IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-01-05

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  12. [02:04:21] <mfbot> [[data-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=data-portability&diff=0&oldid=24115 * Tantek * (+166) add new see also section at end with links to external resources
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  15. [02:26:14] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  47. [08:57:33] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
  48. [09:10:18] <mfbot> [[Talk:CompoundMicroformat]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:CompoundMicroformat * PozK9d * (+11258)
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  55. [10:36:12] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  58. [11:29:15] <mfbot> [[twitter-nanoformats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitter-nanoformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=24116 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1319) [fr: sync'd with english version]
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  60. [11:31:36] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) blocked "User:PozK9d" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  61. [11:31:57] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) deleted "Talk:CompoundMicroformat": spam
  62. [11:33:49] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=24117 * ChristopheDucamp * (+50) A venir - sync'd
  63. [11:35:15] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=24118 * ChristopheDucamp * (+30) A venir - [fr: lien vers Invitation Codefest en français]
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  65. [11:51:56] <mfbot> [[event-consolidation-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=event-consolidation-fr&diff=0&oldid=24119 * ChristopheDucamp * (+541) [fr: sync'd with english version]
  66. [11:53:22] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=24120 * AndyMabbett * (-7599) end-of-year archiving
  67. [11:54:23] <mfbot> [[events-2007]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-2007&diff=0&oldid=24121 * AndyMabbett * (+7591) archiving
  68. [11:57:14] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=24122 * AndyMabbett * (-44) Upcoming - HTML fix
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  70. [12:00:10] <mfbot> [[hcard-implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=24123 * ChristopheDucamp * (+569) [fr: sync'd with english version]
  71. [12:09:17] <mfbot> [[hcard-implied]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implied&diff=0&oldid=24124 * AndyMabbett * (-534) replace overly-contrived example
  72. [12:11:33] <mfbot> [[hcard-implied]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implied&diff=0&oldid=24125 * AndyMabbett * (+146) clarify proposal
  73. [12:15:49] <mfbot> [[hcard-implied]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implied&diff=0&oldid=24126 * AndyMabbett * (+156) example
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  89. [14:34:29] <mfbot> [[hproject]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hproject * ZimbaTm * (+2804) Preliminary hProject specification / mostly ideas
  90. [14:41:20] <mfbot> [[User:ZimbaTm]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ZimbaTm * ZimbaTm * (+233)
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  93. [15:02:22] <mfbot> [[hproject]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hproject&diff=0&oldid=24128 * ZimbaTm * (+21) Let's start by an example -
  94. [15:03:11] <zimbatm> hi, are there any textual releases of the microformats outside of the wiki ? Like in a RFC ?
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  97. [15:06:27] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  99. [15:15:18] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-issues&diff=0&oldid=24129 * EatYourGreens * (+289)
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  102. [15:29:33] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  105. [15:50:46] <mfbot> [[events/2008-01-05-event-session-title]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-01-05-event-session-title * Csarven * (+240)
  106. [15:56:57] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=24130 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1561) Problématiques - [fr:sync'd with english version]
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  108. [16:05:38] <mfbot> [[events/2008-01-05-event-session-title]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-01-05-event-session-title&diff=0&oldid=24131 * Csarven * (+263)
  109. [16:06:50] <mfbot> [[events/2008-01-05-event-session-title]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-01-05-event-session-title&diff=0&oldid=0 * Csarven * (+503) events/2008-01-05-event-session-title moved to events/codefest2008-microformats
  110. [16:07:41] <mfbot> [[User:Stéphane Thibault]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:St%C3%A9phane_Thibault * Stéphane Thibault * (+132) Link to personal profile
  111. [16:09:27] <mfbot> [[hrecipe]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hrecipe * AndyMabbett * (+20) redirect
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  114. [16:15:53] <mfbot> [[events/codefest2008-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/codefest2008-microformats&diff=0&oldid=24132 * Stéphane Thibault * (+49) + ~~~
  115. [16:16:44] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=24133 * AndyMabbett * (+505) See Also - suggestion for in-line mark-up of simple foodstuffs
  116. [16:19:25] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=24134 * AndyMabbett * (+119) Single foodstuffs - "sub-microformat-pattern"
  117. [16:20:36] <mfbot> [[vcard-suggestions-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-suggestions-fr&diff=0&oldid=24135 * ChristopheDucamp * (+867) [fr: sync'd with english version]
  118. [16:24:12] <mfbot> [[geo-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=24136 * ChristopheDucamp * (+912) [fr: sync'd with english version]
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  120. [16:25:33] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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  122. [16:30:29] <mfbot> [[events/codefest2008-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/codefest2008-microformats&diff=0&oldid=24137 * Csarven * (-2)
  123. [16:33:20] <mfbot> [[events/codefest2008-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/codefest2008-microformats&diff=0&oldid=24138 * Csarven * (+27)
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  132. [18:12:07] <jibot> danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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  134. [18:43:30] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
  135. [18:46:52] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=24139 * ChristopheDucamp * (+19240) [fr: sync'd with english version - translation in progress]
  136. [18:47:48] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=24140 * ChristopheDucamp * (-12) 2007 -
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  140. [19:00:11] <csarven> could anyone shed some light on this: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-January/011230.html
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  143. [19:07:20] <mfbot> [[data-portability-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=data-portability-fr&diff=0&oldid=24141 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3654) [fr: sync'd with english version]
  144. [19:07:46] <mfbot> [[data-portability-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=data-portability-fr&diff=0&oldid=24142 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1)
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  148. [19:29:41] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  151. [19:58:54] <mfbot> [[bankaccount-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=bankaccount-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=24143 * Guillaume Lebleu * (+43) The Problem -
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  153. [20:21:26] <mfbot> [[exploratory-discussions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=exploratory-discussions&diff=0&oldid=24144 * Guillaume Lebleu * (+71) other active -
  154. [20:27:42] <mfbot> [[bankaccount-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=bankaccount-examples&diff=0&oldid=24145 * AndyMabbett * (+260) Google search for "pay+BACS+transfer"
  155. [20:30:23] <mfbot> [[Template:formatset]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:formatset&diff=0&oldid=24146 * AndyMabbett * (+18) margion-left; copy edit
  156. [20:38:45] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=24147 * Csarven * (-5)
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  189. [22:58:41] <tantek> greetings
  190. [23:00:21] <csarven> tantek greetings. any thoughts on this: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-January/011230.html ?
  191. [23:01:04] <tantek> re: external resources for include pattern?
  192. [23:01:08] <tantek> it's a much harder problem to solve
  193. [23:01:32] <tantek> anyone experienced in building compound document systems will understand this (having a few years with this myself with OpenDoc etc.)
  194. [23:01:43] <tantek> the problem is unreliability
  195. [23:01:56] <tantek> well the first problem
  196. [23:01:58] <tantek> the second problem is security
  197. [23:02:16] <tantek> anything that includes resources across documents introduces security risks and problems
  198. [23:02:44] <tantek> and perhaps the biggest problem is the visibility of the data
  199. [23:03:28] <csarven> would it be 80% unreliable/insecure? ;)
  200. [23:03:31] <tantek> that is, when you include content from somewhere else on the page, it is very likely the user can view that content in that somewhere else on the page. however, were you to include that content from some other resource, the user would never see that info in its original context, and thus you would be including invisible content
  201. [23:03:39] <tantek> csarven, it's not a matter of %s
  202. [23:03:46] <tantek> it's a matter of adding a whole list of other problems you have to solve
  203. [23:03:50] <tantek> in order to make it work
  204. [23:04:12] <tantek> no one has yet made anything close to a reasonable case demonstrating there is sufficient benefit for those costs.
  205. [23:05:41] <csarven> actually 'unreliability' came up when i talked with evanpro earlier here at codefest.. i can see that being major issue
  206. [23:06:56] <csarven> caching the information colve cut down on that problem though you are right about not having the original context of the information that is being pulled
  207. [23:07:04] <csarven> s/colve/could
  208. [23:09:53] <csarven> tantek any way, was this documented any where? can you mention what you brought up in the FAQ? because on the surface it doesn't seem like a problem
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  211. [23:16:38] <tantek_> that's a good point
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  216. [23:39:56] <mfbot> [[events-template]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-template&diff=0&oldid=24160 * AndyMabbett * (+2) consistency
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  218. [23:44:22] <mfbot> [[events-template]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-template&diff=0&oldid=24161 * AndyMabbett * (+14) with the "#"
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  223. [23:46:58] <mfbot> [[events-template]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-template&diff=0&oldid=24162 * AndyMabbett * (+17) EVENTSPECIFICTAG should be unique; example with location
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