IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-12-10
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=23682 * KevinBurton * (+21) Implementations -
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[[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=23683 * KevinBurton * (+98) Examples in the Wild -
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[[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=23684 * ManasTungare * (+127) New Examples -
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[[User:ManasTungare]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ManasTungare * ManasTungare * (+308)
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[[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=23685 * ManasTungare * (+1) New Examples -
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:hcard-creator-feedback": was spam
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:MrcW1k" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[events/2007-10-25-what-are-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-25-what-are-microformats&diff=0&oldid=23686 * Tantek * (+720) added more tags
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[[product-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=product-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=23687 * LanceW * (+549) Random Thoughts -
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[[User:Dominiek]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Dominiek * Dominiek * (+35)
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[[learning-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/learning-brainstorming * Dominiek * (+837)
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[[learning-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=learning-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=23688 * Dominiek * (+10) See Also -
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[[learning-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=learning-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=23689 * Dominiek * (+302) Language Learning -
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[[Talk:hcard-implied]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcard-implied * DogWj7 * (+10773)
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- [15:59:47] <InsomniaCity>
mkaply: in what way?
- [16:00:02] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: It causes URLs to be retrieved unnecessarily
- [16:00:26] <InsomniaCity>
Is there any microformats work going on for IE7?
- [16:00:31] <mkaply>
<object class="url uid" data="http://theryanking.com/contact/">My other hCard</object>
- [16:00:42] <mkaply>
actually retrieves the ryanking URL. But doesn't use it.
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[[Talk:process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:process&diff=0&oldid=23690 * Fk0Dhs * (+10704)
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- [16:14:42] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: Not that I know of. I've pondered Operator for IE, but I need an IE expert to heklp
- [16:24:37] <InsomniaCity>
well, I'm going to need implement a very basic one.
- [16:25:45] <InsomniaCity>
It's just going to look for hCard and hCalendar and their fn's, and post them off to my webapp
- [16:26:16] <InsomniaCity>
If I can keep the source code releasable (its for a uni assessment so it doesn't need to be 100% kosher as long as I acknowledge stuff), then I will.
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- [16:44:05] <csarven>
mkaply is there a way to peek into the hcard script in operator?
- [16:44:29] <csarven>
or any of the other ones thats builtin (not a user-script)
- [16:44:32] <mkaply>
csarven: sure.
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- [16:45:03] <mkaply>
http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/Microformats/Microformats.js
- [16:45:23] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: How are you going to create the interaction? toolbar?
- [16:45:49] <InsomniaCity>
mkaply: personally, I prefer the tails style of a status bar button
- [16:45:58] <InsomniaCity>
but that'll require subclassing the status bar in COM
- [16:46:05] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: I like the URL bar icon personally
- [16:46:07] <InsomniaCity>
which looks like a nightmare from C#, so I may do a toolbar.
- [16:46:16] <mkaply>
That's kind of why I provided all the options in Operator.
- [16:46:43] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: I started looking at doing something basic in IE and got quickly overwhelmed. I've been spoiled by the ease of writing Firefox extensions
- [16:46:50] <InsomniaCity>
lol
- [16:46:52] <InsomniaCity>
which language?
- [16:47:36] <InsomniaCity>
Oh, and I'll also need to get my university to release the IP on my work if I want to release the IE stuff.
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- [16:49:10] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: C/C++
- [16:49:24] <InsomniaCity>
hmm, I wish I was confident enough to embark with that.
- [16:49:28] <InsomniaCity>
but it'll have to be C# here.
- [16:49:29] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: Any interest in working together to try to get something done?
- [16:49:34] <InsomniaCity>
Which isn't great for the community.
- [16:49:55] <mkaply>
I imagine if we had the basics together, the rest could be straightforward
- [16:50:07] <mkaply>
I was hoping to somehow share some of the JS code I've written with IE stuff
- [16:50:11] <mkaply>
Can you run JS code somehow in IE?
- [16:50:16] <mkaply>
From C#?
- [16:50:24] <InsomniaCity>
Pass. I wouldn't have thought so.
- [16:50:31] <InsomniaCity>
There's an interface to the javascript on the page though.
- [16:50:40] <csarven>
mkaply thanks. was tryingt o find out how you created the vcard from the hcards
- [16:50:56] <mkaply>
csarven: Basically I have this template that defines how I interact with the microformat
- [16:51:04] <mkaply>
Then I have a function that uses that template to parse the actual card.
- [16:51:12] <mkaply>
Trying to make it generic so you can write the template for any microformats
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- [16:52:35] <InsomniaCity>
mkaply: I'd be open to doing something together, but potential problems are: 1) timezones (London here), 2) language (It's going to have to be C# for me), 3) my project parameters, although I could just do it entirely on my own time, and not hand it in the generic stuff per se.
- [16:52:58] <csarven>
mkaply cool
- [16:54:31] <csarven>
mkaply so the function that actually creates the vcards and gets firefox to popup the open file dialog is (appears to be) outside the microformats.js
- [16:54:52] <mkaply>
csarven: yep. That's actual Operator code. Microformats.js generates an object (I call it a semantic Object)
- [16:55:05] <mkaply>
which can be passed around as a JS representation of the microformat
- [16:55:52] <mkaply>
csarven,
- [16:55:53] <mkaply>
http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/operator.js
- [16:56:07] <mkaply>
And then there are JS files for the toolbar button, url barm etc.
- [16:56:12] <mkaply>
http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/
- [16:56:43] <csarven>
mkaply great, this will keep me busy for a while :)
- [16:56:53] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: Just doing some quick looks, it doesn't look like you can leverage my JS from C#
- [16:57:00] <InsomniaCity>
thought not.
- [16:57:10] <mkaply>
csarven: working on anything interesting? Or just learning?
- [16:57:15] <InsomniaCity>
unless you injected the JS into the page
- [16:57:31] <csarven>
i've read a bit on user-scripts (and made a primitive script) on your site but didn't go too deep on this
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mkaply for now playing with the Operator scripts
- [16:58:24] <mkaply>
csarven: ah. There are some interseting ones out there. You can pretty much do anything you want in a user script.
- [16:58:39] <mkaply>
I'm still waiting for the "Wow moment" with a user script. Everything so far is pretty basic
- [16:59:08] <InsomniaCity>
mkaply: how about my user script? punts the hCard to our webapp, thence to webservice, thence to your phone :)
- [16:59:24] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: that's pretty cool.
- [16:59:28] <mkaply>
I want bluetooth on Windows
- [16:59:34] <mkaply>
I've got it for Mac (with Operator)
- [16:59:39] <InsomniaCity>
heh
- [16:59:50] <mkaply>
Also people still use Tails, and I want to know why - what am I missing :)
- [16:59:53] <InsomniaCity>
anyway, do you think those three problems are showstoppers for us?
- [17:00:43] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: timezone not a big deal
- [17:01:05] <mkaply>
InsomniaCity: C# - probably not. I would have had to use a different language anyway. (besides the JS it is in now)
- [17:01:19] <InsomniaCity>
true on the first - my boss for a year was in NY :)
- [17:01:27] <mkaply>
as far as parameters go, you should be able to do whatever you need.
- [17:01:27] <InsomniaCity>
you're in CA aren't you?
- [17:01:30] <mkaply>
Texas
- [17:01:34] <mkaply>
2 hours closer
- [17:02:02] <mkaply>
I mainly need a jumping off point for IE. So anyone willing to take the time to figure out how to start out with a toolbar (or anything) for microformats in IE would be great
- [17:02:07] <InsomniaCity>
OK, I'll speak to my academic supervisor.
- [17:02:26] <InsomniaCity>
yeah, I mean, the easiest way is probably to just do it
- [17:02:31] <InsomniaCity>
and get it released.
- [17:02:54] <InsomniaCity>
I got hCards put on all the department's staff web pages :P
- [17:02:56] <csarven>
mkaply Tails is a bit more GUI into it i think. quick way to see hcard logos, and formats that are verbose where you can tab through them for instance
- [17:03:37] <mkaply>
csarven: In theory, for FF3, Tails can port to use my API on the backend. Then some of the bugs would be fixed (ABBR stuff)
- [17:04:24] <csarven>
yes and recently (not sure which versions got in clash) but when you open Tails the second time it would display any of the formats
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- [17:16:12] <InsomniaCity>
mkaply: YHM^Hstream-of-consciousness-via-email
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Man Gogole's Google Maps microformats just suck
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[[Talk:process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:process&diff=0&oldid=23692 * VanGore * (-10704) spam
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[[User:Fk0Dhs]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Fk0Dhs * VanGore * (+10)
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- [21:06:13] <Byron54>
wikis down :/
- [21:07:24] <Byron54>
can someone tell me whats wrong with my phone number definitions? http://pastie.caboo.se/126624
- [21:07:44] <InsomniaCity>
wiki's down?
- [21:07:48] <InsomniaCity>
works for me
- [21:08:04] <Byron54>
oh its back up
- [21:08:17] <Byron54>
was gone a minute ago
- [21:09:54] <InsomniaCity>
sure
- [21:09:55] <InsomniaCity>
:)
- [21:11:14] <Byron54>
right...
- [21:12:25] <Byron54>
thanks for the help...
- [21:12:37] <InsomniaCity>
well, I was going to tell you what the problem with your phone numbers was
- [21:12:44] <InsomniaCity>
but the wiki should manage it
- [21:13:23] <Byron54>
sure
- [21:13:24] <Byron54>
:)
- [21:13:33] <Byron54>
but yeah i think i got it now
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- [21:14:36] <csarven>
Byron54 might want to wrap the tel numbers with 'value'
- [21:15:31] <csarven>
<dl class="tel"><dt class="type"></dt><dd class="value"></dd></dl>
- [21:15:48] <Byron54>
yeah thats what i was just doing :)
- [21:18:12] <Byron54>
hmmm whats the best way to test my microformats? i currently use operators firefox extension.. was wondering if theres anything better
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