IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-02-10
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [00:40:23] <gl_>
hello. Here is the vevent in table issue I was talking about yesterday (last in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-issues#2008) that is similar to the vcard in table issue (last in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues#2008)
- [00:42:42] <gl_>
IMO, it would be nice to have a way to extract these events without having to markup each time cell with an abbr that would contain the full datetime.
- [00:42:53] <gl_>
but it's really just a nice-to-have.
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gl_, yeah, I think that's the simplest work around, and I'm not convinced it is worth complicating the format in order to accommodate the split date/time case. Perhaps you could document the work-around in the issue so that others coming across it could proceed with that solution.
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[[User:Andrew]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Andrew * Andrew * (+518)
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[[hreview-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25624 * Andrew * (+536)
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[[User:Andrew]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Andrew&diff=0&oldid=25625 * Andrew * (+122) My background -
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[[currency-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-proposal&diff=0&oldid=25626 * DomsiTrelb * (+12) tanodarbocor
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[[Microformats:Community Portal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Microformats:Community_Portal&diff=0&oldid=25627 * ElsitTrdar * (+18) ololeto
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[[datetime-design-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25628 * ZeldaRdomc * (+12) letodroncole
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[[Help:Contents]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Help:Contents&diff=0&oldid=25629 * SitolOc4to * (+14) ricletoalc
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[[Microformats:General disclaimer]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Microformats:General_disclaimer&diff=0&oldid=25630 * CodarClira * (+19) getvar
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[[currency]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency&diff=0&oldid=25631 * ErracAcrol * (+13) sitmoncos
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[[currency-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues&diff=0&oldid=25632 * RelouError * (+10) trocacelgeta
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[[abbr-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25633 * PaselRacle * (+10) rollitad
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[[include-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25634 * DelacCocna * (+21) domlar
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=25635 * RolacElchi * (+12) aleltrac
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[[currency-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-examples&diff=0&oldid=25636 * Racc4Tcaol * (+23) pasdelzels
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=25637 * LetocNocoa * (+53) boclet
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[[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25638 * BoctrOcrac * (+19) orsitdr
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[[Talk:currency-proposal]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:currency-proposal * RolalC4tel * (+6) trelcoacelo
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[[hcard supporting user profiles]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard_supporting_user_profiles * Tantek * (+44)
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[[hcard xfn supporting friends lists]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard_xfn_supporting_friends_lists * Tantek * (+48)
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[[Oauth]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Oauth * Tantek * (+19)
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[[social-network-anti-patterns]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-anti-patterns&diff=0&oldid=25639 * Tantek * (+3894) major update: added more AKA for other site login password anti pattern, better ambient searchability, Nsyght screenshot, site/feature headings, more screenshots&services, new antipattern Join to fix
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[[snpantipatterns]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/snpantipatterns * Tantek * (+42)
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re: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-February/011591.html
- [20:03:49] <csarven>
<illustir> How is this relevant to hAvatar or hKit?
- [20:04:55] <illustir>
i don't really see how it's relevant, in the context of DiSo and such we are talking about mixing up data from various sources
- [20:06:02] <csarven>
Retrieving data from external resources (off-page invisible data) that is not verified is subject to some issues (whether it is the include-pattern or hKit) I believe.
- [20:07:07] <csarven>
It is not an issue with hAvatar nor hKit if the information that is being pulled is from the document itself
- [20:07:24] <illustir>
it does have issues
- [20:07:54] <illustir>
in the case of hAvatar
- [20:08:08] <illustir>
unreliability, if a server is down or the image URL isn't right or anything, we do not get to see a picture
- [20:08:19] <illustir>
security is not an issue
- [20:09:03] <illustir>
invisibility, we try to fix that by using mechanisms which already exist: people leave behind a URL on a comment, that URL usually points to a blog or homepage, people often put their hCard on their blog or homepage
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[[social-network-anti-patterns]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-anti-patterns&diff=0&oldid=25640 * AndyMabbett * (-7) Twitter are your friends on - rm tautology
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- [20:12:52] <illustir>
But combining data from different sources is not inherently bad, right?
- [20:13:35] <csarven>
I'm not entirely sure either way but I think some level of trust is a requirement though
- [20:14:56] <csarven>
I can see that invisibility is not an issue in the case of hAvatar since it is actually pulling the representative hCard hence context is accurate
- [20:17:49] <illustir>
for other uses, you will probably need to evaluate those criteria differently
- [20:17:50] <csarven>
Which is also true for hKit come to think of it. I guess we could cancel out the invisibility issue
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[[hreview-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25641 * AndyMabbett * (+189) General Comments - reply (also typos & formatting, throughout)
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[[type]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=type&diff=0&oldid=25642 * AndyMabbett * (+52) hReview
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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- [21:14:18] <idnar>
hey, so, I'm a bit confused
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it seems like I'm only supposed to include one profile in <head profile="..."> on my site; but what happens if I'm using multiple microformats (with profiles) on the same page (eg. hCard, hAtom, XFN)?
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) deleted "Talk:currency-proposal": content was: 'oucaco'
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