IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-06-23

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  2. [00:09:19] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  15. [01:41:52] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  23. [02:02:10] <jibot> rmarkwhite is Robert Mark White
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  25. [02:03:35] <mfbot> [[review-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=review-formats&diff=0&oldid=27387 * BkmQhu * (+12698)
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  29. [02:38:28] <greenbes> Hi. I have begun work on a new microformat, and I'd like to know what the community guidelines/practices are.
  30. [02:38:47] <greenbes> Should I just stick up a page on the wiki, or does the community prefer pre-vetting on the mailing list first?
  31. [02:40:23] <greenbes> Is there an approval/acceptance process? I looked around the wiki, but didn't see anything about it. I'll happily RTFM if you show me where the FM is. :-)
  32. [02:42:42] <greenbes> Aha! I found introductory material cleverly hidden on the main page. You are tricky devils, all.
  33. [02:44:20] <greenbes> Thanks!
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  48. [07:07:29] <mfbot> [[review-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=review-formats&diff=0&oldid=27388 * RyanKing * (-12698) Reverted edit of BkmQhu, changed back to last version by TobyInk
  49. [07:08:40] <mfbot> [[Talk:location-tagging]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:location-tagging * EegH17 * (+12539)
  50. [07:08:46] <mfbot> [[Talk:music-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:music-examples * RwwRvc * (+12539)
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  54. [07:20:16] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  59. [08:03:38] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  62. [08:29:13] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  80. [10:33:26] <tommorris> anyone see this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/06/removing_microformats_from_bbc.shtml ?
  81. [10:40:02] <Phae> ofc. ;)
  82. [10:40:09] <Phae> i just linked it to my thread on mf-dev
  83. [10:53:21] <mfbot> [[datetime-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27389 * Dracos * (+366) Add my opinion on datetime in class
  84. [10:56:57] <tommorris> I don't like it, but I dislike it less than inaccessible pages
  85. [10:57:17] <Phae> sure.
  86. [10:57:31] <Phae> extending html 4 is never going to be especially pretty, if you want to keep it all valid
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  321. [21:50:10] <tantek> greetings. i've been thinking about the idea of a regular microformats dinner for community members (old and new) to meet IRL and discuss whatever is on their mind regarding microformats.
  322. [21:50:42] <Phae> in SF, i assume
  323. [21:51:11] <tantek> Wherever there is sufficient local critical mass
  324. [21:51:22] <tantek> SF is an obvious place to start
  325. [21:51:38] <tantek> then again, London has had Pub Stan˾qs for quite some time, and nothing resembling that exists in SF.
  326. [21:51:48] <Phae> i've been wondering if drew and i can turn these vevents into regular things. we're thinking of when to do our 3rd at the moment.
  327. [21:52:33] <tantek> The community and adoption have grown considerably over the last year, and news of adoptions (or challenges, like BBC) come up frequently enough that there would be no shortage of new topics to discuss on a weekly basis.
  328. [21:52:45] <Phae> yeah
  329. [21:53:14] <Phae> weekly might be pushing it. we find with pub standards that the monthly one has a good turn out, but our one in between each one doesn't do as well
  330. [21:53:24] <Phae> it's not easy to get people to commit that regularly.
  331. [21:54:00] <Phae> but yeah - try it :)
  332. [21:54:00] <tantek> from having spoken to folks, the idea is to make it so that people know it is happening regularly and that they can come whichever ones they can make it to
  333. [21:54:09] <Phae> yeah
  334. [21:54:35] <tantek> Tuesdays 6:30pm is what we are looking at, with a rotating venue to keep it interesting
  335. [21:55:18] <hober> I'll float the idea down here (SD), see if there's critical mass
  336. [21:55:19] <Phae> ok. again - our PS experience is better turn out at the same venue, lower when we move. but it's no harm trying out a few. might find somwhere perfect for all the time
  337. [21:55:34] <Phae> but that could also be grumpy british people
  338. [21:55:36] <Phae> not liking change
  339. [21:55:53] <hober> I think there were ~50% locals at the one we had while you were @ the CSS WG, tantek
  340. [21:55:56] <tantek> LOL. the venues we choose will likely be fairly close to each other, and all within easy reach of mass transit
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  342. [21:56:10] <Phae> yeah.
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  345. [21:56:34] <tantek> and if we happen to pick venues with wifi then perhaps dinners happening within the same time zone might be able to share a bit of the cross-talk
  346. [21:56:53] <Phae> yeah, perhaps.
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  348. [21:57:39] <tantek> though the whole "laptops out while you are eating dinner" thing is more of an SF thing I think. I haven't really seen it much elsewhere (though would be happy to be proven wrong)
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  350. [21:58:07] <Phae> i think it depends on the agenda
  351. [21:58:53] <tantek> Tuesdays in general seem to work well here in SF - I wonder if Tuesdays would work well in other cities
  352. [21:59:44] <Phae> we have so many user groups going on around here. most nights are something. tuesday is good tho - quieter - easier for getting tables for food in larger numbers
  353. [22:00:00] <Phae> it's fairly practical
  354. [22:00:05] <tantek> there really is something in the news every week about microformats: http://news.google.com/news?q=microformats&ie=UTF-8&scoring=n
  355. [22:00:28] <tantek> love it: "Turn boring old contact information into exciting hCards" from http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1443821/fast_and_easy_website_tuneups/
  356. [22:00:28] <Phae> yep. :)
  357. [22:01:43] <tantek> Phae did you see or have any thoughts about my "datevalue" and "timevalue" longhand brainstorm?
  358. [22:01:58] <Phae> er - on the wiki? no. not had time
  359. [22:02:08] <tantek> no just a blurb in IRC - it was a fleeting thought
  360. [22:02:14] <tantek> I need to do a proper writeup on the wiki
  361. [22:02:18] <Phae> oh. no, i haven't seen that then
  362. [22:03:16] <tantek> it's the combination of an extension of value-excerpt thinking, and an inversion of the fn shorthand thinking (into longhand thinking) in order to allow marking up separate elements for the date and for the time for a single overall datetime property.
  363. [22:03:25] <tantek> no change in semantics
  364. [22:03:36] <tantek> (mutation, addition, or subtraction)
  365. [22:03:46] <Phae> m'k. i think i need examples :)
  366. [22:03:57] <Phae> i can think about things better when i see a code snip
  367. [22:05:18] <tantek> fair enough. :) basically I've observed that content publishers often place the date and the time separately in presentation, and whenever I've been asked how to mark that up with, it's always bothered me a bit to have to suggest that they pick the more specific of the two (the time) and use the abbr-datetime pattern accordingly, because of the duplication of the date information in a location that may be "distant" from th
  368. [22:05:53] <Phae> your very long reply got cut off ""distant" from th..."
  369. [22:05:56] <tantek> I'll try to write up some examples
  370. [22:06:05] <tantek> ... "distant" from the human visible date.
  371. [22:06:19] <Phae> okay
  372. [22:06:22] <Phae> that sounds interesting
  373. [22:06:25] <tantek> I might even write a blog post about this
  374. [22:06:46] <tantek> as it's been something I've been background-thinking for some time, wondering how "bad" would it be, what were the downsides etc.
  375. [22:07:11] <Phae> yeah. seems like we're doing a lot of talk about "what's the least bad" thing to do all th time.
  376. [22:07:54] <tantek> And my original blog post on "Human vs. ISO8601 dates problem solved" is over 3 years old now and could use an update with experience gained etc.
  377. [22:08:08] <Phae> okay, sounds good.
  378. [22:08:30] <tantek> I still believe that abbr works just fine for plain *dates*
  379. [22:08:34] <tantek> (without time)
  380. [22:08:51] <Phae> it's got perfectly legitimate specific uses
  381. [22:08:52] <tantek> e.g. <abbr title="2008-06-23">6/23</abbr>
  382. [22:08:56] <Phae> no one quibbles that
  383. [22:09:09] <Phae> it's when it gets a bit more... abstract...
  384. [22:09:09] <tantek> or even <abbr title="2008-06-23">today</abbr>
  385. [22:09:35] <Phae> and then it all gets rather grey and i just feel we should allow people to express that data in the way that is most appropriate to their use case
  386. [22:09:41] <Phae> that's all i really care about
  387. [22:11:43] <csarven> Would anyone like to give this http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-June/012156.html a shot?
  388. [22:13:08] <Phae> not for me. i gotta go. nudge drew - isn't that up his street?
  389. [22:13:16] <tantek> I'm leaning towards ditching all use (recommended and otherwise) of object for the include pattern
  390. [22:13:29] <Phae> :) ciao guys.
  391. [22:13:32] * Phae (n=user@82-44-60-36.cable.ubr01.mort.blueyonder.co.uk) Quit ("Leaving.")
  392. [22:13:33] <tantek> later Phae!
  393. [22:14:20] <tantek> csarven, it appears we may have made an error with the precise semantics of object with respect to the include pattern - which would mean we would only have the <a href> include method left
  394. [22:14:54] <csarven> Right.
  395. [22:15:00] <tantek> the problem is that for our include purpose we actually want to do a transclusion, where the content is incorporated
  396. [22:15:12] <tantek> rather than an embedding, where the content gets its own "space" (frame, context, etc.)
  397. [22:15:34] <tantek> and HTML lacks transclusion semantics
  398. [22:16:10] <tantek> so we attempted to create transclusion semantics via a variant of embedding semantics (object)
  399. [22:17:10] <tantek> but since it seems more and more implementations want to always treat object as embedding and not allow for any other uses, there is little opportunity to create transclusion semantics there
  400. [22:17:56] <tantek> thus we attempt to create transclusion semantics via a variant of hyperlink semantics (a href) which has better "downlevel" behavior by useragents that don't understand the transclusion variant
  401. [22:19:01] <csarven> Is transclusion necessary? Isn't the use of <a> sufficient both semantically and for the purposes of include-pattern in microformats?
  402. [22:19:17] <tantek> the include-pattern *is* semantic transclusion
  403. [22:19:39] <tantek> including a chunk of data from one place in the document into another place in the document is what transclusion is!
  404. [22:23:37] <csarven> In this case, it is for the microformats parser. As you said, there is no way to do transclusions in HTML. The HTML itself does not necessarily need to do a transclusion. Here we are trying to grab it for the microformats parser. What I'm trying to clarify is whether <a> is sufficient.
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  406. [22:25:57] <tantek> csarven, parsing is just one implementation of the semantics that we are introducing
  407. [22:26:46] <tantek> I think the <a href> semantic transclusion method is sufficient, but IIRC there may be outstanding issues to address. Ben Ward is more familiar with the current state of said issues and their resolutions.
  408. [22:27:22] <csarven> IIRC one of the earlier reasons for the include-pattern was to minimise redundant information in HTML by referring to the canonical version.
  409. [22:27:51] <csarven> e.g. hCards in hResume
  410. [22:30:30] <tantek> only indirectly
  411. [22:31:06] <tantek> the primary reason was to adapt to the existing content publishing practice of putting some information only in one place, and not all over the place
  412. [22:31:17] <tantek> focus on *existing content publishing practice*
  413. [22:31:32] <tantek> the DRY benefits are secondary / incidental. not primary.
  414. [22:31:45] <tantek> the particular example being resumes
  415. [22:31:59] <tantek> and a person's name being place only *once* on a resume, at the top
  416. [22:34:10] <csarven> If that is the primary reason, I fail to see why this is something microformats should solve if HTML is not equipped to do so (re: transclusion). (I may be overlooking something here) The only case for the 'transclusion' that I can see is for the parser.
  417. [22:35:26] <tantek> it is necessary for valid hCards in hResume as you indicated
  418. [22:35:57] <tantek> and arguing "only case ... I can see" is never a good basis for an argument
  419. [22:35:59] <tantek> absence of a negative is not a proof
  420. [22:37:13] <tantek> first logical flaw documented on the wiki: http://microformats.org/wiki/logical-flaws#Absence_of_a_negative_is_not_proof
  421. [22:37:19] <csarven> Not an argument. I'm just trying to fill in the gaps. Like I said, I may be overlooking something here as the original intention of 'transclusion' in microformats is for something other then the parser - inwhich I don't understand why this is something microformats should solve if HTML is unable to do so.
  422. [22:37:57] <tantek> microformats focus primarily on semantics
  423. [22:38:04] <tantek> parsing is only *one* thing you can do with semantics
  424. [22:38:21] <tantek> the implementation is not the same as the meaning
  425. [22:38:49] <tantek> also, the phrase " why this is something microformats should solve if HTML is unable to do so." makes no sense
  426. [22:39:30] <tantek> what microformats focus on solving is not determined by "if HTML is unable to do so" nor the negation thereof
  427. [22:40:05] <csarven> I was responding to your suggestion: [18:35:02] <tantek> the primary reason was to adapt to the existing content publishing practice of putting some information only in one place, and not all over the place
  428. [22:40:54] <tantek> regardless of what you were responding to, that phrase didn't make any sense
  429. [22:41:06] <csarven> I'll correct my grammar
  430. [22:41:08] <tantek> that phrase contains assumptions about what microformats should/should not solve which are false
  431. [22:41:56] <tantek> the question of what microformats should / should not solve is answered by http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats
  432. [22:41:59] <csarven> include-pattern is for the parser. Can we agree on this?
  433. [22:42:26] <tantek> csarven see above. include-pattern is for expressing a semantic that maps to existing content publishing practices.
  434. [22:42:49] <tantek> expressing that semantic helps anything parsing semantics as any expression of semantics does
  435. [22:42:53] <tantek> but that is an *effect*
  436. [22:42:56] <tantek> not the "for"
  437. [22:43:15] <tantek> we're not here driven by parsers
  438. [22:43:20] <csarven> I understand that.
  439. [22:43:42] <csarven> However, would you be able to tell me the purpose of include-pattern without considering the effect?
  440. [22:44:02] <tantek> i don't understand what point you are trying to make csarven
  441. [22:44:16] <tantek> you asked for the reason for include-pattern, and I gave it.
  442. [22:45:26] <csarven> As I understand it, include-pattern is for the parser. Whether it is an effect or not is not the point because we can't consider include-pattern in isolation as it is intended to be flag for some parser.
  443. [22:45:56] <tantek> actually, whether it is an effect or not *is* the point
  444. [22:46:17] <tantek> because those that design directly for parsers have come up with all sorts of formats that are easy to parse, and very bad for content publishing
  445. [22:46:33] <tantek> the focus matters
  446. [22:46:56] <tantek> microformats is not the place for focusing on things primarily for parsing
  447. [22:47:06] <csarven> What I'm trying to say is that <a> is sufficient for the transclusion effect because include-pattern is eventually for the parser. We've covered that 'transclusion' can't be done in HTML (hence, not directly available for the human without an external processor/parser)
  448. [22:47:07] <tantek> microformats focus more on content publishing patterns
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  450. [22:47:45] <tantek> but there is no reason to make such a roundabout statement
  451. [22:48:03] <tantek> <a href> appears to be sufficient for semantic transclusion
  452. [22:48:12] <tantek> with the use of the include-pattern
  453. [22:48:23] <tantek> no need to discuss parsers at all
  454. [22:48:32] <csarven> Alright.
  455. [22:48:40] <tantek> and the fact that you are attempting to think of it in a parser-centric fashion should raise a red-flag
  456. [22:49:05] <tantek> parser-centric thinking leads to poor content formats and content-unfriendly schemas
  457. [22:49:25] <csarven> I brought up the parsers because you mentioned the publishing practices
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  459. [22:53:28] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=27398 * Tantek * (+398) microformats weekly meetup dinner, added a bit more hCalendar markup
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  461. [22:55:04] <mfbot> [[event-template]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/event-template * Tantek * (+29)
  462. [22:55:55] <mfbot> [[logical-flaws]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=logical-flaws&diff=0&oldid=27399 * Tantek * (+14)
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  465. [22:57:27] <csarven> tantek Can we ditch <object>? If yes, when?
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  468. [22:58:33] <tantek> I'm leaning towards ditching <object> as an instance of the include-pattern
  469. [22:58:40] <tantek> I would like to hear others' opinions
  470. [22:58:41] <csarven> How to proceed: will you reply back to the mailing list? or wait for others to respond? Can I modify the Wiki entry?
  471. [22:58:42] <csarven> Right
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  473. [22:59:03] <tantek> the way to proceed is to use the wiki
  474. [22:59:20] <tantek> in this case since this is an issue regarding the include pattern, start with include-pattern-issues
  475. [22:59:35] <tantek> see if this issue is raised or not, if not, add it, along with your proposed resolution
  476. [22:59:55] <csarven> We could move the Object into its own page or perhaps under -issues for archival.
  477. [22:59:59] <tantek> then others can add their +/-1 with their name accordingly on the proposed resolution, and/or offer other proposed resolutions
  478. [23:00:28] <tantek> once it appears the issue has a fairly good consensus resolution, then the editor should update the spec accordingly
  479. [23:00:39] <tantek> but start with /wiki/include-pattern-issues
  480. [23:00:56] <tantek> that's the right place to capture this sort of thing
  481. [23:00:58] <tantek> not the mailing list
  482. [23:01:11] <tantek> mailing lists are very poor for discussing/resolving issues in any sort of documentable way
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  485. [23:11:31] <csarven> tantek Thanks
  486. [23:11:52] <mfbot> [[events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner * Tantek * (+4198) drafted
  487. [23:17:28] <mfbot> [[events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner&diff=0&oldid=27400 * EdwardOConnor * (+16) weekly meetup - I'm looking into getting the San Diego one going
  488. [23:17:29] <pjkix> nice, but will there be more cupcakes? :P
  489. [23:17:52] <pjkix> btw, tantek you got a link to some of those pics from friday?
  490. [23:18:07] <tantek> hey pj
  491. [23:18:26] <tantek> the availability of cupcakes depends on the venue
  492. [23:18:41] <tantek> feel free to add venue suggestions to http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner
  493. [23:19:22] <pjkix> cool, i don't have any preference really, just happy to meet up
  494. [23:19:57] <tantek> add yourself to the attendees from the bday dinner! http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-06-20-3rd-bday-dinner-sf#attendees
  495. [23:22:54] <mfbot> [[events/2008-06-20-3rd-bday-dinner-sf]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-06-20-3rd-bday-dinner-sf&diff=0&oldid=27401 * PJKix * (+27) attendees - - adding myself to the attendees list :)
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  497. [23:31:11] <mfbot> [[events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner&diff=0&oldid=27402 * Tantek * (+21) made Chaat Cafe the current choice, unless another more popular venue shows up
  498. [23:31:42] <mfbot> [[events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner&diff=0&oldid=27403 * Tantek * (+6)
  499. [23:32:18] <mfbot> [[events-template]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-template&diff=0&oldid=27404 * Tantek * (+23)
  500. [23:33:44] <mfbot> [[events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-06-23-weekly-meetup-dinner&diff=0&oldid=27405 * Tantek * (+2)
  501. [23:35:00] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=27406 * Csarven * (+1632) Proposal to remove <object> and mention of the actual behaviour for a browser
  502. [23:35:44] <csarven> Is the Wiki able to send an email on Watched entries?
  503. [23:35:58] <tantek> I don't think so
  504. [23:36:33] <csarven> How do you find out about Wiki changes when you are not on IRC?
  505. [23:37:22] <csarven> By visiting the Watchlist I suppose everytime.
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  507. [23:39:31] <tantek> I check the Recent Changes page
  508. [23:39:32] <jibot> AMathews is a GSoC student working on the joys of SVG filters
  509. [23:39:43] <tantek> also, IRC logs :D
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