IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-04-15

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  13. [01:24:22] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  26. [04:37:20] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  33. [05:50:41] <jibot> illustir is the creator of hAvatar and related and at http://alper.nl and builds http://tipit.to
  34. [05:51:24] <illustir> ?forgetme
  35. [05:51:24] <jibot> I have expunged illustir from my mind
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  38. [05:53:11] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  59. [08:41:50] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  64. [08:52:43] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  67. [08:57:03] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  70. [08:59:34] <jibot> mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
  71. [09:02:10] <mfbot> [[User:TobyInk/hcalendar-1.1]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TobyInk/hcalendar-1.1&diff=0&oldid=26761 * TobyInk * (+88) Property List for hCalendar Alarms -
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  74. [09:02:21] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
  75. [09:03:01] <mfbot> [[User:TobyInk/hcalendar-1.1]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TobyInk/hcalendar-1.1&diff=0&oldid=26762 * TobyInk * (-33) Properties and Sub-properties - valarm must be a child of vevent or vtodo
  76. [09:04:37] <mfbot> [[User:TobyInk/hcalendar-1.1]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TobyInk/hcalendar-1.1&diff=0&oldid=26763 * TobyInk * (+34) Root Class Name -
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  81. [09:21:23] <mfbot> [[User:TobyInk/hcalendar-1.1]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TobyInk/hcalendar-1.1&diff=0&oldid=26764 * TobyInk * (+11) Full hCalendar Example - VALUE=TEXT on ATTENDEE in example
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  86. [09:32:55] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  90. [10:11:50] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  102. [12:08:59] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  103. [12:11:14] * CloCkWeR1 waves @ mkaply, and wonders if he had any feedback re google contacts user script for operator
  104. [12:11:48] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-pending]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-pending&diff=0&oldid=26765 * CTagg * (+174) New Example - Autopendium
  105. [12:11:55] <mkaply> CloCkWeR1: it actually didn't work for me. It wouldn't take my authentication. So my main feedback is that errors need to be alerted to the user, not just dumped to the console :)
  106. [12:12:09] <CloCkWeR1> yeah, that would probably help
  107. [12:12:14] <CloCkWeR1> i shall tinker more
  108. [12:12:43] <CloCkWeR1> i take it you are on ff3b5 or a nightly?
  109. [12:12:59] <CloCkWeR1> (i did it all in flock, which is apprx ff2.0.0.12)
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  115. [12:31:08] <mkaply> Nope, FF2
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  119. [12:57:04] <mkaply> CloCkWeR1: if we could start using this method for Google anything, I'd be very happy. I just hadn't wanted to learn the Google API.
  120. [12:57:17] <mkaply> Plus I wasn't sure how to get userid/pass - love your idea of just using Firefox
  121. [12:57:47] <mkaply> CloCkWeR1: of course the tricky part is we've been discussing how to do actions in XML instead of JS - your action shows why having JS is so powerful
  122. [12:59:12] <CloCkWeR1> actions in xml... :S data in xml... :) data in rdf/a graph :D... but we'll get to that later
  123. [13:00:02] <mkaply> CloCkWeR1: By using XML, we can have something like Microsoft where actions get loaded as the browser is running. As long as I use privileged Javascript for actions, drive by installation is very bad
  124. [13:00:15] <mkaply> unless we create a really good sandbox (like greasemonkey)
  125. [13:01:07] <CloCkWeR1> i haven't dived at all into the microsoft activities/webslices stuff
  126. [13:01:26] <CloCkWeR1> *googles*
  127. [13:05:00] <CloCkWeR1> ugh
  128. [13:05:15] <CloCkWeR1> http://ie.microsoft.com/activities/en-en/OSDFIles/LiveSpaces.xml
  129. [13:05:17] <CloCkWeR1> scary looking
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  132. [13:14:45] <CloCkWeR1> mkaply: what'
  133. [13:15:05] <CloCkWeR1> s the best way for a user script to indicate success/failure to the user, without reinventing the wheel?
  134. [13:15:22] <mkaply> CloCkWeR1: I would just alert the error.
  135. [13:15:23] <CloCkWeR1> i'm a little reluctant to just alert() all the time, 'cause it can get really annoying
  136. [13:15:26] <CloCkWeR1> oops
  137. [13:15:31] <CloCkWeR1> alrighty, alert it is
  138. [13:15:44] <mkaply> Since it should be something they can fix in theory
  139. [13:15:59] <mkaply> If you want to, you can check "Operator.debug" to do additional info
  140. [13:16:07] <mkaply> Like if you want to do something more elaborate
  141. [13:16:17] <mkaply> Do it if "Operator.debug" is set (I think you can get at that variable)
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  143. [13:23:22] <CloCkWeR1> mkaply: got an example hcard or three it breaks for you on?
  144. [13:23:37] <CloCkWeR1> (my test cases are http://www.flickr.com/people/clockwerx/ and http://clockwerx.blogspot.com/ )
  145. [13:26:47] <CloCkWeR1> oh, n/m, it's ff3b5 vs the password manager thing i was trying to use
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  147. [13:30:09] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  149. [13:42:59] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com and a neogeographer and is co-founder of Mapufacture
  150. [13:52:57] <mkaply> CloCkWeR1: You can write code that uses both
  151. [13:53:10] <mkaply> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/doron/archives/2007/06/new_password_manager_and_exten.html
  152. [13:53:55] <CloCkWeR1> just finished implementing
  153. [13:54:15] <CloCkWeR1> new patch in moments...
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  155. [14:02:05] <CloCkWeR1> ooh, missed him
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  162. [15:11:59] <jibot> Etherel15 is the God of all porcupines, the religion of PMOG and among other things, pokey and the steampunkin' Lord of all the Porcupines and who is destined to play the new Doctor in 2015. And aside from his devotion to proving that Vigilantes beg the Question, also enjoys Spam sushi
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  168. [15:55:41] <mfbot> [[hlisting-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-proposal&diff=0&oldid=26766 * Mtm * (+102) Nestoria.co.uk is another example in the wild
  169. [16:00:27] <mfbot> [[hlisting-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-feedback&diff=0&oldid=26767 * Mtm * (+5) blog matrix validator not longer works (404), adding Optimus as alternative
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  178. [16:38:27] <mfbot> [[User talk:ABocan]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ABocan&diff=0&oldid=26770 * ABocan * (-294) Pagini oficiale -
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  180. [16:57:32] <GordonO> evening
  181. [16:58:38] <GordonO> Is there something wrong with microformats-dev? I do not get any emails anymore from it though I am registered. I know there is new posts.
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  183. [17:07:55] <mkaply> GordonO: I have the same problem.
  184. [17:08:01] <mkaply> I even re signed up and don't get them
  185. [17:08:04] <mkaply> And they are not in my spam
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  188. [17:10:05] <GordonO> mkaply : sorry, program crashed
  189. [17:10:16] <GordonO> : thanks for the info
  190. [17:10:50] <GordonO> mkaply: btw, there is some talk about your activities plugin here: http://blog.xing.com/2008/04/the-new-interne.html?dpt=ma&ttp=sysnews&plf=mcrsft&xtr=20080414 in case you are interested in it.
  191. [17:11:50] <GordonO> mkaply : its in the comments
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  195. [17:23:11] <mkaply> GordonO: looking. I have a nice new version, but getting it on to addons is a pain right now
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  197. [17:28:18] <GordonO> mkaply: I didn't try out any version of it yet. Didn't find the time to install either FF/IE beta
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  201. [17:31:58] <jibot> tobyink is Toby Inkster <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/>, author of Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/>
  202. [17:32:52] <mfbot> [[User:TobyInk]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:TobyInk&diff=0&oldid=26771 * TobyInk * (+111) Add Acid Test #1
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  206. [17:44:09] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  214. [18:15:50] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  218. [18:35:50] <jibot> tobyink is Toby Inkster <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/>, author of Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/>
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  221. [18:49:46] <madness> can anyone have a look at my hresume CV and tell me if I've done anything wrong ? (I don't think there is currently any kind of consumer or validator for hresume at the moment, is there ?) http://www.markng.co.uk/cv
  222. [18:56:14] <mfbot> [[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=26772 * MarkNg * (+90) New Examples -
  223. [18:56:53] <tobyink> @madness: the vevent ULs could be given class="description"
  224. [18:57:52] <madness> tobyink: yup, that makes sense. I'll do that. thanks
  225. [18:58:49] <madness> tobyink: where I have a paragraph and then a list, would it make more sense to include them both within a div with a class description, also ?
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  230. [19:14:56] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  235. [19:20:19] <tobyink> @madness, probably
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  237. [19:33:26] <mkaply> so does anyone know why people like me aren't getting microformat list stuff?
  238. [19:34:40] <BenWard> Still?! Erk. We made all the _hilarious_ jokes about it last time, didn't we? Who was it who said they'd look into it? Ryan?
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  250. [20:36:38] <jibot> tobyink is Toby Inkster <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/>, author of Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/>
  251. [20:37:28] <tobyink> re the dev list: I've posted two or three messages to it in the last week or so, but none have shown up in the web archives
  252. [20:39:25] <BenWard> I get a few opposite instances; where I post to a list (usually -discuss), don't get it sent back to me, but then it does then appear in archives…
  253. [20:40:21] <tobyink> i should mention i suppose that i'm not subscribed to it. (i avoid subscribing to lists where possible - use a combination of gmane and web archives to keep up)
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  255. [20:44:06] <tobyink> maybe i should subscribe and then go nomail
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  259. [20:59:45] <DanC> right; I think the dev list only accepts postings from subscribers
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  263. [21:19:58] <mkaply> It doesn't look like X2V handles rrule. Are there any exporters that do?
  264. [21:21:24] <mkaply> what is tzid and why isn't it documented?
  265. [21:22:28] * mkaply sees no tzid in the microformat cheat sheet (although there is no rrule either
  266. [21:22:30] <mkaply> This is a problem
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  270. [21:26:52] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  273. [21:30:15] <jibot> tobyink is Toby Inkster <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/>, author of Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/>
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  288. [22:04:46] <jibot> tobyink is Toby Inkster <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/>, author of Cognition <http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/>
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  324. [23:40:45] <mfbot> [[User:WebOrganics]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:WebOrganics&diff=0&oldid=26774 * WebOrganics * (+2)
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