IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-11-28
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- [00:51:48] <dacc>
does simply using xhtml tags and class params with good semantics count as microformat?
- [00:52:22] <bengold>
no
- [00:53:45] <dacc>
ah, hm
- [00:53:59] <dacc>
basically i have some information that i want to structure and display
- [00:54:14] <bengold>
what type of information?
- [00:54:31] <dacc>
info from neurological experiments
- [00:54:42] <dacc>
there's a data model, but generating straight xml from it is unreadable
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- [00:55:09] <bengold>
hmm... I'm not the right person for this *explodes*
- [00:57:33] <dacc>
heh
- [00:57:42] <dacc>
maybe a microformat isn't what i need
- [00:57:47] <dacc>
maybe i just need an xhtml view
- [00:57:53] <bengold>
yeah it doesn't sound like it
- [00:58:33] <dacc>
but from microformats.org i see things inheriting from xhtml
- [00:58:38] <dacc>
that's what gave me the idea...
- [00:58:48] <dacc>
you can extend xhtml with css, right?
- [00:59:15] <dacc>
make up new tags, etc.
- [01:00:44] <bengold>
yep
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- [01:08:20] <kingryan>
dacc: you can't easily make up new tags in xhtml
- [01:08:30] <kingryan>
you might want to start by reading http://microformats.org/wiki/posh
- [01:08:38] <dacc>
hmm, yeah, just did
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- [01:14:35] <dacc>
heh, so is POSH a microformat?
- [01:14:40] <dacc>
a subset of xhtml, that is
- [01:15:49] <kingryan>
no, posh is not a microformat
- [01:16:08] <kingryan>
POSH is just good practice that should be followed before pursuing a microformat
- [01:16:18] <dacc>
ah ok
- [01:16:55] <dacc>
eek, this posh presentation says "throw div and span out the window"
- [01:17:38] <kingryan>
dacc where?
- [01:18:01] <dacc>
or rather, "last resort"
- [01:18:18] <kingryan>
right.
- [01:18:26] <kingryan>
div and span are essentially semantic-less
- [01:18:28] <dacc>
i'd intended to structure major sections with divs.., is that appropriate?
- [01:18:35] <dacc>
hmm, yeah
- [01:18:38] <kingryan>
if there's another element that has the proper semantics, it should be used instead
- [01:18:56] <kingryan>
dacc: unless there's another, more semantic element for stucturing the sections
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- [01:30:32] <dacc>
hmm, looking at microformats like geo, they don't appear to add any tags to xhtml
- [01:31:03] <kingryan>
dacc: that's right, the semantics of the geo microformat are in the class names, not the tag names
- [01:31:04] <dacc>
so is geo not a microformat in terms of my original question? ("does simply using xhtml tags and class params with good semantics count as microformat?")
- [01:31:22] * dacc nods.
- [01:31:38] <kingryan>
dacc: geo is a microformat, because it does what you were asking and more
- [01:31:57] <kingryan>
it's the more (a shared vocabulary and specification that's widely useable) that makes it a microformat
- [01:32:29] <dacc>
ah, ok
- [01:35:00] <dacc>
ok, i think i get it
- [01:35:19] <dacc>
so i need to find a way to purpose xhtml tags for the data i'm trying to structure as best as possible
- [01:35:30] <dacc>
.. and create conventions for the structure using classes
- [01:35:35] <dacc>
then style
- [01:35:42] <dacc>
er then stylize
- [01:36:23] <kingryan>
dacc: that sounds good
- [01:36:41] <dacc>
hmm, still tough thinking of tags like <h1> in semantic vs presentational terms, heh
- [01:37:15] <kingryan>
dacc: it might be more useful to think of sematnics vs stucture vs presentation
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[[openid-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=openid-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=23566 * SteveIvy * (+4) OpenID whitelist authentication for private hCard - updated diagram
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[[distributed-conversation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-formats&diff=0&oldid=23567 * Chris Messina * (+235) added description of Atom Threading Extensions
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[[openid-brainstorming-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=openid-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=23568 * ChristopheDucamp * (+532) authentification OpenID en liste blanche pour hCard privée - sync'd with english version - added Steve Ivy diagram to be translated
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