IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-03-22
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- [01:49:39] <romistrub>
alright... who's idea was it to have name the classes for hcalendar? :P
- [01:49:54] <romistrub>
in fact... these microformats should really have classes with namespaces
- [01:50:11] <romistrub>
like... "summary"? Seriously? I already use that all the time in my classes
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- [01:59:27] <romistrub>
like hcal_summary
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- [02:08:47] <tantek>
romistrub, check out the FAQs for microformats in general and hCalendar
- [02:08:59] <romistrub>
that's what I'm doing right now
- [02:09:17] <romistrub>
I'm only skimming though, because it's pretty long, and I'm a slow reader :P
- [02:10:31] <romistrub>
I want to adopt it, because it seems like a good idea... but the lack of namespacing is making it interfere with my XHTML structure
- [02:11:24] <romistrub>
i.e. I have a list of Academic Seminars, and one of internal tags is <div class="abstract summary">
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not to be confused with the title of the seminar, which is <div class="title">
- [02:11:43] <romistrub>
now, this seemed straightforward to me :(
- [02:12:13] <romistrub>
But the hcalendar spec talks about the title being identified with class="summary"
- [02:12:38] <romistrub>
namespacing would fix this... and I can understand how one would want to avoid that due to its semantic drawbacks
- [02:12:55] <romistrub>
but I can't get around it, heh
- [02:12:57] <tantek>
namespacing causes far more problems than it fixes, so much so that we don't even bother talking about it
- [02:13:04] <tantek>
you can use CSS contextual selectors
- [02:13:16] <tantek>
to use a class name one way in side one class (say inside a vevent)
- [02:13:20] <tantek>
and differently inside another
- [02:13:25] <tantek>
that's in the microformats FAQ I believe
- [02:13:32] <romistrub>
it's not the CSS I'm worried about
- [02:13:46] <romistrub>
it's whatever is parsing the XHTML to find the hcalendar details
- [02:14:04] <romistrub>
it will likely find my "abstract summary" div, if it's after the title div
- [02:14:12] <romistrub>
unless it only takes the first :p
- [02:14:26] <tantek>
precisely, summary is a singleton, thus parsers only take the first
- [02:14:41] <romistrub>
duely noted :)
- [02:16:23] <romistrub>
Is there any explanation to the problems that namespacing causes online?
- [02:16:36] <romistrub>
I searched the wiki for "namespace" and "namespacing" but got nothing relevant
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- [02:21:20] <romistrub>
just for clarity... I don't mean namespacing in the XML sense... just in the ... hcal_summary sense
- [02:21:37] <romistrub>
I think that actually gives more appropriate semantic meaning
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since it's saying that "this is the summary, but *only for hcal*"
- [02:22:17] <romistrub>
that last bit is important to both human and computer readers :P
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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- [03:16:31] <romistrub>
Okay, I've looked around, and this issue has not been adequately addressed, as far as I could fine
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*find
- [03:17:18] <romistrub>
What if there are two conflicting classes for microformats?
- [03:17:27] <romistrub>
"summary" immediately springs to mind
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- [03:20:12] <romistrub>
I'm trying hard to understand, but I can't imagine a single problem in using hcal_summary, etc.
- [03:20:22] <romistrub>
it would make the markup more meaningful
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- [03:22:11] <romistrub>
it's... it's *tomfoolery*, I say! :)
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- [03:30:13] <romistrub>
is there any way to include data in a property that isn't visible in the browser, without resorting to CSS?
- [03:30:33] <romistrub>
For example... on a Seminars page, everybody knows that the events listed are seminars
- [03:31:28] <romistrub>
so, while the title on the page might be "Quantum Infrared and Terahertz Semiconductor Devices", the summary, in the absolute context, would be "Seminar on Quantum Infrared and Terahertz Semiconductor Devices"
- [03:32:14] <romistrub>
It changes depending on context
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does the <abbr> method work only for dates?
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[[s5-tools]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=s5-tools&diff=0&oldid=26394 * GeraldBauer * (+63) S5 Tools -
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[[firefox-extensions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=26395 * Andrew * (+32) Added info about hReview operator script
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[[figure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=figure&diff=0&oldid=26396 * TobyInk * (+81) Minimisation - Tim White's suggestion re: alt attribute compromise.
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[[figure]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=figure&diff=0&oldid=26397 * TobyInk * (+128) Key - RFC 2119, clarify language, etc
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[[representative-hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=representative-hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=26398 * TobyInk * (+786) Author hCard / Contact hCard
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[[history-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=history-examples&diff=0&oldid=26399 * JeremyBoggs * (+179) HTML-based Timelines -
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?def tobyink is Toby Inkster <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/>, author of Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/>
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tobyink is Toby Inkster <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/>, author of Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/>
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tobyink is Toby Inkster <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/>, author of Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/>
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[[irc-people]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=26400 * TobyInk * (+43) Me
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[[User:TobyInk]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TobyInk&diff=0&oldid=26401 * TobyInk * (+347) Little changes
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[[User:TobyInk]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TobyInk&diff=0&oldid=26402 * TobyInk * (+5) About me - Reformat.
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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