IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-06-10
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- [10:14:26] <ebel>
The microformat for geo is just for points. Is there anyway to refer to an 'area' or 'box'?
- [10:16:06] <ebel>
I'm writing something about a county in Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Waterford), area of about 1,800 km2. It seems silly to just refer to the centroid the area...
- [10:18:01] <tobyink>
There's <p class="adr"><span class="region">County Waterford</span>, <span class="country-name">Ireland</span></p> which refers to the county as a whole, but that doesn't give you any geographic co-ordinates.
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- [10:20:44] <ebel>
yeah I'd like something for the geographic co-ordinates..
- [10:22:06] <tobyink>
ebel: this is an area where RDFa can help. e.g. to mark a page as being about County Waterford, you could write <p about="" xmlns:foaf="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/" rel="foaf:primaryTopic" resource="http://sws.geonames.org/2960991/">This page is about <span class="foaf:name">County Waterford</span></p>.
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- [10:23:07] <ebel>
I went on a motorbiking holiday, and I'd like to be able to mark up "this long stretch of a road is nice" or "we went down the penninsula"
- [10:23:31] <ebel>
so for that sorta stuff, i think some sort of area thing would be nice...
- [10:24:39] <tobyink>
You can always try to be implicit - by using fewer decimal places, you suggest that you're referring to a general area rather than a specific point, though I don't know any tools that would take that hint.
- [10:25:34] <tobyink>
Andy Mabbet was (IIRC) interested in doing work on extending geo to mark up routes, areas and boundaries.
- [10:26:11] <ebel>
oh? interesting...
- [10:26:47] <tobyink>
But he was banned from the microformats.org wiki and mailing lists. (Google for it.)
- [10:27:05] <ebel>
:/
- [10:30:43] * ebel shall have to poke around the wiki and think
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- [10:51:31] <ebel>
I want to mark up some text as a vevent, but can't think of a nice way to include the dtstart, but can include the interval
- [10:51:34] <ebel>
example: http://pastebin.com/m286f116e
- [10:52:12] <ebel>
any reason why the specs say dtstart is required, as opposed to 'dtstart or interval' is required?
- [10:52:28] <ebel>
(And yes, "You're doing it wrong" is an acceptable answer :) )
- [10:53:39] <ebel>
cause ISO 8601 include stuff for time intervals.
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- [11:33:42] <tobyink>
http://pastebin.com/m6145a1d2 or http://pastebin.com/m75d87581
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- [11:58:47] <ebel>
tobyink: oh you can do that?
- [11:58:55] <ebel>
oh interesting....
- [11:59:26] <tobyink>
yes, why wouldn't you be able to?
- [12:00:07] <ebel>
I dunno... just didn't occur to me
- [12:00:24] <ebel>
I thought "the right way" was to wrap all the stuff around text
- [12:03:31] <ebel>
damn, that makes lot of stuff possible :D
- [12:03:44] <tobyink>
In an ideal world.
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- [16:14:40] <tantek>
hello Phae - good to see another London vEvent being planned
- [16:14:50] <tantek>
do you know any of the LondonWebStandards folks?
- [16:14:53] <Phae>
ah, well, john allsopp is visiting.
- [16:14:58] <Phae>
some
- [16:15:03] <Phae>
there's a HTML5 event that weekend too
- [16:15:18] <tantek>
BTW - here in SF we're putting together a party for the celebration of microformats.org's 4th birthday: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday
- [16:15:22] <Phae>
i saw!
- [16:15:52] <pseudowish>
speaking of which - it's time to get rolling on that. what
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- [16:16:27] <pseudowish>
s kevin's contact info - he was going to forward me stuff about the potential venue Varnish
- [16:16:57] <tantek>
Kevin is kevinmarks in the channel and @kevinmarks on Twitter.
- [16:17:28] <pseudowish>
cool, I'll nab him one way or another - if he's not on here now I can dm him
- [16:22:20] <tantek>
tobyink regarding geo for routes and directions, there have been lots of people working on that: http://microformats.org/wiki/directions
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- [16:24:35] <Phae>
tantek: what's this about microforamtscamp?
- [16:25:11] <tantek>
Rohit Khare suggested a couple of weeks ago to me that it's about time we did a MicroformatsCamp, for authors, designers, developers and even vocabulary geeks
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- [16:25:32] <tantek>
especially with all the new support coming out almost weekly from companies like Google, Yahoo, MySpace
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- [16:26:11] <tantek>
ebel take a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-brainstorming
- [16:26:23] <tantek>
there are a bunch of ideas/suggestions for extending geo there
- [16:27:06] <tantek>
and I'm going through those as well as http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming and drafting up proposals for hCard 1.0.1 (fixes and minor revisions) and hCard 1.1 (new properties, vCard 4 support etc.)
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- [16:27:46] <tantek>
if you want to start something regarding referring to an 'area' or a 'box', take a look at the current radius suggestion in geo-brainstorming and add more thoughts there.
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- [16:51:39] * hober could probably get up to SF for a MicroformatsCamp, so long as there's enough warning
- [17:06:39] <tantek>
hober, there seems to be some amount of consensus for July
- [17:06:43] <tantek>
for a MicroformatsCamp
- [17:06:46] <tantek>
like mid to late July
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- [17:15:57] <tantek>
hober, want to help organize?
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- [17:34:31] <hober>
sure!
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- [17:37:38] <hober>
I could head up for the weekend of 7/18 or the weekend of 7/25, I think
- [17:38:10] <hober>
hmm. 7/18 would be better
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- [17:43:38] <tantek>
hober either one of those weekends works for me
- [17:44:16] <tantek>
one question we should think about - should we make it a DevCamp similar to how the first iPhoneDevCamp was held?
- [17:44:23] <tantek>
i.e. a MicroformatsDevCamp
- [17:44:45] <tantek>
really focused on building more than abstract discussions
- [17:50:09] <hober>
I'm leaning more toward a dev camp
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- [17:50:28] <hober>
I'd like to encourage doing / kicking ass, and to discourage, err, structured data wankery.
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- [18:21:09] <tantek>
hober, let's make it a MicroformatsDevCamp then
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- [18:22:47] <Politoed>
make it in europe :P
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- [18:23:48] <tantek>
Politoed - sounds like you just volunteered to organize one in Europe ;)
- [18:24:11] <tantek>
that's how BarCamps work - if you ask for one, you just volunteered to plan one.
- [18:25:10] <tantek>
hober, I'm going to ping Chris Messina since he helped plan the first iPhoneDevCamp
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- [18:26:52] <hober>
cool
- [18:28:33] <tantek>
hi rohit
- [18:28:43] <tantek>
it was originally rohit's idea to do a microformatscamp
- [18:29:45] <tantek>
and Politoed - if you're serious about organizing a MicroformatsDevCamp in Europe, there are definitely folks here in this channel who would be able to help with questions around how to organize a *Camp in general.
- [18:32:01] <tantek>
pseudowish, go ahead and edit the wiki page for the party and list all the stuff you next to your name that you said last night you wanted to do for the party: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday
- [18:33:14] <pseudowish>
Okay for sure! Just gotta finish one thing up here then I'll do that! I'm still waiting on Dan to send me the logo .ai file - I emailed him early this AM. Hoping to get it today so I can do designs tomorrow.
- [18:33:48] <tantek>
great!
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- [18:37:12] <tantek>
appears that mfbot is gone again, I've pinged Ryan King about it.
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- [18:38:55] <rohit>
hi there - sorry IRC's been in the background
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- [18:39:46] <rohit>
Hmm. I recall going hunting for a µf logo AI file and not finding one
- [18:40:05] <rohit>
If you do hear back from Dan, perhaps we should put it on the wiki for future use
- [18:40:43] <pseudowish>
yeah, I think that would be a good idea
- [18:41:29] <pseudowish>
I'll put it up if I get one from him (or when I get it from him) - worst case scenario I could recreate it as a vector graphic from the web image
- [18:42:45] <hober>
http://remiprevost.com/images/wallpapers/microformats/mf-vector.svg
- [18:43:32] <pseudowish>
awesome that rocks!
- [18:44:01] <hober>
( linked to from http://microformats.org/wiki/spread-microformats )
- [18:44:39] <pseudowish>
hehe duh I should have looked :P
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Pseudowish edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "/* planners */ " (+413) http://is.gd/XI3p
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Tantek edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "typo" (+0) http://is.gd/XIre
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Tantek edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "MicroformatsDevCamp" (+3) http://is.gd/XIzt
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Pseudowish created User:pseudowish "New page: Lauren Scime is a web designer and developer. She is a co-founder of Object Adjective, a web design firm located in San Francisco, California. [http://objectadjective.com] Object Adjecti..." http://is.gd/XIAU
- [18:55:39] <tantek>
pseudowish - I believe you meant to create User:Pseudowish
- [18:56:05] <pseudowish>
hehe yeah I'm just getting started using wikis *blushes
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- [18:57:02] <tantek>
you'll pick them up in no time
- [18:57:18] <tantek>
before long you'll wonder how you used any other collaborative editing environment
- [18:57:27] <pseudowish>
yeah it's the creating a page that's not working out for me :P
- [18:57:53] <pseudowish>
I've used other wikis before but for some reason it doesn't like me creating a user page
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- [18:58:24] <mfbot>
Tantek edited events "microformatsDevCamp" (+635) http://is.gd/XJAI
- [18:58:37] <mfbot>
Pseudowish created User:Pseudowish "New page: Lauren Scime is a web designer and developer in San Francisco, CA. She is a co-founder of [http://objectadjective.com/] Object Adjective." http://is.gd/XIAU
- [18:58:41] <pseudowish>
okay I think I got it
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- [19:14:32] <rohit>
hi Kevin
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Kevin Marks edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "/* location */ varnish costs" (+91) http://is.gd/XM4w
- [19:14:44] <rohit>
thanks for the tweet on operational transforms in Wave :)
- [19:14:49] <mfbot>
Tantek created events/2009-07-18-dev-camp "drafted " http://is.gd/XM6j
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Tantek edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "** for a nested list item" (+0) http://is.gd/XMhn
- [19:16:55] <tantek>
hober, I put up a stub page for organizing microformatsDevCamp: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2009-07-18-dev-camp
- [19:17:07] <tantek>
feel free to braindump and expand
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GeorgeBrock edited events/2009-06-27-microformats-vevent-london "/* Attending */ Attending event and willing to help out" (+90) http://is.gd/XMv1
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- [19:21:51] <tantek>
and Upcoming event for microformatsDevCamp created also: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2888376/
- [19:24:13] <tantek>
fellow microformats 4th birthday planners - where would be a good location for next Tuesday's microformats dinner where I'm sure we'll wrap up any last minute party planning?
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Tantek edited events "move past dinner to recent, next week's dinner placeholder" (+454) http://is.gd/XNNi
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Pseudowish edited events/2009-07-18-dev-camp "/* planners */ " (+35) http://is.gd/XNVb
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Tantek edited hcard-input-examples "added upcoming.yahoo.com venue creation input form markup - simplified" (+20881) http://is.gd/XPF9
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Tantek edited hcard-input-examples "add Yelp sign up form markup - simplified" (+9345) http://is.gd/XRM0
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Tantek edited hcard-input-examples "/* Yelp */ add business form" (+1776) http://is.gd/XUyg
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Tantek edited hcard-input-examples "/* Yelp add business */ challenge - Yelp uses one input for City, State, Zip" (+691) http://is.gd/XWbd
- [20:21:33] <hober>
seems like the biggest todo is to find a venue
- [20:21:48] <tantek>
let's capture that
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EdwardOConnor edited events/2009-07-18-dev-camp "need a venue" (+33) http://is.gd/XWq9
- [20:23:24] <hober>
re: venue, I defer to the SF-local
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Tantek edited hcard-input-examples "note location info input possibility, additional see also links" (+407) http://is.gd/XWY1
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EdwardOConnor edited events/2009-07-18-dev-camp "/* todo */ +sponsors, +network, +t-shirts" (+124) http://is.gd/XXnB
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Tantek edited events/2009-07-18-dev-camp "ideas for venues" (+581) http://is.gd/XZx1
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Tantek edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "link usernames" (+32) http://is.gd/XZVM
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EdwardOConnor edited events/2009-07-18-dev-camp "/* todo */ +food" (+116) http://is.gd/Y2XR
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BenWard edited events/2009-07-18-dev-camp "/* todo */ Nested list TODO list already large and hard to consume. Broken into sections. Added note about Y! Brickhouse closure." (+149) http://is.gd/Y4ak
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Tantek edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "link microformatsDevCamp" (+31) http://is.gd/Y6kf
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Tantek edited events/2009-06-09-weekly-dinner-sf "add some notes on topics discussed, and additional attendees" (+940) http://is.gd/YgzN
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Tantek edited events/2009-06-09-weekly-dinner-sf "/* Notes */ typo" (-1) http://is.gd/YhF2
- [22:43:44] <tantek>
BenWard, you asked me last night at the dinner to remind you that container-brainstorming should show an example for hListing also, multiple hListings that all apply to the same item.
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- [23:37:51] <tantek>
BTW I'm planning on attending the WebKit Open Source Party tonight: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2422534/
- [23:38:05] <tantek>
might be a good chance to talk some folks about what it would take to get native microformats support in WebKit
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