IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-04-21

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  64. [07:47:36] <mfbot> Jfjj007 created audiotoolsfactory "New page: About Audio Tools Factory Audio Tools Factory Online is a professional developer of multimedia software on Mac and PC. It was found in 2005. We have been in the area of software for years ..." http://is.gd/tCem
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  95. [13:42:20] <to_> hi
  96. [13:44:31] <to_> here is my current xHTML markup on my website : <dl>...<dt>Phone</dt><dd>03-2161-9288</dd><dt>Fax</dt><dd>03-2161-9289</dd>...</dl> how adding hcard tel informations with this markup ?
  97. [13:47:26] <to_> http://pastie.org/453382
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  103. [14:43:52] <to_> in a hcard, I don't want to specify the email address of a contact but I'd prefer specifying a contact form page url, is it possible with hcard?
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  107. [14:45:47] <to_> any clue?
  108. [14:48:43] <singpolyma> to_: just use class="url"
  109. [14:49:54] <to_> but I'm dealing with a company and I've already have a class="url" for the company's domain
  110. [14:50:30] <singpolyma> to_: you can have as many URLs as you want :)
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  112. [14:52:14] <to_> but the most logical would have been to use the class="email" but when I do this, url's parameters are not kept when I export the vcard into AddressBook.app
  113. [14:53:18] <singpolyma> to_: How is that logical? class=email means the field is an email address... a URL to a contact form is not an email address
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  147. [18:01:45] <to_> in my existent markup, the classname 'agent' is already used, so it create a conflict with hcard... is there a workaround for this?
  148. [18:13:17] <to_> anyone?
  149. [18:18:28] <BenWard> Is the existing 'agent' within an hcard, or just elsewhere on the page?
  150. [18:22:12] <to_> within
  151. [18:23:01] <BenWard> Well, unless the element marked as 'agent' is also another hCard, parsers will ignore it
  152. [18:23:47] <BenWard> You might find a conformance checker will throw a warning, saying that it should be an hcard, but you know it isn't, so that's not a problem
  153. [18:28:03] <to_> well, on my webpage, I'm listing agents of a company, so I've got a first hcard for the company itself, and then nested hcard for each agent
  154. [18:28:56] <to_> but the problem is I used the 'agent' word before trying to implement microformats, without knowing it will conflict with uf namespace...
  155. [18:31:15] <to_> when listing my agents, I display of photo of them: <ul><li class="agent vcard"><img class="photo agent" /> and with this I've got errors when validating with a uf validator
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  158. [18:39:52] <to_> BenWard: here is a minimalist example : http://hcard.geekhood.net/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpastebin.me%2F49ee12f6eeda2%3Fframepage#result
  159. [18:40:35] <to_> trying validating : that page : http://pastebin.me/49ee12f6eeda2?framepage
  160. [18:41:15] <to_> can you see the problem?
  161. [18:41:32] <BenWard> OK. Yes, the validator will recognise the agent not being hCard, but that's not a problem, because you know why that classname gets flagged
  162. [18:41:39] <BenWard> A validator is just a tool, guidance
  163. [18:46:52] <to_> so I can consider my markup ok?
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  179. [20:59:06] <to_> what is the profile="" head's attribute for?
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  182. [21:33:02] <singpoly1a> to_: the profile attribute is a somewhat contriversial attribute that is meant to say something like "these other formats also present"... the hCard validator likes them, but they're very optional
  183. [21:38:13] <to_> singpoly1a: ohw ok, that's good to know, thx you
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  194. [23:16:05] <Hixie> what are the rules for processing microformats nested in each other?
  195. [23:16:13] <Hixie> do the properties for a microformat nested in another apply to both?
  196. [23:16:44] <Hixie> e.g. <div class="vcard"> <div class="adr"> <div class="region"> California
  197. [23:17:01] <Hixie> does that create a vcard and an adr, both of which have region=california?
  198. [23:17:24] <BenWard_> Some microformats have rules for nested formats — e.g. hCard has a rule for nesting other hCards with class='agent vcard', and hCalendar recognises hCards as class='organizer vcard'
  199. [23:17:48] <BenWard_> In that example, you would be able to parse a valid hcard and adr microformat independently
  200. [23:17:57] <BenWard_> And they would both have California, yes
  201. [23:18:03] <Hixie> ah, interesting
  202. [23:20:28] <BenWard_> As things currently stand, if you look for an hCard, matching property names from any descendent will be parsed into the object (aforementioned 'agent' parsing notwithstanding).
  203. [23:21:18] <BenWard_> The concept of making subtrees opaque to a parser, to allow more complex microformat-in-microformat nesting has been toyed around with, but doesn't seem to be a real-world problem at this point.
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