IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-11-28

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  6. [00:51:48] <dacc> does simply using xhtml tags and class params with good semantics count as microformat?
  7. [00:52:22] <bengold> no
  8. [00:53:45] <dacc> ah, hm
  9. [00:53:59] <dacc> basically i have some information that i want to structure and display
  10. [00:54:14] <bengold> what type of information?
  11. [00:54:31] <dacc> info from neurological experiments
  12. [00:54:42] <dacc> there's a data model, but generating straight xml from it is unreadable
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  14. [00:55:09] <bengold> hmm... I'm not the right person for this *explodes*
  15. [00:57:33] <dacc> heh
  16. [00:57:42] <dacc> maybe a microformat isn't what i need
  17. [00:57:47] <dacc> maybe i just need an xhtml view
  18. [00:57:53] <bengold> yeah it doesn't sound like it
  19. [00:58:33] <dacc> but from microformats.org i see things inheriting from xhtml
  20. [00:58:38] <dacc> that's what gave me the idea...
  21. [00:58:48] <dacc> you can extend xhtml with css, right?
  22. [00:59:15] <dacc> make up new tags, etc.
  23. [01:00:44] <bengold> yep
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  25. [01:08:20] <kingryan> dacc: you can't easily make up new tags in xhtml
  26. [01:08:30] <kingryan> you might want to start by reading http://microformats.org/wiki/posh
  27. [01:08:38] <dacc> hmm, yeah, just did
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  29. [01:14:35] <dacc> heh, so is POSH a microformat?
  30. [01:14:40] <dacc> a subset of xhtml, that is
  31. [01:15:49] <kingryan> no, posh is not a microformat
  32. [01:16:08] <kingryan> POSH is just good practice that should be followed before pursuing a microformat
  33. [01:16:18] <dacc> ah ok
  34. [01:16:55] <dacc> eek, this posh presentation says "throw div and span out the window"
  35. [01:17:38] <kingryan> dacc where?
  36. [01:18:01] <dacc> or rather, "last resort"
  37. [01:18:18] <kingryan> right.
  38. [01:18:26] <kingryan> div and span are essentially semantic-less
  39. [01:18:28] <dacc> i'd intended to structure major sections with divs.., is that appropriate?
  40. [01:18:35] <dacc> hmm, yeah
  41. [01:18:38] <kingryan> if there's another element that has the proper semantics, it should be used instead
  42. [01:18:56] <kingryan> dacc: unless there's another, more semantic element for stucturing the sections
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  47. [01:30:32] <dacc> hmm, looking at microformats like geo, they don't appear to add any tags to xhtml
  48. [01:31:03] <kingryan> dacc: that's right, the semantics of the geo microformat are in the class names, not the tag names
  49. [01:31:04] <dacc> so is geo not a microformat in terms of my original question? ("does simply using xhtml tags and class params with good semantics count as microformat?")
  50. [01:31:22] * dacc nods.
  51. [01:31:38] <kingryan> dacc: geo is a microformat, because it does what you were asking and more
  52. [01:31:57] <kingryan> it's the more (a shared vocabulary and specification that's widely useable) that makes it a microformat
  53. [01:32:29] <dacc> ah, ok
  54. [01:35:00] <dacc> ok, i think i get it
  55. [01:35:19] <dacc> so i need to find a way to purpose xhtml tags for the data i'm trying to structure as best as possible
  56. [01:35:30] <dacc> .. and create conventions for the structure using classes
  57. [01:35:35] <dacc> then style
  58. [01:35:42] <dacc> er then stylize
  59. [01:36:23] <kingryan> dacc: that sounds good
  60. [01:36:41] <dacc> hmm, still tough thinking of tags like <h1> in semantic vs presentational terms, heh
  61. [01:37:15] <kingryan> dacc: it might be more useful to think of sematnics vs stucture vs presentation
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  78. [04:09:10] <mfbot> [[openid-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=openid-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=23566 * SteveIvy * (+4) OpenID whitelist authentication for private hCard - updated diagram
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