IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-06-08

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  113. [16:20:49] <mfbot> KitaitiMakoto edited hcard-ja "sync: english: 2009-06-03T21:17:41; 任意プロパティを並べ直し、どういうわけだか抜け落ちていた「agent」プロパティを追加。" (+39) http://is.gd/Tkdz
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  154. [19:29:56] <lucaa1> hello everybody,
  155. [19:29:57] <lucaa1> I've been playing around with microformats for a while and now I got to a point where I would like to infer a structure (let's say something like a RDF class) from a microformat description, for any microformat. Is there any initiative in this direction? i'm thinking about a more rigorous manner of describing a uF, something more than an XMDP
  156. [19:30:57] <singpolyma> lucaa1: You would have to determine the appropriate mappings on a uf-by-uf basis, but I don't see why it wouldn't work out :)
  157. [19:31:42] <tantek> lucaa1, what's the use case for "a more rigorous manner of describing a uF" ? without a specific use case, you may end up spending a lot of time designing hypothetical rigorousness which is unnecessary in practice.
  158. [19:34:56] <lucaa1> tantek: I'm trying to explore the idea of creating uF from RDF responses of semantic search engines. I'm thinking (although I'm not really sure it's possible nor useful) to get the responses, use an inferred rdf class build on-the-fly for any uF, and try to align the RDF response with a uF
  159. [19:35:38] <lucaa1> singpolyma: yes, I think that;s the other approach. I can use existing RDF equivalents of uFs
  160. [19:35:41] <tantek> there has been some work I believe on a microformat for marking up search engine results
  161. [19:36:17] <tantek> lucaa1 - there is no need to use "existing RDF equivalents" - just use URI of microformats properties directly as defined by XMDPs.
  162. [19:36:39] <tantek> afterall, RDF supposedly only requires URIs for terms in order for the model to "work"
  163. [19:36:53] <tantek> so don't needlessly duplicate terms
  164. [19:38:49] <tantek> lucaa1, per the microformats process ( http://microformats.org/wiki/process ) some folks have done research on search results examples to be analyzed: http://microformats.org/wiki/search-results-example
  165. [19:40:32] <lucaa1> tantek: mmh, actually I don't need to mark the result as a result, but as the thing it represents. For example, if I the result is a person (say a foaf:Person), I'd like to be able to create a hCard for that.
  166. [19:41:23] <tantek> that's a bit harder in that FOAF diverged from the much more common vCard schema. if you can figure out a mapping from FOAF to vCard properties, then mapping that to hCard is trivial.
  167. [19:41:37] <lucaa1> so, if I have all values for the uF properties (the n, fn, url, etc) I'd like to be able to automatically create the uF (nestings, wrappings) without writing this for every uF in particular
  168. [19:42:25] <singpolyma> lucaa1: that's not really possible, since uFs are vocabularies and not serialization formats :)
  169. [19:42:42] <lucaa1> still, the XMDP offers some basis for that :)
  170. [19:42:54] <lucaa1> but it's not enough, it needs some extensions
  171. [19:44:28] <singpolyma> lucaa1: what would you do if you ended up with RDF data for which there were no uF vocabulary?
  172. [19:45:37] <lucaa1> well, I could do RDFa or eRDF and still keep the semantics, or just drop the semantics. But give uF priority since they seem to be a little more useful than "raw" RDF
  173. [19:46:07] <lucaa1> eRDF might be difficult too, for the same reason, actually
  174. [19:46:44] <singpolyma> lucaa1: your best bet is really to handle things per-vocabulary. There aren't that many of them :)
  175. [19:49:15] <lucaa1> singpolyma: indeed, that's the safe approach. And it will work well, but it won't be extensible on the fly for new uFs (again, I'm not really sure that is that useful)
  176. [19:49:50] <singpolyma> lucaa1: there will be plenty of warning before any new ufs come out, and you'll have to decide if they fit your use case anyway :)
  177. [19:50:12] <singpolyma> There's no point in supporting "generic data" ... only the data your app cares about
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  179. [20:01:35] <lucaa1> singpolyma: yes, I'm aware of that. It's a good rule for real-world applications.
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  181. [20:01:52] <lucaa1> I'm just trying to explore the possibility here to see if smth can come out
  182. [20:02:44] <singpolyma> :)
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  188. [20:07:01] <lucaa1> anyway, thanks for the help, I'll see if something good can come out of this idea, and let you know if it's brilliant (don't hope too much though :P )
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