IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-03-27

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  26. [03:36:10] <mfbot> [[icons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons&diff=0&oldid=26516 * Gazza * (+113) Geo -
  27. [03:48:21] <mfbot> [[xfn-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=26517 * Gazza * (+100) possible inverse of fan terms -
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  31. [04:11:56] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  37. [05:07:23] <Gazza> Anyone got an opinion on http://www.geotagicons.com/ ?
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  46. [05:39:24] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  54. [06:18:56] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  63. [08:14:14] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  65. [08:28:42] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  71. [09:04:14] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  74. [09:06:01] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  76. [09:14:01] <mfbot> [[Category:NewTube]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Category:NewTube&diff=0&oldid=26518 * Di9I0i * (+13060)
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  78. [09:28:29] <Broady> does anyone speak here?
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  82. [09:34:08] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  85. [09:42:08] <Broady> ?def Broady is Chris Broadfoot, lives in Sydney and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au/
  86. [09:42:09] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, lives in Sydney and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au/
  87. [09:42:43] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=26519 * ChrisBroadfoot * (+43)
  88. [09:43:24] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=26520 * ChrisBroadfoot * (+1)
  89. [09:43:50] <mfbot> [[User:ChrisBroadfoot]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ChrisBroadfoot * ChrisBroadfoot * (+55)
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  92. [09:50:50] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  93. [09:54:11] <Broady> iand: no hatom on your blog?
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  96. [09:56:13] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
  97. [09:56:37] <iand> used to have it but took it off in a redesign since there were no consumers of it that I was aware of
  98. [10:00:55] <Broady> aha
  99. [10:00:58] <Broady> pretty easy to add
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  101. [10:15:33] <KevinMarks> there's at least one consumer at google
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  103. [10:16:11] <KevinMarks> http://googlenotebookblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/permalinks-up-and-hatom.html
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  105. [10:16:47] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  111. [10:30:54] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
  112. [10:31:23] <Broady> dude, KevinMarks thats not just one consumer... anyone who uses google toolbar's notebook feature is a consumer!
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  117. [10:37:37] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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  126. [11:28:32] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, lives in Sydney and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au/
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  133. [12:07:37] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  138. [12:22:12] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  146. [13:02:28] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  148. [13:08:05] <Danny_B> if i can't set class for <a> tag, is there any other chance to fill url (or email) in hCard & hCalendar
  149. [13:08:05] <Danny_B> say <span class="url><a href="http://domain.tld">text</a></span>?
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  152. [13:13:01] <V-I-P> http://www.dieweisheit.de/Zusammenfassung/zusammenfassung-der-zauberberg.html
  153. [13:13:18] <V-I-P> http://www.dieweisheit.de/Zusammenfassung/zusammenfassung-romeo-und-julia.html
  154. [13:13:37] <V-I-P> http://www.dieweisheit.de/Zusammenfassung/zusammenfassung-von-faust-1-goethe.html
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  159. [13:33:22] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  166. [13:50:08] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  170. [14:42:42] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  181. [16:13:00] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  183. [16:18:43] <jibot> factoryjoe is an open source ambassador, blogs at http://factoryjoe.com/blog and runs Citizen Agency with Miss Rogue
  184. [16:18:50] <factoryjoe> tantek: did you see this list? http://www.virtualhosting.com/blog/2008/microformats-university-100-articles-and-resources/
  185. [16:19:09] <tantek> yeah, pretty impressive huh?
  186. [16:19:28] <factoryjoe> quite!
  187. [16:19:37] * tantek keeps wondering if/when InfoCard will admit defeat to OpenID etc.
  188. [16:20:25] <factoryjoe> ugh
  189. [16:20:35] <tantek> hey InfoCard peeps, I will shame you once more for reinventing profile schema instead of just re-using vCard properties, and *then* considering additions.
  190. [16:20:36] <factoryjoe> we just got an info packet about infocard interop
  191. [16:20:43] <factoryjoe> hey tantek
  192. [16:20:44] <tantek> factoryjoe, I dare you to burn it
  193. [16:20:51] <factoryjoe> i have a talk with sam ramji today
  194. [16:20:54] <tantek> in the courtyard
  195. [16:21:01] <factoryjoe> wanted to bring up the Live Contacts API reinvention of contact schema
  196. [16:21:07] <factoryjoe> ;)
  197. [16:21:30] <tantek> put the smack down factoryjoe
  198. [16:21:39] <factoryjoe> that's my plan
  199. [16:21:59] <tantek> only amateur engineers reinvent when they could have reused
  200. [16:22:05] <factoryjoe> mmhmm
  201. [16:22:26] <tantek> though there is also an egotistical factor
  202. [16:22:43] <tantek> so perhaps
  203. [16:23:14] <tantek> only engineers that are amateurs or egotistical (or both) reinvent when they could have reused.
  204. [16:24:09] <factoryjoe> tantek: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463989.aspx
  205. [16:25:59] <factoryjoe> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463974.aspx look at sample post
  206. [16:26:04] <factoryjoe> that's their schema
  207. [16:26:05] <factoryjoe> ugh
  208. [16:26:05] <tantek> that's great news that at least there is an API so that presumably sites should not need to ask you for your MSN/Hotmail user/pass
  209. [16:26:10] <factoryjoe> yes
  210. [16:26:19] <factoryjoe> except it's their own delegated auth (not oauth)
  211. [16:26:22] <tantek> so at least there is a solution for that anti-pattern case
  212. [16:26:24] <factoryjoe> and not vcard compatible
  213. [16:26:27] <mfbot> [[wordpress]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress&diff=0&oldid=26521 * Pfefferle * (+210)
  214. [16:26:28] <tantek> right, it's far from perfect
  215. [16:26:39] <tantek> but at least it makes it possible to stop teaching the user a bad habit
  216. [16:26:43] <tantek> so that's a net improvement
  217. [16:26:43] <factoryjoe> did i ever map the existing schemas?
  218. [16:26:47] <factoryjoe> i feel like i did somewhere
  219. [16:26:50] <factoryjoe> yes
  220. [16:26:55] <factoryjoe> it defeats the pw antipattern
  221. [16:27:05] <tantek> which is a very important step forward
  222. [16:27:16] <factoryjoe> agreed
  223. [16:27:57] <factoryjoe> i will show my appreciation for that at least
  224. [16:28:07] <tantek> but SamplePost.xml is damning noob idiocy
  225. [16:29:36] <tantek> my *guess* is that SamplePost.xml is just revealing the internals of existing proprietary systems
  226. [16:30:05] <factoryjoe> yes
  227. [16:30:13] <tantek> so we may be seeing the ghost schema of Hailstorm/Passport past
  228. [16:30:13] <mfbot> [[implementors]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementors&diff=0&oldid=26522 * Pfefferle * (+157) People -
  229. [16:30:29] <factoryjoe> ah indeed
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  231. [16:31:42] <tantek> that would take some forensics to confirm
  232. [16:33:17] <tantek> if we are simply seeing internals being exposed, then the Windows Live Contacts folks are not to blame for the reinvention, merely for "not doing enough", as you made your point vis-a-vis Oauth
  233. [16:33:30] <mfbot> [[wordpress]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress&diff=0&oldid=26523 * Pfefferle * (+94) Plugins -
  234. [16:33:47] <tantek> they really should have returned vCards
  235. [16:34:43] <tantek> btw, factoryjoe, don't literally burn the InfoCard papers (the :) was implied) - just to be clear. :)
  236. [16:41:25] <factoryjoe> heh
  237. [16:41:27] <factoryjoe> oh ok
  238. [16:41:29] <factoryjoe> wasn't sure
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  240. [16:47:49] <tantek> because of course, that wouldn't be the proper environmental thing to do. i suggest the recycling bins.
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  243. [16:57:26] <hober> That reminds me of Drescher and the toaster
  244. [16:59:54] <BenWard> This may be relevant to your interests: http://developer.yahoo.net/blog/archives/2008/03/kelkoo_goes_mic.html ;-)
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  271. [18:46:14] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
  272. [18:48:59] <tantek> Note that at the bottom of Windows Live Contacts API: REST Schema http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463953.aspx it says "This represents the schema at the time of publication, but the production schema may have additional, fewer, or different elements." - let's make that "different" elements happen. Replace all the reinvented stuff with vCard/hCard terminology please.
  273. [18:49:25] <tantek> or heck, just use a nested hCard and dump all the XML
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