IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-01-27

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  4. [00:29:28] <tfurgeson> Hi all - I was in here earlier and asked a question (sorry for repeating) but no one was around to answer. Does anyone have a good resource on how content ownership and the semantic web play together legally. I have some ideas for applications that would both generate and consume marked up data but am not sure about the legal ramifications.
  5. [00:30:09] <tfurgeson> For example if I built a toolbar that looked for hReviews and sent the name of the place and the rating back to a central DB aggregate the scores - is that legal?
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  7. [00:36:42] <georgebrock> tfurgeson: some pages explicitly specify the license of the content using the rel-license microformat - http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-license
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  10. [00:41:27] <tantek> tfurgeson, for "legally" questions, you may wish to ask an accredited legal resource.
  11. [00:42:36] <tantek> now if you're asking what's "good form", then in general respecting people's content rights works better than not, which tends to be independent/orthogonal to the format used, whether plain text, HTML, HTML+microformats, random XML etc.
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  17. [01:02:20] <tfurgeson> Thanks - I guess my question is how as a consumer of this data will we know? Are we to contact each data provider? If you take my toolbar example - would you only use contact from sites you had authorization from?
  18. [01:04:30] <tfurgeson> I find this aspect of things more confusing than the technology behind it :) (Perhaps why I'm a programmer not a lawyer).
  19. [01:06:48] <tfurgeson> The more I think about it - what makes Google legal ? :) They never got permission to cache my page...
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  28. [02:05:04] <tantek> tfurgeson, as I said, for questions of the form "what makes xyz legal?", you may wish to ask an accredited legal resource.
  29. [02:05:58] <tantek> that being said, you may find resources on "fair use" interesting.
  30. [02:16:11] <tantek> I'd recommend starting with various books by Lawrence Lessig, a law professor at Stanford, which cover the topics of law, intellectual property etc.
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  33. [02:27:36] <tfurgeson> tantek: Thanks - the fair use term has provided some good reading. I know I should really seek a lawyer, but the reality is that for what I'm thinking of doing if a lawyer was really needed I probably shouldn't be doing it.
  34. [02:28:08] <tfurgeson> I do think use of microformats and other semantic markups will lead to some interesting legal issues.
  35. [02:29:54] <tfurgeson> However, like you said, many of those same issues exist with just HTML (scraping) - although it does seem to me that the easier you make it to consume the bigger the issue gets. No one cared about MP3's when just guys on IRC traded them.
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  230. [23:52:35] <tantek> greetings folks
  231. [23:52:51] <tantek> thinking of 7pm at Crepes on Cole for a last min planned dinner
  232. [23:52:52] <tantek> in SF
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