IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-05-22

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  14. [01:47:42] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  29. [03:05:42] <mfbot> [[Talk:vote-links-faq]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:vote-links-faq * JiqQw3 * (+12612)
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  77. [07:28:55] <jibot> mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
  78. [07:53:00] <mfbot> [[Talk:events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:events/2007-02-07-web-directions-north * TmzCzp * (+12779)
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  80. [07:58:52] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  82. [07:59:31] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, lives in Sydney and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au/
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  95. [09:43:10] <jibot> BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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  106. [10:41:56] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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  117. [12:59:00] <mfbot> [[geo-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=27112 * DaCiz * (+94) Geo Examples In The Wild -
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  126. [13:53:51] <mfbot> [[value-excerption-pattern]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/value-excerption-pattern * BenWard * (+3336) Page to document the parsing rules and behaviour for global value excerpting. Work in progress. Needs developer input please.
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  129. [14:38:18] <mfbot> [[value-excerption-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27114 * TobyInk * (+1154) Parsing - Add a few comments
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  131. [14:54:49] <mfbot> [[value-excerption-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27115 * BenWard * (+708) Parsing To-Do - Responses to TobyInk
  132. [14:56:40] <mfbot> [[value-excerption-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27116 * BenWard * (+0) Parsing To-Do - Swapped British English spelling of ‘organiser’ for the ‘correct’ American English spelling of ‘organiser’
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  134. [15:04:22] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  137. [15:29:54] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  139. [15:46:37] <csarven> mkaply re: "When parsing an hCard, if a parser finds a nested hCard, it should treat that hCard as its own object, and treat properties of the nested hCard as only belonging to the nested hCard, not the containing hCard." http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#nested_hCards -- Operator grabs the FN under AGENT as its primary FN
  140. [15:47:00] <mkaply> csarven: Shouldn't if you have the most recent version.
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  142. [15:47:11] <csarven> 0.9.2
  143. [15:47:19] <mkaply> csarven: yeah. I just did 0.9.3. Fixes that
  144. [15:47:25] <csarven> Oh
  145. [15:47:26] <mkaply> look for an update
  146. [15:47:32] <mkaply> you have to keep up man :)
  147. [15:47:46] <mkaply> It was only yesterday afternoon.
  148. [15:47:52] <mkaply> Ton of parser fixes
  149. [15:47:56] <mkaply> well, like 6
  150. [15:48:15] <mkaply> so I guess if each fix weiged like 333 pounds it would be a ton of fixes
  151. [15:51:18] <csarven> Hmm. I still see it grabbing the FN e.g., <div class="vcard"><span class="agent"><span class="fn"></span></span>..</div>
  152. [15:51:34] <mfbot> [[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27117 * BenWard * (+174) As Invisible Supplementary Data - Added link to custom build of HTMLTidy
  153. [15:52:26] <mkaply> csarven: very strange. I was sure that patch went in. Here's my testcase
  154. [15:53:14] <mkaply> <div class="vcard" id="nested_vcard1">
  155. [15:53:15] <mkaply> <div class="agent vcard" id="nested_vcard2">
  156. [15:53:17] <mkaply> <div class="agent vcard" id="nested_vcard3">
  157. [15:53:18] <mkaply> <span class="fn">Bob Smith</span>
  158. [15:53:20] <mkaply> <span class="title">Office Assistant</span>
  159. [15:53:21] <mkaply> </div>
  160. [15:53:23] <mkaply> <span class="fn">Jack Jones</span>
  161. [15:53:24] <mkaply> <span class="title">Executive Assistant</span>
  162. [15:53:26] <mkaply> </div>
  163. [15:53:27] <mkaply> <span class="fn">John Doe</span>
  164. [15:53:29] <mkaply> <span class="title">CEO</span>
  165. [15:53:30] <mkaply> </div>
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  167. [15:53:43] <csarven> That would work yes because you have an FN outside of AGENT
  168. [15:54:03] <mkaply> csarven: You have a vcard with no fn at all? with an agent in it?
  169. [15:54:10] <csarven> Unless I'm totally getting this wrong
  170. [15:54:38] <mkaply> I see the problem.
  171. [15:54:44] <mkaply> You didn't mark the agent as a vcard
  172. [15:55:44] <csarven> I didn't, however shouldn't the vcard have an FN as a child?
  173. [15:55:47] <mfbot> [[hatom-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=27118 * KebabKing * (+121) 0.1 hAtom examples -
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  175. [15:56:35] <mkaply> csarven: descendant, not child.
  176. [15:56:58] <mfbot> [[hatom-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=27119 * KebabKing * (+41) 0.1 hAtom examples -
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  178. [15:58:25] <csarven> So in your example FN for nested_vcard1 is John Doe, but if you remove that FN then the FN for nested_vcard1 becomes Jack Jones?
  179. [15:59:10] <mkaply> csarven: actually it would become invalid. that Jack Jones fn is only intended to be used inside of the Jack Jones agent vcard.
  180. [15:59:17] <csarven> In other words the entity in question is also its own agent
  181. [15:59:35] <mkaply> I made nested microformat completely opaque where property names are the same.
  182. [15:59:50] <mkaply> so an fn in a vcard would never bubble up to a vcard above it
  183. [15:59:59] <csarven> Right I thought it would be invalid. That's what I ran into. If you don't have John Doe there, then it assigns Jack Jones
  184. [16:00:51] <csarven> With the exception of the agent not also having a vcard
  185. [16:00:54] <mkaply> In Operator 0.9.3, if I remove the John Doe fn, I get one vcard as invalid. Which is what I would expect
  186. [16:01:08] <csarven> I think that was my problem as you mentioned earlire
  187. [16:03:15] <csarven> I see. You are bang on.
  188. [16:03:15] <csarven> THanks
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  190. [16:14:52] <mkaply> csarven: I need a tip jar :)
  191. [16:15:07] <csarven> I believe you :P
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