IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-10-15
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[[video-metadata-model]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-metadata-model&diff=0&oldid=22602 * BsjB07 * (+14396)
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[[video-metadata-model]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-metadata-model&diff=0&oldid=22603 * JeffMcNeill * (-14396) revert from spammer **possible to get captcha implemented?**
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:openid-brainstorming": spam
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=22604 * ManuSporny * (+84) Added new contributors to contributors list
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=22605 * AnswerYeS * (+138) Examples To Act On -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[events/2007-10-04-fundamentos-web-social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-04-fundamentos-web-social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=22606 * Tantek * (+332) added some photos
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[[events/2007-10-04-fundamentos-web-social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-04-fundamentos-web-social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=22607 * Tantek * (+112)
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[[events/2007-10-05-fundamentos-web-microformats-workshop]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-05-fundamentos-web-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=22608 * Tantek * (+6)
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[[events/2007-10-05-fundamentos-web-microformats-workshop]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-05-fundamentos-web-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=22609 * Tantek * (+20)
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[[events/2007-10-04-fundamentos-web-social-network-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-04-fundamentos-web-social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=22610 * Tantek * (+20)
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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blueace is Robert Gaal, some Dutch guy from http://wakoopa.com and http://53miles.com
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[uid]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=uid&diff=0&oldid=22611 * Hs2Kqh * (+14247)
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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bluesmoon is Philip <http://bluesmoon.info> and does things at Yahoo! and likes food and hacking
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=22612 * AndyMabbett * (+110) New Examples - cite specifc page for last
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=22613 * JeffMcNeill * (+244) added wikipedia/mediawiki citation templates to list of formats
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[[User talk:AnswerYeS]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:AnswerYeS * AndyMabbett * (+73) Welcome!
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[[rel]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel&diff=0&oldid=22614 * AndyMabbett * (+25) disambiguate
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[[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=existing-rel-values&diff=0&oldid=22615 * AndyMabbett * (+256) brainstorming - bibliography
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julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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[[elemental microformats]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/elemental_microformats * Tantek * (+35)
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[[User:Ascarida]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Ascarida * Ascarida * (+19)
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[[events/2007-10-05-fundamentos-web-microformats-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-05-fundamentos-web-microformats-workshop&diff=0&oldid=22616 * Ascarida * (+38) Attending -
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[[rel]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel&diff=0&oldid=22617 * Tantek * (+1062) define rel briefly, list popular rel microformats per Google study, then see also
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[[events/2007-10-04-fundamentos-web-social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-04-fundamentos-web-social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=22618 * Ascarida * (+38) attendees -
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Hs2Kqh" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[uid]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=uid&diff=0&oldid=22619 * Tantek * (-14247) Reverted edit of Hs2Kqh, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22620 * Tantek * (+1058) Relationships - follow-up to several brainstorms with reasons why unnecessary or undesirable, along with some clarifications
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[[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=existing-rel-values&diff=0&oldid=22621 * Tantek * (+358) move some values incorrectly added to "formats" section down to POSH usage, cite a /TR/ URL for a W3C spec, rm incompleteness note, as most lists appear to be fairly complete now
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=22622 * Tantek * (+167) added links to Galician and Arabic wiki home pages
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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[[Talk:RelFAQ]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:RelFAQ * XeiUtm * (+13290)
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jimbojw is Jim R. Wilson of http://jimbojw.com/
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:XeiUtm" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:RelFAQ": spam
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=22623 * ManuSporny * (+3) Complete Album Example -
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.1.2 "atom:entry elements MUST NOT contain more than one atom:summary element." and http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom "an Entry MAY have 0 or more Entry Summary elements. The "logical Entry Summary" of an Entry is the concatenation, in order of appearance, of all the Entry Summarys within the Entry"
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is this because the microformat parser is a layer on top
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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[[Template:rel-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:rel-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=22624 * AndyMabbett * (+10) rel
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[[genealogy-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=22625 * AndyMabbett * (+502) refute supposed explaantions of unecessaryness. Whatever happend to considering evidence?
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somebody have the Bot Source of the mfbot ???
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gsnedders is a mad teenager from Scotland who occasionally blogs at <http://geoffers.uni.cc/>
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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could anyone comment on this:
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http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.1.2 "atom:entry elements MUST NOT contain more than one atom:summary element." and http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom "an Entry MAY have 0 or more Entry Summary elements. The "logical Entry Summary" of an Entry is the concatenation, in order of appearance, of all the Entry Summarys within the Entry"
- [18:08:17] <kingryan>
what kind of comment would you like?
- [18:08:24] <kingryan>
in other words, is that a question?
- [18:09:12] <csarven>
there is a difference between the two and im wondering if a microformat parser supposed to handle the concatenation part?
- [18:09:37] <hober>
in the abstract, there's no difference, as both atom and hatom have one logical entry summary
- [18:09:55] <kingryan>
a microformat parser that's converting from hatom to atom must concatenate multiple hatom summaries into a single atom summary
- [18:10:24] <csarven>
if im not mistaken an hatom is not really an hatom until it is parsed, otherwise the hatom would contain multiple summaries and that would not be a one-to-one map to the Atom format
- [18:10:55] <hober>
err
- [18:11:24] <hober>
hatom is hatom, regardless of whether any parsers exist
- [18:11:25] <csarven>
alright, i think kingryan answered my question. thanks
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- [18:12:08] <kingryan>
hober: atom and atom are (mostly?) isomorphic. the process for translating them isn't always simple, though. :)
- [18:12:19] <hober>
kingryan: right, exactly
- [18:12:21] <csarven>
hober i suppose what i meant was that the markup for hatom is not a correct atom format until it is actually parsed
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and converted to atom
- [18:12:57] <hober>
csarven: but that's simply true of any microformat based on some pre-existing format
- [18:13:04] <kingryan>
csarven: there's 2 things going on here: 1. how to do hatom markup. 2. how to convert hatom to atom
- [18:13:06] <csarven>
right
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hCard isn't vcard until converted to vcard, but so what?
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