IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-02-10

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  7. [00:40:23] <gl_> hello. Here is the vevent in table issue I was talking about yesterday (last in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-issues#2008) that is similar to the vcard in table issue (last in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues#2008)
  8. [00:42:42] <gl_> IMO, it would be nice to have a way to extract these events without having to markup each time cell with an abbr that would contain the full datetime.
  9. [00:42:53] <gl_> but it's really just a nice-to-have.
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  12. [01:08:51] <tantek> gl_, yeah, I think that's the simplest work around, and I'm not convinced it is worth complicating the format in order to accommodate the split date/time case. Perhaps you could document the work-around in the issue so that others coming across it could proceed with that solution.
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  37. [04:19:29] <mfbot> [[User:Andrew]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Andrew&diff=0&oldid=25625 * Andrew * (+122) My background -
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  54. [10:01:31] <mfbot> [[datetime-design-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25628 * ZeldaRdomc * (+12) letodroncole
  55. [10:02:17] <mfbot> [[Help:Contents]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Help:Contents&diff=0&oldid=25629 * SitolOc4to * (+14) ricletoalc
  56. [10:03:03] <mfbot> [[Microformats:General disclaimer]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Microformats:General_disclaimer&diff=0&oldid=25630 * CodarClira * (+19) getvar
  57. [10:03:54] <mfbot> [[currency]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency&diff=0&oldid=25631 * ErracAcrol * (+13) sitmoncos
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  59. [10:04:51] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25633 * PaselRacle * (+10) rollitad
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  65. [10:08:18] <mfbot> [[Talk:currency-proposal]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:currency-proposal * RolalC4tel * (+6) trelcoacelo
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  104. [16:08:47] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  108. [17:34:54] <mfbot> [[hcard supporting user profiles]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard_supporting_user_profiles * Tantek * (+44)
  109. [17:35:20] <mfbot> [[hcard xfn supporting friends lists]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard_xfn_supporting_friends_lists * Tantek * (+48)
  110. [17:35:46] <mfbot> [[Oauth]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Oauth * Tantek * (+19)
  111. [17:39:07] <mfbot> [[social-network-anti-patterns]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-anti-patterns&diff=0&oldid=25639 * Tantek * (+3894) major update: added more AKA for other site login password anti pattern, better ambient searchability, Nsyght screenshot, site/feature headings, more screenshots&services, new antipattern Join to fix
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  139. [20:03:37] <csarven> re: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-February/011591.html
  140. [20:03:49] <csarven> <illustir> How is this relevant to hAvatar or hKit?
  141. [20:04:55] <illustir> i don't really see how it's relevant, in the context of DiSo and such we are talking about mixing up data from various sources
  142. [20:06:02] <csarven> Retrieving data from external resources (off-page invisible data) that is not verified is subject to some issues (whether it is the include-pattern or hKit) I believe.
  143. [20:07:07] <csarven> It is not an issue with hAvatar nor hKit if the information that is being pulled is from the document itself
  144. [20:07:24] <illustir> it does have issues
  145. [20:07:54] <illustir> in the case of hAvatar
  146. [20:08:08] <illustir> unreliability, if a server is down or the image URL isn't right or anything, we do not get to see a picture
  147. [20:08:19] <illustir> security is not an issue
  148. [20:09:03] <illustir> invisibility, we try to fix that by using mechanisms which already exist: people leave behind a URL on a comment, that URL usually points to a blog or homepage, people often put their hCard on their blog or homepage
  149. [20:10:12] <mfbot> [[social-network-anti-patterns]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-anti-patterns&diff=0&oldid=25640 * AndyMabbett * (-7) Twitter are your friends on - rm tautology
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  151. [20:12:52] <illustir> But combining data from different sources is not inherently bad, right?
  152. [20:13:35] <csarven> I'm not entirely sure either way but I think some level of trust is a requirement though
  153. [20:14:56] <csarven> I can see that invisibility is not an issue in the case of hAvatar since it is actually pulling the representative hCard hence context is accurate
  154. [20:17:49] <illustir> for other uses, you will probably need to evaluate those criteria differently
  155. [20:17:50] <csarven> Which is also true for hKit come to think of it. I guess we could cancel out the invisibility issue
  156. [20:17:54] <mfbot> [[hreview-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25641 * AndyMabbett * (+189) General Comments - reply (also typos & formatting, throughout)
  157. [20:19:55] <mfbot> [[type]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=type&diff=0&oldid=25642 * AndyMabbett * (+52) hReview
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  167. [21:05:56] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  170. [21:14:18] <idnar> hey, so, I'm a bit confused
  171. [21:14:54] <idnar> it seems like I'm only supposed to include one profile in <head profile="..."> on my site; but what happens if I'm using multiple microformats (with profiles) on the same page (eg. hCard, hAtom, XFN)?
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