IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-01-16
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- [07:24:28] <benward>
Does anyone know where the inverse page of ‘social-network-anti-patterns’ is on the wiki? I'm looking for a page filled with good examples of _best practice_ on social networks.
- [07:24:55] <benward>
(It's not linked off the anti-pattern page Related Pages, if it's there)
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- [07:50:54] <Marv>
I'm guessing this would be a list of examples that've implemented the stuff listed in social-network-portability ?
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- [07:52:39] <benward>
I guess so. I'm assuming that probably have an equivalent ‘praise’ page for the criticisms, but it's buried :/
- [07:55:21] <Marv>
perhaps people don't think about the good examples because the definition of a good example is something thats so intuitive that you don't notice ?
- [07:55:54] <Marv>
whereas annoyances are counter-intuitive and are easily noticeable
- [07:56:01] <benward>
Well. I'm thinking of things like User Voice, where I sign in with my OpenID, and when I bounch back, it already knows my name and email address from my hCard.
- [07:56:36] <benward>
And yes, you're right that's much easier to criticise the bad.
- [07:56:40] <tantek>
yes the inverse of the anti-patterns page is the social-network-portability page
- [07:57:03] <Marv>
hrm. I'm wondering if my site is in danger of going over "join to fix your profile"
- [07:57:27] <Marv>
I'm currently in the process of adding stuff to expand the list of information sources about an individual
- [07:57:55] * Marv is taking the policy of refusing to use any source that cannot be authenticated as belonging to that person, even if I know personally that it does
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- [07:59:40] <Marv>
since the purpose of logging in would be to expand the data made available (data that could not be obtained without the individual's interaction), not correct the data about them, does that count as "join to fix your profile" ?
- [08:00:24] <benward>
Not if they can go back to your source of their data and correct that and have it propogate
- [08:00:39] <benward>
It's a difficult thing to do without it seeming creepy though
- [08:01:19] <benward>
Critically, I'm advocating that where you have data crawled and aggregated like that, make the source clear to the user (whether they be a member or not)
- [08:02:07] <Marv>
the data isn't so much aggregated as restructured and cross-referenced.
- [08:02:08] <benward>
See: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/portable_social_networks_building_blocks_of_a_social_web/ and find-in-page down to the ‘Aside: A note about terrifying your users’ heading :)
- [08:02:24] <Marv>
the original source doesn't use any semantics whatsoever
- [08:02:56] <Marv>
the majority of the data is just 1:1 mapping with microformats applied
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I see. Well, I think the critical thing is that so long as the user can change the original location of that data and have your site update, you're being a Good Citizen. But making clear where the info came from is vital in that.
- [08:04:18] <Marv>
the original source is typically linked via <link rel="alternate" href="{url to original source}"
- [08:04:47] <Marv>
so I'm not sure the "making it clear" part is covered
- [08:05:15] <benward>
I'm meaning it as part of the user interfaace
- [08:06:03] <benward>
If it's a profile listing my name and avatar, it should say ‘Source: ben-ward.co.uk’, if you list my nickname as ‘Shovel’ it should say ‘source: last.fm’
- [08:06:13] * Marv pastebins some examples so you can give feedback on what you mean
- [08:06:18] <benward>
Sure :)
- [08:07:24] <Marv>
while I have you attention and I'm building the pastebin, could I poke you for thoughts on inconsistencies between various microformats parsers ?
- [08:09:16] <benward>
Some are more complete/up-to-date than others, basically
- [08:09:44] <Marv>
I've mentioned this to tantek previously, he suggested running the document through a validator to see if the parsers were just more strict with error handling
- [08:10:15] <Marv>
Operator detects the events in a document I generate dynamically, whereas the X2V tool on Suda.co.uk and the Technorati feeds tool both fail to detect them
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http://svc.sl.marvulous.co.uk/viewer%20downloads/
- [08:11:47] <tantek>
Marv, that's because Operator acts on the DOM after browser processing of scripts, whereas X2V acts only on the markup.
- [08:11:58] <benward>
When you say generate dynamically you mean with JavaScript?
- [08:12:04] <Marv>
PHP
- [08:12:23] <tantek>
similarly Operator can detect microformats in password protected pages when viewed, whereas X2V, lacking access, can't
- [08:12:33] <Marv>
it's generated by XPath/regex scraping Amazon S3 buckets and Apache directory lists
- [08:12:49] <benward>
Oh, well if it'
- [08:12:55] <Marv>
dumped into a smarty template
- [08:13:20] <benward>
Oh, well if it's published to the page using PHP then it should be present for X2V. Must be an issue in the mark-up you;re putting out, Will take a look in asec
- [08:13:20] <Marv>
so the document is "static", but not generated by a human
- [08:15:12] <Marv>
I'm wondering if its related to the use of the include pattern :-s
- [08:15:22] <Marv>
(which I'm never sure if I'm using right)
- [08:17:32] <Marv>
bah
- [08:17:37] <Marv>
pastebin tripped the spam filter
- [08:18:16] <Marv>
http://pastebin.ca/1309909
- [08:26:04] <Marv>
ah yes, that reminds me
- [08:26:07] <Marv>
Pingerati
- [08:26:26] <Marv>
Unless they've added it back in the last several months, Eventful doesn't have a ping service any more
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wb, tantek
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i get an error message with the firefox plugin "operator" when parsing my hevent, is someone willing to help?
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somebody active?
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Curtis edited firefox-extensions "/* Giftag */ " (-4) http://is.gd/g9qB
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I'm looking for ways to represent an email header using microformats.
- [22:12:44] <Atamido>
Obviously the hcard would be used.
- [22:12:52] <Atamido>
But I'm wondering if there is anything else.
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- [22:13:31] <Atamido>
Subject, Message ID, etc.
- [22:17:12] <tantek>
hAtom ?
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subject = entry-summary
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messageID = permalink
- [22:18:23] <Atamido>
Oooh, clever.
- [22:18:58] <Atamido>
If I have a mailto: link with someone's name, how do I label that?
- [22:19:42] * Atamido is really rusty.
- [22:20:47] <tobyink>
<span class="vcard"><a href="mailto:..." class="fn email">...</a></span>
- [22:21:42] <Atamido>
Thanks, my brain is a bit fried right now.
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- [22:22:47] <Atamido>
I've had to build a listserv archive system in PHP and I'm going through consolidating all of my code, and it just occurred to me that I should be using microformats on all of this.
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I have an XOXO tree with this information: [Message subject <link to message>] [Message author] [Message date]
- [22:25:43] <tantek>
sounds perfect for hAtom
- [22:28:57] <Atamido>
Would I only have the root of the XOXO be an HFEED?
- [22:30:17] <tobyink>
You could use class="hfeed xoxo", but the "hfeed" element is optional - if a bunch of hentrys are found on a page, the whole page is assumed to be an hfeed.
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Can an hentry contain another hentry?
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most parsers should be able to cope with it.
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tantek: not sure about message-id = permalink. Message-IDs aren't URIs.
- [22:35:47] <tantek>
tobyink indeed. more like ~
- [22:35:57] <tantek>
you could make a message-id into a URI
- [22:37:17] <tobyink>
and why hasn't anyone done this with microformats.org/discuss? ;-)
- [22:37:20] <Atamido>
According to the SMTP specs, the MessageID should be unique to a single email in the entire world.
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tobyink - that's an excellent point
- [22:38:10] <tantek>
I suppose because no one has bothered to patch mailman archive code to do so
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however - sounds like a good suggestion to add to /wiki/to-do
- [22:38:36] <tantek>
microformatted email list web archives would be a good thing
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I can take a look at doing it if you like.
- [22:41:28] <Atamido>
So, MessageID is what now?
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If you can make Message-ID into a link, e.g. http://mysite.example/search?messageid=foo@bar.baz, then use rel=bookmark to make it into a permalink. Otherwise just mark it up as e.g. <span class="uid">foo@bar.baz</span> (uid taken from hCalendar)
- [22:46:38] <Atamido>
Well, it is a link, but the link will likely change.
- [22:46:50] <Atamido>
I mean, the host will.
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tobyink I believe W3C mail archives make message-IDs into permalinks
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Allthatmalarkey edited hcard "" (+167) http://is.gd/gaws
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they don't link them in their archives, but they do have a message-id lookup tool somewhere.
- [22:49:43] <tantek>
the messages have a header for the permalink
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though i can't find the lookup tool now.
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e.g.
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Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/496E4D7D.6040605@inkedblade.net>
- [22:54:10] <tobyink>
that's the one
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it's not linked from the html archives though.
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though the message-id header itself is shown
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right
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looks like mailman is pretty easy to customise archives - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emailman-coders/mailman/2.2/annotate/head%3A/templates/en/article.html
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