IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-05-23

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  155. [22:56:27] <Whitespace> Hey all
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  157. [22:59:17] <Whitespace> I was wondering why microformats use tags like rel and rev and not the html5 data-* tags. One aspect of everything using a rel tag is ambiguity of the text that's there, as well as multilingual usages of the rel tag. The rel tag confuses me (since it's overloaded), especially since data-foo="bar" affords many more benefits.
  158. [22:59:33] <benward> Hi Whitespace
  159. [22:59:46] <benward> Quick answers for those:
  160. [22:59:53] <Whitespace> Hello!
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  162. [23:00:50] <benward> 1. microformats predate HTML5 and are HTML4/XHTML1 compatible
  163. [23:01:27] <benward> 2. Microformats are for publishing on the web _now_, HTML5 remains draft and subject to change. Lots of people and (especially) organisations won't commit to a spec that could change without warning and create maintenance work for them
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  165. [23:02:18] <benward> 3. The data- attributes specifically are not for microformat use. The spec explicitly says that they are only for applications to use for local purposes. Specifying shared meaning for particular data-foo data-bar attributes is invalid.
  166. [23:02:34] <benward> We have a wiki page for HTML5 work-in-progress stuff: http://microformats.org/wiki/html5
  167. [23:03:02] <Whitespace> Ahh, that really clears things up :)
  168. [23:03:25] <benward> It's worth having a read of the new HTML5 ‘microdata’ section — that is _much_ closer to what we do, and depending on how things go with that very new spec, will probably have an impact on microformat vocabularies in HTML5.
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  170. [23:06:55] <Whitespace> I was also wondering about rel attribute overloading. Does <a href="foo.com" rel="bar nofollow">foo.com</a> mean I tagged it with "nofollow" or should Google ignore that link? What if someone puts a new microformat called "cat". Do all links rel=tagged with "cat" then become problematic to the cat microformat reader?
  171. [23:11:11] <Whitespace> I wonder this because I have ideas for microformat usage in the future, and was wondering about potential problems with the rel tag. (In my case, what I want to describe is exactly a relationship from the current page to the linked page, so rel is semantically perfect for what I propose to do).
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  173. [23:19:58] <hober> Disambiguation of @rel values isn't generally much of a problem, but if it concerns you, I encourage you to pick a Sufficiently Interesting (TM) term.
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