IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-10-17
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[[User:WebOrganics]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:WebOrganics&diff=0&oldid=22650 * WebOrganics * (-70)
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=22651 * Dirs * (+126) Live example -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [03:38:33] <jibot>
kingryan is ryan king
- [03:38:44] <BSlivka>
Apple Data Detectors
- [03:38:57] <BSlivka>
How do you guys feel about this?
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- [03:56:58] <kingryan>
BSlivka: never heard of them
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It's a new feature of Leopard
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Mail will automatically detect addresses, phone numbers and dates
- [03:58:32] <BSlivka>
and give context menus to import into an address book
- [03:58:34] <BSlivka>
or ical
- [03:59:03] <kingryan>
looks like its actually old tech: http://developer.apple.com/adcnews/pastissues/devnews031398.html
- [04:00:07] <BSlivka>
That's interesting
- [04:00:15] <BSlivka>
there it only mentions email addresses though...
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- [04:00:24] <BSlivka>
and web addresses
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In the new 300+ feature list, it shows a diagram of a street address being recognized
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- [04:02:04] <BSlivka>
Perhaps they have just upgraded data detectors
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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blueace is Robert Gaal, some Dutch guy from http://wakoopa.com and http://53miles.com
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
- [08:12:39] <mfbot>
[[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=22652 * AndyMabbett * (+47) restore grammar fix; accessbility fix and mail-list clarification
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- [08:36:04] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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bluesmoon is Philip <http://bluesmoon.info> and does things at Yahoo! and likes food and hacking
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[[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=22653 * AndyMabbett * (+171) Other hCard - UK aircraft register
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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blueace is Robert Gaal, some Dutch guy from http://wakoopa.com and http://53miles.com
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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can anyone tell me why Tails shows duplicate hatom (blog post) for the first entry here: http://www.csarven.ca/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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[[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=22654 * AndyMabbett * (+88) Trade directories - Store locators
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[[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=22655 * AndyMabbett * (+437) Store locators - more
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[[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=22656 * AndyMabbett * (+29) Store locators -
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kingryan is ryan king
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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can anyone tell me why Tails shows duplicate hatoms (blog posts) for the first entry here: http://www.csarven.ca/
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csarven: #content.hentry contains many li.hentry
- [17:04:48] <hober>
Maybe you meant to have class="main hfeed" on #content?
- [17:06:33] <csarven->
oh good call! totally missed that. thank you.
- [17:06:59] <hober>
np
- [17:07:13] <csarven->
theres no need for hfeed on content.. i use hfeed on body
- [17:07:33] <hober>
the page itself is an implicit hfeed, so you don't need the class at all
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- [17:08:19] <csarven->
really? i thought we had to define hfeed
- [17:08:27] <csarven->
does this mean that you can't define two different feeds on the same page?
- [17:09:16] <hober>
Well, if you want multiple hfeeds on a page, go ahead and do that
- [17:09:48] <hober>
but if there's no .hfeed on a page, all of the hentries on the page are taken to be in an implicit hfeed
- [17:12:48] <csarven->
gotcha
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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- [18:18:12] <hober>
tantek, for TxtShorthands: http://twitter.com/wlai/statuses/343069872
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epeus is Kevin Marks and kevinmarks and the new bodysnatcher
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hober: that pages is 404 now
- [18:49:48] <hober>
:(
- [18:49:53] <hober>
it was a neologism proposal
- [18:50:08] <hober>
'twim' -- to trim a message down to 140 chars or less, by using shorthand, etc.
- [18:50:38] <hober>
http://twitter.com/wlai/statuses/343082832
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- [18:53:32] <kingryan>
nice
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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?karma
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Karma Dump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
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[[book-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=book-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=22657 * NotWikiWord * (+38) Live example.
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?quit
- [21:15:37] <jibot>
Only my owners can do that
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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- [21:58:04] <KevinMarks>
more hCards at google: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2007/10/put-yourself-on-map.html
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[[book-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=book-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=22658 * Tantek * (-38) Reverted edit of NotWikiWord, changed back to last version by ChristopheDucamp
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:NotWikiWord" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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- [22:23:09] <kingryan>
a spammer registered with "NotWikiWord"? that seems rather funny
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- [22:28:15] <hober>
that's like getting the NOPLATE vanity license plate
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I'll bet it wasn't a spam bot
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'cause bots aren't funny
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KevinMarks: If only the reviews were hReview compliant...
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kingryan, yeah, i think it was an annoyed spammer
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- [23:06:41] <tantek>
KevinMarks that's very cool
- [23:06:58] <tantek>
plz add to microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild
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"To me, Microformats are to RDF as HTML 5 is to XHTML; on the surface they both appear to be a solution to the same problem, but the former misses the point as to why the latter was created."
- [23:33:03] <hober>
http://www.semanticfocus.com/blog/entry/title/microformats-vs-rdf-how-microformats-relate-to-the-semantic-web/
- [23:33:24] <hober>
The only thing I'd change in that quote is, I'd swap 'former' and 'latter'. :/
- [23:33:47] <kingryan>
or mention that the "latters" have had their chance and failed?
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
- [23:36:47] <hober>
indeed
- [23:37:41] <hober>
One of the things Dennett talks about are "the varieties of free will worth having."
- [23:38:05] * kingryan doesn't follow
- [23:38:11] <hober>
The idea being that some philosophical notions of free will *aren't* worth having
- [23:38:31] <hober>
I think microformats are one of the varieties of 'semantic webness' worth having
- [23:38:36] <kingryan>
are you connecting this to the "free will" given by open-ended systems like RDF?
- [23:38:40] <hober>
no
- [23:38:59] <hober>
I'm trying to say that microformats solve the worthwhile subset of problems RDF/semweb set out to solve
- [23:39:13] <hober>
and the other parts of their problem space are probably not worth solving anyway
- [23:39:51] <hober>
So saying "microformats don't solve these other parts of 'the problem'" miss the point
- [23:40:02] <bewest>
what uf lacks: Resources are represented as URIs, allowing you to access metadata remotely
- [23:40:18] <bewest>
not sure why that shows up in the "what rdf has and uf lacks" list
- [23:42:08] <bewest>
the triple persistence thing is also confusing
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- [23:57:23] <kingryan>
bewest: yeah, people tend to confuse "having URIs" with "having deferencable URIs"
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