IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-10-13
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hey mkaply, woo re new operator release. unfortunately, I can't get http://products.freebaseapps.com/view?id=/en/amethyst_aura_barbie to parse the rdfa (and i have no idea how to go about debugging)
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- [03:26:52] <Atamido>
Ooh, the Operator add-on for Firefox just got some good updating.
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- [21:09:58] <mkaply>
This isn't valid, right?
- [21:10:03] <mkaply>
<SPAN title="2010-03-03T20:3000" class="value-title dtstart">08:30pm (Wed)</SPAN>
- [21:10:10] <mkaply>
the values and value-titles have to be children of the dtstart
- [21:10:20] <singpolyma>
Right
- [21:10:39] <singpolyma>
<span class="dtstart><span class="value-title> </span> Stuff</span>
- [21:11:16] <mkaply>
that's what I thought
- [21:11:44] <mkaply>
<span class="dtstart><SPAN title="2010-03-03T20:3000" class="value-title">08:30pm (Wed)</SPAN></span> would be ok too, right?
- [21:12:18] <singpolyma>
I don't think so
- [21:12:30] <singpolyma>
I think it must contain exactly one whitespace character, according to current spec
- [21:12:35] <mkaply>
ah. ok
- [21:13:46] <mkaply>
interesting. In the example on http://microformats.org/wiki/value-excerption-value-title-test#hCal.231:_An_hCalendar_dtstart , the span is empty
- [21:14:53] <singpolyma>
Hmm. I thought that was not allowed, although there has been some mailing list discussion about that recently
- [21:15:19] <tobyink>
The original plan was for them to be empty.
- [21:15:44] <tobyink>
But someone pointed out that tidy strips out empty elements, so the plan was changed for them to contain a space character.
- [21:16:11] <tobyink>
But now someone's pointed out that tidy still strips them out.
- [21:16:30] <mkaply>
great. What was the reason for not allowing them to contain text?
- [21:16:34] <mkaply>
like my second example?
- [21:17:10] <tobyink>
To avoid the tooltip from being visible at all. (Which seems at odds with microformats visibility principles.)
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- [21:18:59] <mkaply>
do all browsers display the title of a span as the tooltip?
- [21:19:32] <tobyink>
All graphical browsers with significant market share on the desktop.
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- [21:44:52] <danbri>
why not just fix/improve tidy?
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- [21:45:54] <tobyink>
Someone has written a patch (Ben Ward?) but the fix hasn't been incorporated into the main distribution.
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- [23:36:40] <benward>
tobyink danbri mkaply: To clarify regarding value-class-pattern
- [23:37:07] <benward>
The single whitespace char/empty span thing is only for the use case where the author/publisher explicitly does not want to expose the data.
- [23:37:17] <benward>
value-title is valid with other inner text too
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- [23:38:10] <benward>
So: <span class="dtstart><SPAN title="2010-03-03T20:3000" class="value-title">08:30pm (Wed)</SPAN></span> is valid, and parses as "2010-03-03T20:3000". It will also expose a tooltip, but that is the author's perogative.
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