IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-10-17

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  1. [00:03:20] <mfbot> [[User:WebOrganics]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:WebOrganics&diff=0&oldid=22650 * WebOrganics * (-70)
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  11. [01:31:25] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=22651 * Dirs * (+126) Live example -
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  16. [01:33:44] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  31. [03:38:33] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  32. [03:38:44] <BSlivka> Apple Data Detectors
  33. [03:38:57] <BSlivka> How do you guys feel about this?
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  36. [03:56:58] <kingryan> BSlivka: never heard of them
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  38. [03:58:07] <BSlivka> It's a new feature of Leopard
  39. [03:58:20] <BSlivka> Mail will automatically detect addresses, phone numbers and dates
  40. [03:58:32] <BSlivka> and give context menus to import into an address book
  41. [03:58:34] <BSlivka> or ical
  42. [03:59:03] <kingryan> looks like its actually old tech: http://developer.apple.com/adcnews/pastissues/devnews031398.html
  43. [04:00:07] <BSlivka> That's interesting
  44. [04:00:15] <BSlivka> there it only mentions email addresses though...
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  46. [04:00:24] <BSlivka> and web addresses
  47. [04:00:48] <BSlivka> In the new 300+ feature list, it shows a diagram of a street address being recognized
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  49. [04:02:04] <BSlivka> Perhaps they have just upgraded data detectors
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  57. [04:40:08] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  71. [05:32:53] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  76. [06:08:05] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  80. [06:16:52] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  83. [06:32:03] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  96. [07:48:58] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  99. [07:54:46] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  101. [07:54:52] <jibot> blueace is Robert Gaal, some Dutch guy from http://wakoopa.com and http://53miles.com
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  103. [07:59:13] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  104. [08:12:39] <mfbot> [[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=22652 * AndyMabbett * (+47) restore grammar fix; accessbility fix and mail-list clarification
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  108. [08:36:04] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  113. [09:31:37] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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  117. [10:27:44] <jibot> bluesmoon is Philip <http://bluesmoon.info> and does things at Yahoo! and likes food and hacking
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  127. [11:28:03] <mfbot> [[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=22653 * AndyMabbett * (+171) Other hCard - UK aircraft register
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  132. [12:10:04] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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  134. [12:12:24] <jibot> blueace is Robert Gaal, some Dutch guy from http://wakoopa.com and http://53miles.com
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  145. [14:01:38] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  150. [14:27:45] <csarven-> can anyone tell me why Tails shows duplicate hatom (blog post) for the first entry here: http://www.csarven.ca/
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  154. [14:47:12] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  156. [14:48:57] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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  161. [15:20:58] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  167. [15:47:16] <mfbot> [[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=22654 * AndyMabbett * (+88) Trade directories - Store locators
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  169. [15:53:12] <mfbot> [[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=22655 * AndyMabbett * (+437) Store locators - more
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  181. [16:47:18] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  184. [16:48:21] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  188. [17:00:18] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  189. [17:02:17] <csarven-> can anyone tell me why Tails shows duplicate hatoms (blog posts) for the first entry here: http://www.csarven.ca/
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  194. [17:04:16] <hober> csarven: #content.hentry contains many li.hentry
  195. [17:04:48] <hober> Maybe you meant to have class="main hfeed" on #content?
  196. [17:06:33] <csarven-> oh good call! totally missed that. thank you.
  197. [17:06:59] <hober> np
  198. [17:07:13] <csarven-> theres no need for hfeed on content.. i use hfeed on body
  199. [17:07:33] <hober> the page itself is an implicit hfeed, so you don't need the class at all
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  201. [17:08:19] <csarven-> really? i thought we had to define hfeed
  202. [17:08:27] <csarven-> does this mean that you can't define two different feeds on the same page?
  203. [17:09:16] <hober> Well, if you want multiple hfeeds on a page, go ahead and do that
  204. [17:09:48] <hober> but if there's no .hfeed on a page, all of the hentries on the page are taken to be in an implicit hfeed
  205. [17:12:48] <csarven-> gotcha
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  208. [17:27:17] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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  215. [17:40:44] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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  222. [18:18:12] <hober> tantek, for TxtShorthands: http://twitter.com/wlai/statuses/343069872
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  227. [18:46:28] <jibot> epeus is Kevin Marks and kevinmarks and the new bodysnatcher
  228. [18:48:42] <kingryan> hober: that pages is 404 now
  229. [18:49:48] <hober> :(
  230. [18:49:53] <hober> it was a neologism proposal
  231. [18:50:08] <hober> 'twim' -- to trim a message down to 140 chars or less, by using shorthand, etc.
  232. [18:50:38] <hober> http://twitter.com/wlai/statuses/343082832
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  234. [18:53:32] <kingryan> nice
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  245. [19:22:55] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  252. [20:22:06] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  254. [20:22:39] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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  259. [20:52:07] <jeffmcneil1> ?karma
  260. [20:52:07] <jibot> Karma Dump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
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  265. [21:00:39] <mfbot> [[book-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=book-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=22657 * NotWikiWord * (+38) Live example.
  266. [21:15:37] <jeffmcneill> ?quit
  267. [21:15:37] <jibot> Only my owners can do that
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  273. [21:43:05] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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  279. [21:58:04] <KevinMarks> more hCards at google: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2007/10/put-yourself-on-map.html
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  286. [22:18:28] <mfbot> [[book-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=book-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=22658 * Tantek * (-38) Reverted edit of NotWikiWord, changed back to last version by ChristopheDucamp
  287. [22:19:34] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:NotWikiWord" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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  291. [22:23:09] <kingryan> a spammer registered with "NotWikiWord"? that seems rather funny
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  293. [22:28:15] <hober> that's like getting the NOPLATE vanity license plate
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  295. [22:28:36] <kingryan> I'll bet it wasn't a spam bot
  296. [22:28:41] <kingryan> 'cause bots aren't funny
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  299. [22:39:22] <jeffmcneill> KevinMarks: If only the reviews were hReview compliant...
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  304. [22:53:52] <tantek> kingryan, yeah, i think it was an annoyed spammer
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  308. [23:06:41] <tantek> KevinMarks that's very cool
  309. [23:06:58] <tantek> plz add to microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild
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  313. [23:33:00] <hober> "To me, Microformats are to RDF as HTML 5 is to XHTML; on the surface they both appear to be a solution to the same problem, but the former misses the point as to why the latter was created."
  314. [23:33:03] <hober> http://www.semanticfocus.com/blog/entry/title/microformats-vs-rdf-how-microformats-relate-to-the-semantic-web/
  315. [23:33:24] <hober> The only thing I'd change in that quote is, I'd swap 'former' and 'latter'. :/
  316. [23:33:47] <kingryan> or mention that the "latters" have had their chance and failed?
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  318. [23:35:05] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  319. [23:36:47] <hober> indeed
  320. [23:37:41] <hober> One of the things Dennett talks about are "the varieties of free will worth having."
  321. [23:38:05] * kingryan doesn't follow
  322. [23:38:11] <hober> The idea being that some philosophical notions of free will *aren't* worth having
  323. [23:38:31] <hober> I think microformats are one of the varieties of 'semantic webness' worth having
  324. [23:38:36] <kingryan> are you connecting this to the "free will" given by open-ended systems like RDF?
  325. [23:38:40] <hober> no
  326. [23:38:59] <hober> I'm trying to say that microformats solve the worthwhile subset of problems RDF/semweb set out to solve
  327. [23:39:13] <hober> and the other parts of their problem space are probably not worth solving anyway
  328. [23:39:51] <hober> So saying "microformats don't solve these other parts of 'the problem'" miss the point
  329. [23:40:02] <bewest> what uf lacks: Resources are represented as URIs, allowing you to access metadata remotely
  330. [23:40:18] <bewest> not sure why that shows up in the "what rdf has and uf lacks" list
  331. [23:42:08] <bewest> the triple persistence thing is also confusing
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  335. [23:57:23] <kingryan> bewest: yeah, people tend to confuse "having URIs" with "having deferencable URIs"

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