - fmt
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22197 * ChrisNewell * (-85) hAudio & hVideo -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22198 * ChrisNewell * (-58) General information -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=22199 * DavidFq * (+115) New Examples -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22200 * ChrisNewell * (+36) Technical information -
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[[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=22201 * DavidFq * (+152) New Examples -
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[[recipe-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=22202 * Phae * (+315) cooker.net
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[[recipe-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=22203 * Phae * (-2) www.cooker.net - Muffins Zucca e Radicchio -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22204 * AndyMabbett * (-15) Comments - fmt & copy edit
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22205 * ChrisNewell * (+208) Technical information -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22206 * ChrisNewell * (+1) Extend scope of hAudio and hVideo -
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22207 * ChrisNewell * (-3) hReview -
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[[broadcast-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-examples&diff=0&oldid=22208 * ChrisNewell * (+163) Existing Practices -
- [10:51:11] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
good morning folks :P
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>>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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tantek_: do you never think to create a browser engine with full suport for microformts?
- [11:02:23] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
or this you think desnecessary?
- [11:02:49] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
trident e gecko have full suport for microformts?
- [11:04:32] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek: ^
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[[xfolk-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=22209 * Yk1Ael * (+14498)
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=22210 * AndyMabbett * (+24) moving last to "problems"
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-with-problems]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-with-problems&diff=0&oldid=22211 * AndyMabbett * (+324) 11870.com lcoality lacks adr
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-with-problems]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-with-problems&diff=0&oldid=22212 * AndyMabbett * (+59) sign my last
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[[User talk:DavidFq]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:DavidFq * AndyMabbett * (+270) Welcome & bug report
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[[tfl-syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=tfl-syntax&diff=0&oldid=22213 * LziZ44 * (+14422)
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22214 * ChrisNewell * (+271) hCard -
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[[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=22215 * DavidFq * (+10) New Examples -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-with-problems]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-with-problems&diff=0&oldid=22216 * DavidFq * (-114) Examples with problems -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-with-problems]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-with-problems&diff=0&oldid=22217 * DavidFq * (-132) Examples with problems -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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Is Dmitry Baranovskiy online ever?
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- [14:30:24] <dglazkov>
mkaply, can you elaborate just a touch more on the last post on your blog?
- [14:30:34] <dglazkov>
was my comment in line with your thinking?
- [14:30:55] <mkaply>
dglazkov: Somewhat.
- [14:31:04] <mkaply>
dglazkov: Here's the problem.
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dglazkov: Let's say I wanted to add support to Firefox for taking an hCard and sending it to Yahoo Contacts.
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In Operator, I accomplish that by having a ton of JAvaScript that takes an hCard and munges it into the format that Yahoo wants
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Same thing for a calendar entry or something else.
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But the idea that there would be this custom bit of JS for every service Firefox wanted to support is kind of silly.
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There should be some sort of standard representation of the data in Firefox and some sort of standard service on the other end I can send the data to
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So that the connection is a matter of saying "here's a URL, POST the hCard to the URL"
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or "here's the URL, and the GET syntax is the same for everyone"
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right
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the JSON stuff is interesting, but I disagree with some of the JSON that Optimus is producing, for instance
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so, out of the bat, my response was, use HTML spec
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And as I think more about it, I'm not sure that's the right mode of exchange
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Since I'm going to have code in Firefox to convert stuff to a VCARD anyway, what I'm thinking there should be...
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is Yahoo should have a way to post a vCard to Yahoo Contacts.
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something like APP?
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for vcs/ics?
- [14:34:55] <mkaply>
dglazkov: yeah
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that makes sense, but...
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using x-ww... has a pretty cool advantage: it can be represented in a browser as a form
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so the user can enter the event... and the machine can do it, too
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[[broadcast-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=broadcast-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22225 * ChrisNewell * (-2) hCard -
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so, the path is:
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1. make their existing forms use names that correspond to x-ww.. encoding of the format
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2. advertise action of the form as machine end-point
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no?
- [14:38:15] <mkaply>
yeah. That's a definite advantage of the form side of things.
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but I can totally see the effciency savings on vcs-APP
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hold on, doesn't APP have resources stuff..
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yeah, media resources
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that should work, too
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kludgy.. must create two entries...
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Of course Google sucks in that don't allow remote access to contacts at all
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that's a pretty strange ommission
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considering how extensive the rest of the stuff is
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though I bet that's not going to be for long
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I'm thinking there needs to be more time spent on the microformats<->JSON thing. Some of the stuff Optimus is doing doesn't work well, and I'm worried it will become "the standard"
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like?
- [14:53:06] <mkaply>
like if there is one url it does "url" : "http://www.yahoo.com" - for multiples - "url" : ["http://www.yahoo.com","http://www.google.com"]
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I think that if an attribute in a microformat is plural it should always be represented as an array
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Otherwise it's more difficult to figure out the JSON.
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oh, I have actually seen this
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You have to spend time figuring if it is an array or not
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if there's just one hcard, it's hcard: value, but if more than one, hcard: [...]
- [14:54:05] <mkaply>
yah.
- [14:54:05] <dglazkov>
you're right, not kosher
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yeah.
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Also, I believe the JSON spec says all strings must be in quotes
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Dmitry is a pretty nice guy, you should just email him, he'll fix it
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Well what we need to figure out is the "right thing"
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ha
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array is the right thing, no doubt
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I can send an email to the -dev list
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I asked him to put the proj on Google code
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JSON serialization of microformats
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should be standardized, no doubt
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ryanking, kevinmarks, and myself have discussed this in context of test cases
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but it's probably needed in a wider perspective, now that Optimus has arrived
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- [17:22:15] <CaptSolo>
dglazkov: why would you need a JSON serialisation of mformats?
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from what i hear microformats are supposed to be visible on a web page
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JSON is not
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CaptSolo: mainly to send the microformatted data to another service. An easy encpsuatlion. Wouldn't really want to send the DOM snippet.
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It could be sent as raw DOM, JSON, XML, or native (vcard/ics)
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mkaply: agreed that sending or storing microformats as DOM snippets is not the best
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between services, that is
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vcard seems like it might be a good idea, but Writing a vcard parser would be no fun :)
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simply because vcard is a "common interchange"
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but the problem there is that not all microformats have a "common interchange"
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was playing devil's advocate a but, in line with what KevinMarks wrote about FOAF:
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and their common interchanges aren't easy to combine
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11:11 < KevinMarks> you're wrong about XFN
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11:11 < KevinMarks> URLs are people too
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11:12 < KevinMarks> and adding a has to an mf makes some sense
- [17:33:11] <CaptSolo>
11:12 < KevinMarks> the big problem with FOAF is that it is invisible
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11:13 < KevinMarks> and matching email hashes only works if you stick to one email
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11:13 < KevinMarks> whereas profile URLs are more persistent
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about the big problem of FOAF being invisible
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to me it is not self evident that all data should be both visible and machine readable
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it's great if visible data on the web can generate structured information
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but i see no proof that data should always be represented as HTML and visible.
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CaptSolo: no one said it always should be in HTML
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but when the data's already in HTML, it can be marked up such that a machine can grok it
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kingryan: sure. i'm all for getting more data out of HTML
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then you're in the right place :)
- [17:36:45] <CaptSolo>
but then it's not a problem with FOAF that it is not visible or not HTML, as long as there are applications that can make good use of FOAF
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kingryan: i hope so :)
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ok, turns out that the comments are not broken
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they were just waiting for moderation
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- [17:47:42] <jeffmcneill>
Aloha everyone, quick question: why <div> instead of <span> with some parts of <adr> (e.g., <div class="country-name">)
- [17:47:59] <kingryan>
jeffmcneill: the element name is irrelevant
- [17:48:02] <kingryan>
you can use whatever you want
- [17:48:06] <jeffmcneill>
I cannot seem to find a rationale but do find variety out there
- [17:48:12] <jeffmcneill>
is there a common practice?
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- [17:53:26] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: ok, since comments are working ok, here's the blog post
- [17:53:44] <CaptSolo>
http://tinyurl.com/2wvcf5
- [17:54:04] <CaptSolo>
on the use of FOAF for Social Network Portability
- [17:54:37] <CaptSolo>
would be interesting to see what people around here think about it
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- [17:56:53] <mkaply>
jeffmcneill: no common practice. It's all about what you need in your HTML
- [17:57:25] <jeffmcneill>
much thanks mkaply and kingryan
- [17:57:51] <jeffmcneill>
btw mkaply, love OPERATOR, thank you
- [17:58:06] <mkaply>
jeffmcneill: thank you for the kind words
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- [17:58:37] <CaptSolo>
mkaply, kingryan: what's the problem with "common interchange(s)" or lack of them?
- [17:58:43] <CaptSolo>
20:32 < mkaply> but the problem there is that not all microformats have a "common interchange"
- [17:58:48] <CaptSolo>
20:32 <@kingryan> and their common interchanges aren't easy to combine
- [17:59:17] <mkaply>
CaptSolo: I was simply pointing out that while hcard has vcard and hcalendar has vevent/vcalendar, none of the others have a "real world" option (except I guess hAtom)
- [17:59:23] <kingryan>
the lack of them is a problem because people want to use them and they don't exist :)
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- [17:59:54] <kingryan>
and another problem is that a bunch of people are doing JSON differently - if we're gonna have microformatted data in JSON we might as well all do it the same way
- [18:00:30] <CaptSolo>
people want some way to interchange data contained in a microformat (other than in HTML) and it does not exist for all of them?
- [18:01:05] <kingryan>
people want to take the result of parsing data out of microformats and exchange that in a more lightweight way (than exchanging the HTML)
- [18:01:07] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: is it only a problem with people that they want things they do not really need?
- [18:01:20] <kingryan>
I don't think so.
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- [18:01:30] <kingryan>
I use JSON to pass data around internally at technorati
- [18:01:51] <CaptSolo>
ideally, i would want to express all the information from different microformats in a generic way
- [18:02:30] <bewest>
you can always use the html fragment containing the microformat itself
- [18:02:34] <bewest>
gzip works wonders
- [18:02:39] <CaptSolo>
so that there is a universal format, more useful to services than DOM, to transport this info
- [18:02:58] <CaptSolo>
using html fragments is to the best, i think
- [18:03:21] <kingryan>
yeah, bewest , but not all my coworkers want to parse microformats
- [18:03:28] <CaptSolo>
gzip may work wonders, but how would you build a database that can contain anyarbitrary microformats?
- [18:03:37] <CaptSolo>
keep them in html fragments?
- [18:04:07] <CaptSolo>
that's the default serialisaiton, but i really doubt it will make for efficient querying
- [18:04:29] <bewest>
doesn't GRDDL solve this?
- [18:04:39] <mfbot>
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- [18:04:46] <kingryan>
databases with arbitrary schemas are out of scope for microformats
- [18:04:49] <CaptSolo>
also, when parsing microformats from HTML, aren't there many special cases that have to be taken into account?
- [18:05:17] <kingryan>
why do special cases matter in this context?
- [18:05:17] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: are you saying that you can not store all the microformats in a generic format in a database?
- [18:05:31] <kingryan>
I'm saying you could, but that's not the problem we're trying to solve here
- [18:05:33] <CaptSolo>
and have to create tables for each microformat in question?
- [18:05:52] <kingryan>
CaptSolo: you can do whatever you want to store them
- [18:05:53] <CaptSolo>
one for address book entries, one for calendar entries, one for reviews, ...
- [18:06:00] <kingryan>
that's one approach
- [18:06:10] <bewest>
sounds like an application specific problem
- [18:06:13] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: what are the other options?
- [18:06:41] <kingryan>
CaptSolo: as I said, this is not the right place to discuss that. I recommend reading a textbook on data managment.
- [18:08:01] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: so - is generic storage / querying of microformat data is outside the scope of #microformats?
- [18:08:12] <kingryan>
that's what I'm trying to say
- [18:08:22] <CaptSolo>
ok, will know
- [18:08:35] <kingryan>
it's way too application specific
- [18:09:12] <CaptSolo>
isn't JSON serialisation trying to solve similar questions
- [18:09:19] <jeffmcneill>
speaking of applications, are there any folks interested in getting mediawiki to support microformats?
- [18:09:22] <kingryan>
CaptSolo: no
- [18:09:37] <CaptSolo>
once you have a universal way to serialise them to JSON, my question is almost solved too
- [18:09:55] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: i think those are closely related.
- [18:09:56] <kingryan>
CaptSolo: it's just talking about representing data when being transmitted or exchanged. how you store it on disk or query for it is very different
- [18:10:19] <kingryan>
jeffmcneill: there's some support in wikipedia already
- [18:10:45] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: oh, you might have missed my point. my question is not about physical storage, but about generic representation for data
- [18:10:46] <kingryan>
CaptSolo: I disagree.
- [18:10:49] <CaptSolo>
which JSON seems to be
- [18:11:11] <kingryan>
CaptSolo: I didn't miss your point.
- [18:11:40] <kingryan>
you asked about "generic storage" which is not the same as "generic representation"
- [18:11:55] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: but that means that you'll be "locking" microformat data in silos again - each format will go to its own specific application
- [18:11:57] <kingryan>
(physical vs abstract schemas)
- [18:12:05] <kingryan>
CaptSolo: no we're not
- [18:12:06] <CaptSolo>
one to address book, another to calendar, and so on
- [18:12:10] <kingryan>
no, no no
- [18:12:15] <CaptSolo>
really?
- [18:12:41] <CaptSolo>
while the data are on the web that's ok
- [18:12:42] <kingryan>
all I'm saying is that if you want to build an application using microformats, your application will have more to say about how to store and query the data than the format will
- [18:13:07] <kingryan>
I've taken at least 3 different approaches to storing them, and they each had their merits
- [18:13:08] <jeffmcneill>
kingryan i am reading this http://microformats.org/wiki/mediawiki-mark-up-issues but still am a little unclear on what is broken (microformats-wise) by a vanilla mediawiki install and what to try and fix
- [18:13:31] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: would be interesting explore that more.
- [18:13:51] <kingryan>
CaptSolo: I'm not saying it shouldn't be explored. I'm just saying "not here".
- [18:13:59] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: are those 3 different approaches described somewhere on the wiki?
- [18:14:04] <kingryan>
no
- [18:14:11] <CaptSolo>
:/
- [18:14:19] <CaptSolo>
what are they, anyway?
- [18:14:25] <bewest>
an application keeping a cache of data ready to operate on isn't the same as a data silo, CaptSolo
- [18:14:25] <CaptSolo>
html snippets is one
- [18:14:45] <kingryan>
html snippets, relational databases and inverted indexes
- [18:15:56] <CaptSolo>
html snippets provide generic storage, in RDBMSs the storage will probably be format specifci
- [18:16:00] <CaptSolo>
what about interted indexes?
- [18:16:05] <kingryan>
what about them?
- [18:16:19] <CaptSolo>
how do you use them?
- [18:16:45] <kingryan>
I'm sorry, CaptSolo but I don't have time to explain the details of how I've used them.
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- [18:17:00] <CaptSolo>
pitty. 'd be interesting.
- [18:17:02] <CaptSolo>
ok, thanks
- [18:17:14] <kingryan>
and it's mostly dependent on internal tech we have at technorati
- [18:18:36] <CaptSolo>
kingryan: ok, you work at technorati. then you have worked with this a lot.
- [18:18:46] <kingryan>
yes
- [18:20:11] <CaptSolo>
ok, i wont bore with my naive questions then :>
- [18:21:04] <CaptSolo>
i am trying to see how different structured data formats can work together on the web. but am not an expert on microformats, not at all. that's why i ask them.
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- [18:25:09] <dglazkov>
ok, so, /json-examples
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on wiki?
- [18:25:18] <dglazkov>
what's a good name?
- [18:25:38] <dglazkov>
CaptSolo, kingryan: you are both right
- [18:25:54] * dglazkov was once told that this is a great way to diffuse any argument
- [18:28:11] <CaptSolo>
dglazkov: :D
- [18:28:42] <dglazkov>
;)
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- [18:33:12] <mkaply>
actually, to back up, HTML fragements are not good because they might not contain all the data
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- [18:34:46] <mkaply>
They are missing fully qualified URLs and possibly includes. Plus as kingryan pointed out, not everyone wants to build a microformats parser
- [18:35:10] <kingryan>
mkaply: you can get around the urls and includes problem
- [18:35:16] <kingryan>
but inlining that data
- [18:35:33] <mkaply>
kingryan: True. And I do that. But passing around the original HTML just seems clunky.
- [18:35:42] <kingryan>
I agree
- [18:35:55] <mkaply>
If I've gone through the trouble of parsing the microformat, why shouldn't I send to a service the most efficient way possible?
- [18:36:15] <mkaply>
Of course first we need to get services to support sending anything at all :)
- [18:36:30] <kingryan>
yeah
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- [18:37:23] <bewest>
again, GRDDL solves a lot of that
- [18:38:09] <kingryan>
no, bewest, grddl provides tools for solving it
- [18:38:27] <kingryan>
you still have to decide on schemas and serializations and such
- [18:38:30] * bewest is corrected
- [18:39:00] <kingryan>
the schema and serialization is the hard part, 'cause you gotta get consensus on it
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- [18:40:28] <mkaply>
And you want something that people are willing to accept.
- [18:40:41] <mkaply>
Somehow I think saying "let's have everyone accept RDF" isn't the best strategy
- [18:41:46] <jeffmcneill>
mkaply hasn't worked so far :P
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- [18:42:16] <CaptSolo>
mkaply: that won't be too popular in web2.0 community
- [18:43:36] <mkaply>
That's why I like JSON. It has uptake
- [18:44:14] <bewest>
you can chain webservices together... you can use GRDLL to go to RDF, and daisy chain that into a json transform
- [18:44:31] <CaptSolo>
mkaply: microformats + GRDDL + generic RDF stores should work together ok, and can be one of the options for generic storage of this information.
- [18:44:54] * dglazkov likes x-www-form-encoded, because it's dead simple and it's part of HTML spec, and you can make an HTML form that generates it
- [18:44:57] <bewest>
the other nice things about the web service model is that you can tell the web service what kind of serialization you expect to recieve, which helps cut down on the number of implementations necessary
- [18:45:14] <CaptSolo>
mkaply: but i won't expect it to be people's favorite.
- [18:45:15] <bewest>
dglazkov: yeah, I use it for lots of things for those reasons
- [18:45:36] <bewest>
CaptSolo: how applications store data will be determined by the applications needs
- [18:46:03] <bewest>
CaptSolo: it's typically trivial for an application to serialize it's data to match an agreed upon standard for how some data should be exchanged
- [18:46:31] <CaptSolo>
bewest: true. i was responding to "let's have everyine accept RDF" part
- [18:46:45] <bewest>
CaptSolo: accepting RDF doesn't mean you use an RDF store, necessarily though
- [18:47:11] <bewest>
storage is outside of the scope of communicating data
- [18:47:39] <CaptSolo>
bewest: no. opposive is true as well, using RDF store does not mean you can't expose data as HTML, XML, JSON, ...
- [18:47:47] <CaptSolo>
agreed
- [18:49:15] <CaptSolo>
bewest: in the daisy chaining example you mentioned - did you mean using GRDDL to go to RDF and then get JSON from RDF?
- [18:49:26] <bewest>
sure, that's one possibility
- [18:50:36] <CaptSolo>
'd be interesting to see what webservices chaining mashups people will come up with
- [18:51:59] <bewest>
there are lots already out there
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bewest: lots of webservice chaining examples? well, there are Yahoo Pipes, but isn't that more of a mashup builder?
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- [19:00:43] <bewest>
CaptSolo: I don't know of any site that catalogues pipeable web services
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- [19:03:17] <bewest>
CaptSolo: lots of these services take parameters where the value is a URI to another resource
- [19:03:36] <bewest>
CaptSolo: so the technique is fairly simple... you tell the service to use a URI that is the result of another webservice
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[[events/2007-10-02-dallas-ruby-brigade]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-02-dallas-ruby-brigade&diff=0&oldid=22265 * Cgriego * (+62) updating attendees
- [19:09:53] <CaptSolo>
bewest: sure, the principle is simple. wish i had more time to play w. those
- [19:11:25] <mkaply>
The interesting part is transcoding that data to services that don't have the ability to accept that data
- [19:11:41] <mkaply>
For instance, how do I send a microformat to yahoo contacts?
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mkaply: so you need mediation services
- [19:13:31] <CaptSolo>
mkaply: what formats would those yahoo contacts accept?
- [19:23:14] <mkaply>
well yahoo contacts only accept a URL right now. Operator converts a microformat to a URL with params
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- [19:29:15] <dglazkov>
so, are we doing a wiki page for json serialization? What's a good title?
- [19:34:24] <dglazkov>
json-serialization-examples?
- [19:34:43] <dglazkov>
uf-json-examples?
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- [19:37:23] <mkaply>
well it's microformats.org - how about just wiki/json
- [19:38:24] <dglazkov>
doh
- [19:38:45] <dglazkov>
ryanking, kevinmarks, ok to do?
- [19:42:27] <dglazkov>
!(?permission) -> forgiveness
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- [19:43:12] <jeffmcneill>
dglazkov: wiki pages can always be moved, go for it!
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too bad I gtg now, but everyone's welcome to start documenting JSON as it is used in ryanking's test, for starters.
- [19:45:16] <dglazkov>
and of course, Operator's way, if different
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+ Optimus
- [19:46:07] <dglazkov>
starting point for tests: http://hg.microformats/org/tests
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sorry: http://hg.microformats.org/tests
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SignpostMarv is a WordPress, Second Life and OpenID geek
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) blocked "User:Ag7Xxz" with an expiry time of indefinite: spam
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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[[citation-recommendation]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-recommendation&diff=0&oldid=22269 * DroS92 * (+14497)
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[[json]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=json&diff=0&oldid=22270 * AndyMabbett * (+603) About JSON
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[[JSON]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/JSON * AndyMabbett * (+18)
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[[xoxo-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-issues&diff=0&oldid=22271 * JeffMcNeill * (-10614) revert from spam to last tantek edit
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[[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=22272 * AndyMabbett * (+211) JSON
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Hixie is the iron fist of standards compliance
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[[Talk:cheat-sheet]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:cheat-sheet * PwfUy5 * (+14237)
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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Hagfish is Any of various primitive, eel-shaped marine fishes of the family Myxinidae, having a jawless sucking mouth equipped with rasping teeth with which they bore into and feed on other fishes.
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