IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-08-15

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  8. [01:33:56] <mfbot> [[User:JacobMalthouse]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:JacobMalthouse&diff=0&oldid=28224 * Tantek * (+214) please read [[introduction]], [[how-to-play]], [[process]] etc. before proposing any microformats
  9. [01:35:27] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=28225 * Tantek * (-76) remove rel-ecolabel - certainly not a draft
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  11. [01:36:56] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  13. [01:51:13] <mfbot> [[exploratory-discussions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=exploratory-discussions&diff=0&oldid=28226 * Tantek * (+673) moved rel-ecolabel from home page to a new "failed to follow process" section. moved a few others there too. more to come I'm sure.
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  15. [02:11:08] <jibot> factoryjoe is an open source advocate and can be found at factoryjoe.com
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  21. [02:38:02] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  23. [02:52:17] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, Developer - tweets at @broady and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au
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  28. [03:52:49] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  31. [04:14:14] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, Developer - tweets at @broady and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au
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  38. [06:24:33] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  42. [07:02:14] <AndrewDisley> ?def andrewdisley
  43. [07:02:20] <AndrewDisley> ?def andrewdisley is a Freelance Front-End Web Developer from Manchester, UK: http://andrewdisley.com/
  44. [07:02:21] <jibot> andrewdisley is a Freelance Front-End Web Developer from Manchester, UK: http://andrewdisley.com/
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  47. [07:10:01] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  48. [07:40:08] <mfbot> [[User:MartinLeidl]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:MartinLeidl * MartinLeidl * (+120)
  49. [07:40:59] <mfbot> [[User:MartinLeidl]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:MartinLeidl&diff=0&oldid=28227 * MartinLeidl * (+1)
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  52. [08:30:44] <jibot> rmarkwhite is Robert Mark White
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  54. [09:06:35] <jibot> mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
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  56. [09:23:21] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
  57. [09:52:11] <mfbot> [[events/2008-06-20-3rd-bday-dinner-sf]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-06-20-3rd-bday-dinner-sf&diff=0&oldid=28228 * Tantek * (+40) added video of microformats 3rd birthday
  58. [09:52:57] <mfbot> [[events/2008-06-20-3rd-bday-dinner-sf]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-06-20-3rd-bday-dinner-sf&diff=0&oldid=28229 * Tantek * (+13)
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  61. [10:31:11] <jibot> renke2 is Renke Grunwald and Der Geist der stets verneint
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  71. [11:57:10] <jamesjeffery> When creating a VCard do I need to provide <span class="type">Work</span> ? If you look here, when I export I am getting type: other on apple: http://jamesjeffery.co.uk/shaz/ . I would rather not have telephone: work: #number . In the case of this site there is only one number.
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  74. [12:11:19] <jibot> rmarkwhite is Robert Mark White
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  80. [13:33:52] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  91. [14:41:52] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  105. [17:13:21] <jibot> pjkix is PJ Khalil a Web Developer in SF and can be found online at http://pjkix.com
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  109. [17:21:33] <jibot> BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Brickhouse and a microformats.org admin and http://ben-ward.co.uk
  110. [17:37:00] <mfbot> [[wordpress-support]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress-support&diff=0&oldid=28230 * Tantek * (+22) TOC cleanup
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  113. [17:46:01] <mfbot> [[cms]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/cms * Tantek * (+527) drafted
  114. [17:47:17] <mfbot> [[wordpress-support]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress-support&diff=0&oldid=28231 * Tantek * (+4)
  115. [17:47:38] <mfbot> [[Wordpress]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Wordpress * Tantek * (+23)
  116. [17:49:44] <mfbot> [[wordpress]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress&diff=0&oldid=28232 * Tantek * (+49)
  117. [17:52:35] <mfbot> [[wordpress]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress&diff=0&oldid=28233 * Tantek * (+255) note re: installing TinyMCE plugins in modx
  118. [17:54:12] <mfbot> [[wordpress]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress&diff=0&oldid=28234 * Tantek * (+169) added blog posts section with post from microformats blog re: publishing microformats in Wordpress
  119. [18:01:08] <mfbot> [[WordPress]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/WordPress * Tantek * (+23)
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  121. [18:02:09] <mfbot> [[wordpress-themes]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/wordpress-themes * Tantek * (+2090) draft based on existing Wordpress and support content
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  123. [18:05:36] <jibot> AndrewDisley is a Freelance Front-End Web Developer from Manchester, UK: http://andrewdisley.com/
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  125. [18:13:50] <mfbot> [[wordpress-plugins]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/wordpress-plugins * Tantek * (+3688) drafted based on content from wordpress and support pages
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  127. [18:14:51] <mfbot> [[wordpress]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress&diff=0&oldid=28235 * Tantek * (-677) incorporate and consolidate wordpress support info, create separate pages for themes and plugins because there are so many now!
  128. [18:17:23] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "wordpress-support": consolidated content (all 2008) into other more specific pages.
  129. [18:18:34] <mfbot> [[wordpress-support]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/wordpress-support * Tantek * (+23) main wordpress page outlines support and points to specific areas
  130. [18:19:50] <mfbot> [[wordpress-themes]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=wordpress-themes&diff=0&oldid=28236 * Tantek * (+111)
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  139. [19:29:40] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  146. [20:30:50] <jibot> DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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  148. [20:41:41] * DanC is stepping back to think about the X in (X)HTML
  149. [20:42:20] <DanC> "In many ways, XHTML based formats exemplify the best of both HTML and XML worlds. " -- http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-xhtml-design-principles
  150. [20:53:28] <mfbot> [[events/2008-07-29-weekly-meetup-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-07-29-weekly-meetup-dinner&diff=0&oldid=28237 * Tantek * (+120) added a few tweet links
  151. [20:56:43] <DanC> hmm... json2posh... I was wondering about the state-of-the-art there... I was going to code something up but found a mismatch in the structures; bummer I didn't capture my thoughts in writing...
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  153. [20:57:16] <DanC> "objects are converted to Unordered Lists". oh. not <dl>?
  154. [20:57:39] <DanC> hmm... "Strings are checked for urls"
  155. [20:58:08] <DanC> "The result is then stored in a placeholder div" <- that's the sort of mismatch I was trying to avoid
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  162. [21:11:38] <hober> json2xoxo would make more sense
  163. [21:11:49] <DanC> yeah, that's where I started
  164. [21:12:38] <DanC> tantek's todo list still links to http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-uris . I guess he doesn't prune all that actively
  165. [21:12:54] <tantek> Hi DanC
  166. [21:13:05] <tantek> indeed I need to do some updating of that list
  167. [21:13:15] <DanC> the tidy bug about multiple profiles dates from 2005. time flies
  168. [21:13:25] <DanC> hi tantek
  169. [21:15:43] <tantek> was tidy ever fixed?
  170. [21:16:12] <DanC> don't think so...
  171. [21:16:46] <DanC> the HTML specs aren't sufficiently clear about allowing multiple profiles
  172. [21:17:10] <DanC> the trend is toward 0. sigh.
  173. [21:18:30] <DanC> I'm sorta preparing for a TAG meeting in late september. (I'm hosting in KC :) taking a step back to think about the costs/benefits of XML-wfness, URI-based extensibility, and the like.
  174. [21:19:51] <DanC> they still appeal to me, but I don't see an argument that's likely to get a critical mass of support in the HTML WG.
  175. [21:20:58] <DanC> meanwhile, the mobileOK checker, which is a cool idea at first glance, is based on XHTML Basic 1.1 which requires the application/xhtml+xml mime type.
  176. [21:21:24] <DanC> the nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.
  177. [21:21:26] <DanC> :-/
  178. [21:23:21] <DanC> ew... my dog just let one fly in my office. hmm... maybe that's the signal to switch from office mode to prep for 9-yr-old birthday party
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  181. [21:30:39] <odeland> greetings people
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  183. [21:31:03] <jibot> gsnedders is a mad teenager from Scotland and the blogger over at that madly unguessable IRI of <http://gsnedders.com>
  184. [21:31:27] <odeland> I was wondering if anyone could help me with the hCard -> vCard script.
  185. [21:31:52] <odeland> I can't find the php version on the mercurial repo
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  187. [21:33:39] <tantek> DanC - HTML is quite clear re: multiple profiles in that prose says multiple, and prose supercedes (i.e. provides detailed clarifications) over DTD or anything else machine readable (grammars).
  188. [21:34:10] <tantek> we may solve this with rel="profile" anyway
  189. [21:35:17] * odeland feels like he's surrounded by bots
  190. [21:36:03] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-profile
  191. [21:36:16] <tantek> odeland - the script is XSLT
  192. [21:36:21] <tantek> for hCard to vCard
  193. [21:36:55] <tantek> depending on how you want to run it, which version of PHP you have etc., you need a little bit of PHP wrapper code to take the HTTP request, send it through the script and pass back the results
  194. [21:37:13] <odeland> aaah, I see
  195. [21:38:30] <odeland> any example of that wrapper code? I never really played with XSLT, but I think I understand that it can be used to extract information
  196. [21:38:46] <odeland> indeed
  197. [21:38:56] <odeland> thanks for pointing out.
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  205. [22:27:49] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  216. [23:54:34] <mfbot> [[namespaces-considered-harmful]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=28239 * Tantek * (+1018) added additional namespaces criticisms from #whatwg IRC hsivonen othermaciej
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