IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-12-10

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  8. [02:17:19] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=23682 * KevinBurton * (+21) Implementations -
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  86. [15:54:23] <mfbot> [[Talk:hcard-implied]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcard-implied * DogWj7 * (+10773)
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  91. [15:59:47] <InsomniaCity> mkaply: in what way?
  92. [16:00:02] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: It causes URLs to be retrieved unnecessarily
  93. [16:00:26] <InsomniaCity> Is there any microformats work going on for IE7?
  94. [16:00:31] <mkaply> <object class="url uid" data="http://theryanking.com/contact/">My other hCard</object>
  95. [16:00:42] <mkaply> actually retrieves the ryanking URL. But doesn't use it.
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  109. [16:12:30] <mfbot> [[Talk:process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:process&diff=0&oldid=23690 * Fk0Dhs * (+10704)
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  111. [16:14:42] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: Not that I know of. I've pondered Operator for IE, but I need an IE expert to heklp
  112. [16:24:37] <InsomniaCity> well, I'm going to need implement a very basic one.
  113. [16:25:45] <InsomniaCity> It's just going to look for hCard and hCalendar and their fn's, and post them off to my webapp
  114. [16:26:16] <InsomniaCity> If I can keep the source code releasable (its for a uni assessment so it doesn't need to be 100% kosher as long as I acknowledge stuff), then I will.
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  120. [16:44:05] <csarven> mkaply is there a way to peek into the hcard script in operator?
  121. [16:44:29] <csarven> or any of the other ones thats builtin (not a user-script)
  122. [16:44:32] <mkaply> csarven: sure.
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  124. [16:45:03] <mkaply> http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/Microformats/Microformats.js
  125. [16:45:23] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: How are you going to create the interaction? toolbar?
  126. [16:45:49] <InsomniaCity> mkaply: personally, I prefer the tails style of a status bar button
  127. [16:45:58] <InsomniaCity> but that'll require subclassing the status bar in COM
  128. [16:46:05] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: I like the URL bar icon personally
  129. [16:46:07] <InsomniaCity> which looks like a nightmare from C#, so I may do a toolbar.
  130. [16:46:16] <mkaply> That's kind of why I provided all the options in Operator.
  131. [16:46:43] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: I started looking at doing something basic in IE and got quickly overwhelmed. I've been spoiled by the ease of writing Firefox extensions
  132. [16:46:50] <InsomniaCity> lol
  133. [16:46:52] <InsomniaCity> which language?
  134. [16:47:36] <InsomniaCity> Oh, and I'll also need to get my university to release the IP on my work if I want to release the IE stuff.
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  136. [16:49:10] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: C/C++
  137. [16:49:24] <InsomniaCity> hmm, I wish I was confident enough to embark with that.
  138. [16:49:28] <InsomniaCity> but it'll have to be C# here.
  139. [16:49:29] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: Any interest in working together to try to get something done?
  140. [16:49:34] <InsomniaCity> Which isn't great for the community.
  141. [16:49:55] <mkaply> I imagine if we had the basics together, the rest could be straightforward
  142. [16:50:07] <mkaply> I was hoping to somehow share some of the JS code I've written with IE stuff
  143. [16:50:11] <mkaply> Can you run JS code somehow in IE?
  144. [16:50:16] <mkaply> From C#?
  145. [16:50:24] <InsomniaCity> Pass. I wouldn't have thought so.
  146. [16:50:31] <InsomniaCity> There's an interface to the javascript on the page though.
  147. [16:50:40] <csarven> mkaply thanks. was tryingt o find out how you created the vcard from the hcards
  148. [16:50:56] <mkaply> csarven: Basically I have this template that defines how I interact with the microformat
  149. [16:51:04] <mkaply> Then I have a function that uses that template to parse the actual card.
  150. [16:51:12] <mkaply> Trying to make it generic so you can write the template for any microformats
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  152. [16:52:35] <InsomniaCity> mkaply: I'd be open to doing something together, but potential problems are: 1) timezones (London here), 2) language (It's going to have to be C# for me), 3) my project parameters, although I could just do it entirely on my own time, and not hand it in the generic stuff per se.
  153. [16:52:58] <csarven> mkaply cool
  154. [16:54:31] <csarven> mkaply so the function that actually creates the vcards and gets firefox to popup the open file dialog is (appears to be) outside the microformats.js
  155. [16:54:52] <mkaply> csarven: yep. That's actual Operator code. Microformats.js generates an object (I call it a semantic Object)
  156. [16:55:05] <mkaply> which can be passed around as a JS representation of the microformat
  157. [16:55:52] <mkaply> csarven,
  158. [16:55:53] <mkaply> http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/operator.js
  159. [16:56:07] <mkaply> And then there are JS files for the toolbar button, url barm etc.
  160. [16:56:12] <mkaply> http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/
  161. [16:56:43] <csarven> mkaply great, this will keep me busy for a while :)
  162. [16:56:53] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: Just doing some quick looks, it doesn't look like you can leverage my JS from C#
  163. [16:57:00] <InsomniaCity> thought not.
  164. [16:57:10] <mkaply> csarven: working on anything interesting? Or just learning?
  165. [16:57:15] <InsomniaCity> unless you injected the JS into the page
  166. [16:57:31] <csarven> i've read a bit on user-scripts (and made a primitive script) on your site but didn't go too deep on this
  167. [16:58:08] <csarven> mkaply for now playing with the Operator scripts
  168. [16:58:24] <mkaply> csarven: ah. There are some interseting ones out there. You can pretty much do anything you want in a user script.
  169. [16:58:39] <mkaply> I'm still waiting for the "Wow moment" with a user script. Everything so far is pretty basic
  170. [16:59:08] <InsomniaCity> mkaply: how about my user script? punts the hCard to our webapp, thence to webservice, thence to your phone :)
  171. [16:59:24] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: that's pretty cool.
  172. [16:59:28] <mkaply> I want bluetooth on Windows
  173. [16:59:34] <mkaply> I've got it for Mac (with Operator)
  174. [16:59:39] <InsomniaCity> heh
  175. [16:59:50] <mkaply> Also people still use Tails, and I want to know why - what am I missing :)
  176. [16:59:53] <InsomniaCity> anyway, do you think those three problems are showstoppers for us?
  177. [17:00:43] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: timezone not a big deal
  178. [17:01:05] <mkaply> InsomniaCity: C# - probably not. I would have had to use a different language anyway. (besides the JS it is in now)
  179. [17:01:19] <InsomniaCity> true on the first - my boss for a year was in NY :)
  180. [17:01:27] <mkaply> as far as parameters go, you should be able to do whatever you need.
  181. [17:01:27] <InsomniaCity> you're in CA aren't you?
  182. [17:01:30] <mkaply> Texas
  183. [17:01:34] <mkaply> 2 hours closer
  184. [17:02:02] <mkaply> I mainly need a jumping off point for IE. So anyone willing to take the time to figure out how to start out with a toolbar (or anything) for microformats in IE would be great
  185. [17:02:07] <InsomniaCity> OK, I'll speak to my academic supervisor.
  186. [17:02:26] <InsomniaCity> yeah, I mean, the easiest way is probably to just do it
  187. [17:02:31] <InsomniaCity> and get it released.
  188. [17:02:54] <InsomniaCity> I got hCards put on all the department's staff web pages :P
  189. [17:02:56] <csarven> mkaply Tails is a bit more GUI into it i think. quick way to see hcard logos, and formats that are verbose where you can tab through them for instance
  190. [17:03:37] <mkaply> csarven: In theory, for FF3, Tails can port to use my API on the backend. Then some of the bugs would be fixed (ABBR stuff)
  191. [17:04:24] <csarven> yes and recently (not sure which versions got in clash) but when you open Tails the second time it would display any of the formats
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  193. [17:16:12] <InsomniaCity> mkaply: YHM^Hstream-of-consciousness-via-email
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  198. [17:49:24] <mkaply> Man Gogole's Google Maps microformats just suck
  199. [17:49:45] <mkaply> <DIV class="adr"><SPAN id="sxaddr"><SPAN class="street-address">711</SPAN> <SPAN class="value">W 38th St # E1</SPAN>, <SPAN class="locality">Austin</SPAN>, <SPAN class="region">TX</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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  222. [20:16:46] <mfbot> [[events/2007-10-25-what-are-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-10-25-what-are-microformats&diff=0&oldid=23691 * Tantek * (+217) added a few photos
  223. [20:20:13] <mfbot> [[Talk:process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:process&diff=0&oldid=23692 * VanGore * (-10704) spam
  224. [20:20:38] <mfbot> [[User:Fk0Dhs]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Fk0Dhs * VanGore * (+10)
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  227. [21:06:13] <Byron54> wikis down :/
  228. [21:07:24] <Byron54> can someone tell me whats wrong with my phone number definitions? http://pastie.caboo.se/126624
  229. [21:07:44] <InsomniaCity> wiki's down?
  230. [21:07:48] <InsomniaCity> works for me
  231. [21:08:04] <Byron54> oh its back up
  232. [21:08:17] <Byron54> was gone a minute ago
  233. [21:09:54] <InsomniaCity> sure
  234. [21:09:55] <InsomniaCity> :)
  235. [21:11:14] <Byron54> right...
  236. [21:12:25] <Byron54> thanks for the help...
  237. [21:12:37] <InsomniaCity> well, I was going to tell you what the problem with your phone numbers was
  238. [21:12:44] <InsomniaCity> but the wiki should manage it
  239. [21:13:23] <Byron54> sure
  240. [21:13:24] <Byron54> :)
  241. [21:13:33] <Byron54> but yeah i think i got it now
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  243. [21:14:36] <csarven> Byron54 might want to wrap the tel numbers with 'value'
  244. [21:15:31] <csarven> <dl class="tel"><dt class="type"></dt><dd class="value"></dd></dl>
  245. [21:15:48] <Byron54> yeah thats what i was just doing :)
  246. [21:18:12] <Byron54> hmmm whats the best way to test my microformats? i currently use operators firefox extension.. was wondering if theres anything better
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