IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-12-31
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=24036 * AndyMabbett * (+354) 2006 - suggestion to inmporve rule for "place" hcards
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=24037 * AndyMabbett * (+333) "fn" and "extended-address" combination - note this is an untested proposal; suggest extension
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=24038 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Concerns - tyops
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[[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=24039 * AndyMabbett * (+1) 2006 - tyop
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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jimbojw is Jim R. Wilson of http://jimbojw.com/
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[User:Noriyo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Noriyo&diff=0&oldid=24040 * Noriyo * (+253)
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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- [13:40:00] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
do i can use entry-summary inside an entry-content?
- [13:41:29] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
like, <div class="entry-content"><h4 class="entry-summary">abstract</h4> all post content</div>
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[[User:CyndyParr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:CyndyParr&diff=0&oldid=24041 * CyndyParr * (+1180)
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jimbojw is Jim R. Wilson of http://jimbojw.com/
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
- [16:16:45] <InsomniaCity>
OK, can someone clarify something for me with regard to hCard...
- [16:19:12] <InsomniaCity>
When using one of the human/machine readable exceptions (http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Human_vs._Machine_readable), as Tantek does in his hCard at the top of the spec, why is it that the <a>,<img> etc is contained within the element marked class="fn" (for example), and why its not the <a> or <img> that is marked class="fn"?
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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- [17:30:30] <InsomniaCity>
tantek: could you clarify something for me with regard to hCard...
- [17:30:38] <InsomniaCity>
When using one of the human/machine readable exceptions (http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Human_vs._Machine_readable), as Tantek does in his hCard at the top of the spec, why is it that the <a>,<img> etc is contained within the element marked class="fn" (for example), and why its not the <a> or <img> that is marked class="fn"?
- [17:31:34] <InsomniaCity>
I mean, I understand that nominally the contents of a marked element is the value, but that bit of the spec makes me think that those exceptions apply directly to elements marked
- [17:32:23] <InsomniaCity>
ie, <span class="vcard"><img src"me.jpg" class="fn" alt="My Name" /></span>
- [17:32:40] <InsomniaCity>
the fn of that vcard is not "My Name", correct?
- [17:33:31] <tantek>
it is
- [17:33:46] <tantek>
that's what the spec is pointing out yes
- [17:33:54] <tantek>
and consider class="photo fn"
- [17:33:56] <tantek>
on that img
- [17:34:05] <tantek>
thus simultaneously setting the photo and the fn properties with one element
- [17:34:26] <tantek>
more markup effficient
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- [17:37:07] <InsomniaCity>
so the http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Human_vs._Machine_readable exceptions apply to the elements, but also when those elements are a child of something else?
- [17:37:42] <tantek>
no directly to the element only
- [17:37:43] <InsomniaCity>
ie, <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><img src="me.jpg" alt="My Name" /></span></span>
- [17:37:48] <InsomniaCity>
ah, ok
- [17:37:58] <tantek>
i believe that is in hcard-faq
- [17:38:05] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq
- [17:38:08] <InsomniaCity>
but your hcard on the spec utilises that...
- [17:38:17] <InsomniaCity>
<span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Tantek" title="User:Tantek">Tantek Çelik</a></span >
- [17:38:36] <tantek>
that doesn't utilize any exceptions
- [17:38:43] <tantek>
the exceptions apply directly to elements
- [17:38:50] <tantek>
the general rule is content text
- [17:39:09] <tantek>
see: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Why_is_IMG_alt_not_being_picked_up
- [17:39:51] <InsomniaCity>
ok, so because Tantek Celik is the context text, even though its inside an <a>, thats the value of the fn?
- [17:40:08] <tantek>
correct
- [17:40:10] <InsomniaCity>
(no chance of employing cedillas on this keyboard, sorry)
- [17:40:23] <tantek>
that's the general rule of handling property values that is defined in hcard-parsing
- [17:40:27] <InsomniaCity>
ok, and does that descend indefinitely?
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- [17:41:12] <InsomniaCity>
so by "finally, always fallback to using the contents of the element for the value", that means the content text, not the content HTML ?
- [17:41:53] <tantek>
that's what "contents" means
- [17:42:03] <tantek>
as opposed to contained HTML
- [17:42:05] <tantek>
contents is text
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innerContent doesn't exist. textContent does.
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